Australian/New Zealand, And Other Players: Linkshell Proposal

Like I said above i'm interested in this idea but wondering if this LS will be purely for diehard 7 day a week players or will it also cater to those like me who can get in 1 maybe 2 nights free time a week to play?

^ This.
If you want the the results you gotta work for it. That's it. How would fighting Tiamat, Khimaira etc do anyone any good with a gimpy tank or support? Kinda why it's called endgame. Do you need the uberest of uber gear, no. But you do need basic requirements to handle the level of mobs you're dealing with. And being on your "main" job won't happen alot, it's all about getting the job done efficiently.
My main is DRG, but to get my DRG the gear I'd like I gotta be RDM or BLM 98% of the time. This game is all about situational, if you want what you want you have to do what you dont want basically.
Endgame shuns everyone not just Aussies, if you don't want to do the hard yards or have the time to do them, enjoy the friends you've made and the game you play. Besides you can always hit the pub when FFXI pisses you off :p

In regards to a "time out" LS, having done endgame etc... yeah people really one :x

I suggest getting a free forumer built if your really plaining on doing this, going threw aforumer like this won't give you accurate data,
It will be much more accurate with your own forumer where poster are really intrested and if they just spamers you can delete them!!
Anyway thats my two cents

I'm sorry, i have a day job where i stress about ***. (*** i work in a bank, it's all i do)

I like to play games to have fun and not *** worry about not being "good" enough or having the right ***so strangers will play games with me.

Each to their own i guess.

Exactly. Some people have the time, most people don't. But I kinda thought for the Aussies that do have the time, getting together would be awsome. And for those that don't, I've met a few Aussie friends that I will always make time for
Basically, I can understand your point, just not how you chose to relay it to others.

I like the idea, on paper, but I'd never fork over the money to transfer just for a HNM shell - most hard core HNM shells need people on JP times anyways for total coverage.

Besides... so much hassle... /lazy

Being an officer of a HNMLS myself, I can understand that some sort of requirement is needed for a lot of endgame activities. And like Hitoseijuro said, most HNMLS's have even harsher requirements. My current LS is an example; You can see our rules at encores-ls.net. And no matter how much you rationalise or romanticise it, ultimately, some jobs will always be more important and vital than other jobs at endgame. As far as sea/bv2/dyna-xarc accesses go, by having them, you will be able to partake in more events and activities endgame has to offer too. So don't think of it as an requirement to join, think of it as an requirement to have some fun and being able to enjoy this game more.

That being said,

This all comes down to exact what kind of LS this will be. I'm not super clear on what Nednerb said, so I apologise if he's already covered this. Personally I would be more interested to see this LS created in a way that it can accomodate, and more importantly welcome any Australian player that wish to join, no matter how far they've progressed into this game. We can still have many endgame events to cater veteren players, while also being a nice social AU LS at the same time that houses fellow AU players who may need help with simple tasks like getting kazham airship pass.

I know this is may be too idealistic and naive of me, but if people really are going to leave their server and their existing friends behind to join this LS, then I want this LS to be more than just endgame. I want this LS to be a family, a place where any AU can come and find people to play this game with, be that either endgame like einherjar/kings/dyna/salvage, or just static leveling jobs together. And if we're actually fortunate enough to find a server with very minimal existing endgame scene, then I think this can be achived. Like Ghuda, not everyone has the time to dedicate to endgame, or the interest for it. They just want to have some friends online to play this game with so they don't have to deal with xenophobic JP's instead. And it would be pretty *** of us not to accept them because they're not endgame-ready. I mean I thought the whole point was to create an "Unofficial AU server".

Anyways sorry for, and thanks for reading that headache of a text-wall. And once again I do realise what I'm proposing is somewhat utopian and unrealistic. But what I'm primarily looking for is a LS that sees everyone as friends playing together, and not just members camping kings for items. If it's just going to purely be another HNM/endgame event/item-driven LS, then there really is no reason for me to consider leaving my server and my friends.

Just my opinion. Eitherway good luck on this project.

Oh and btw, Alexander already have 5 HNMLS's, so I really don't recommend this server lol.

You made the text wall I was too lazy to make :)

Agree'd.

Anyone live down south-east Melbourne way? We could like, have a LAN party, sticky-tape our monitors next to each other and "pretend" we're playing on the same server >.>

"Hey look man! It's serket! Let's go duo him!"
*chases after serket*
...
*dies alone*
...
"Hey, can you /shout for a raise pls?"

sorry. It's my 2nd post and I'm already derailing the topic, I learn from the best i suppose.

A point i had forgotten to mention was regarding getting up to speed with Zilart/CoP/ToAU/WoTG/Jobs/Subjobs and the like.
While i totally agree that a player needs to be up to speed with those, it would be difficult to do so thanks to work and school commitments, as well as our ever loving time-zone differences. Thanks to uni, my current playtime is less than 4 hours a week (/cry), and there's no chance ill be able to get Sea access from 2-5 for at least a month if I'm lucky.

I guess the convoluted point im trying to make is, forcing Sea/Sky/1-2 Fundamental Jobs as prerequisites is gonna exclude a few potential aussies, when the australian player-base is scarce enough as it is. Allow some leniency and you might have better numbers.

that's my 2 silver beastcoins anywhos (w00t upgrade)

P.S. since its posted on both BG and here, how many people have PM'ed you so far with serious interest?

6-7 Days a week, with weekends cut short so people can go out at night watch Footy, party etc. Like I said earlier, there will be no bias on item distribution, as its all up to the player, and how eager they are to acquire them. So if you can play 1 day a week or 7 it makes no difference, other than the fact that the people who play more will receive more amounts of Gil therefore able to spend more.

From what I can see so far about 7-10 experienced players with serious interest; by experienced I mean players who have been in a HNMLS and have notable gear. And about 7-10 others, as well as friends of both groups. I'm looking for roughly 25-30 members as a maximum to begin with. Depending on these players play times I can then decide whether I need more or less.

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I'm sorry if you think the requirements are harsh, however they are far from, I am making a full-scale HNMLS one that will be always busy. If a player can not go as far as getting something simple as missions done what does that tell me about their commitment to the LS? After all, committing to your team is what makes or breaks it, and I don't want people to fork out real money to leave their previous server and friends for a failed experience, I myself am also leaving all my friends behind. If somebody else were to propose this very same idea but allowing any player to join with no requirements, I personally would not have the confidence to make the move, how can I expect others to.

If you don't meet the requirements now, I'm not sweeping you under the rug, feel free to apply at a later stage.

The OP could have been more clear in the title and first post that this is a recruitment for an endgame LS, not a social LS. Still, the LS's nature implied loudly by the targeted actives listed, as well as by the follow up posts on what he was after.

Don't see why people should be upset at the selective-ness for membership; people in those time zones can form a more inclusive LS separately if there are enough interest, after all.

I would recommend putting such a social LS on a different server than the endgame Aussie LS, however, to avoid becoming too easy of a "stepping stone". Such an LS would not want continuously lose its multi-Lv.75 members to the endgame LS, I think.

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I find the 3-10 million gil figures for member's weekly income quite impressive. Is that realistic, from other endgamers' experience? (Just curious...)

While there are ingrates who do use social linkshells as a step-ladder to get into end game linkshells, in my experience, the nice "hardcore" players always come back to hang out with nice homely social linkshells.

We've been around on Leviathan for more than four years now, and we've lost more members through retirement rather than end-game defection hehe.

Plus, as some people mentioned, people need a channel for venting frustrations.

So if a so called AU HNMLS decided to set camp on Leviathan, I wouldn't be particularly miffed.

Server segregation sucks when on the one hand you want to go out and meet new people in your timezone, on the other hand you want to keep in contact existing friends.

If you could actually monopolize all of endgame, then it's very possible. It all depends on how much existing endgame activity there is on the server.

Server transfer just for gil/items is a failed experience for me. The people you play with is what makes the game, not the items you get...

I'd join if it was possible for me to do maybe 5 days a week instead of 6 because I have random days where I have to work into the afternoon.

Edit: Just read up abit more, nevermind.. lol.

i'd join the ls if you had this dude in it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLIIKrJ6nnI

; ; <3 fully loaded man

There is A Late night NA LS that most of the Aussies on Phoenix are in which i run, all our events run 1am EST NA which is 3pm AUEST!

Have there been any updates so far?

The list will be reduced as I examine each server thoroughly. This may take a little time, as I need to wait for HNM's to appear in JP Prime Time. When a server is selected, I will create a new thread with all the detailed information and inform all those that have sent me PM's. Since my last post SE has announced FFXIV to arrive in 2010. The Linkshell will not cease after the release of FFXIV.

Potential Servers
Caitsith
Carbuncle
Diabolos
Fairy
Garuda
Hades
Ifrit
Leviathan
Odin
Ramuh
Seraph
Sylph

Ifrit (/'.')/

You can take Odin off your list, it be full.

Just a little heads up, scanning Caitsith, Carbuncle, and Diabolos as we speak. Moving to the next 3 in a couple of days.

Caithsith, Carbuncle, and Diabolos have been ruled out. Now checking Fairy, Garuda, and Ifrit. Leviathan, Ramuh, and Seraph and Slyph will be looked upon starting next Sunday.

Looking to get things rolling at the beginning of August.

If the linkshell doesn't ooze political correctness or strict rules then there may be some interest from peoples on Valefor.

What about the people who say have some of the requirements, but have trouble getting CoP/ToAU/WoTG done due to time differences and inability to find a decent party for them. Are these people still allowed to join if they say.. host a Missions time for the LS to catch everyone up?

If Odin ever gets opened up again, you're all welcome to join us. We do Sky/Sea/Limbus/ZNM/KS99/PopNM's but we're a pretty casual linkshell, scheduled events are only saturday sunday wednesday because we like to do our own thing other nights, including going out and getting drunk.

But yeh sadly the whole Odin being closed thing doesn't help with that, I'm sure it will sooner or later though, people are starting to leave.

Don't come to Leviathan. We now seem to have around 7 NA/EU HNM LS's camping, not to mention the other 2-4 JP LS's that come to camps when able to. Yet another LS camping isn't going to be the best of ideas.

I'll certainly look into it when/if Odin server opens back up. I've been stuck on CoP 2-5 for like 6 months+

But if this EGLS will still let me in with Sky access, I'd choose there first.

do we know the server yet or nothing happening?