Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
From what I hear, 7 cents on the dollar goes to the Ugandan/South Sudan army*, 93 cents goes to IC
Kony 2012
Kony 2012
I'm not trying to support anybody here, but!
And the rest of ICs reply can be found HERE
Now if it's true etc it's not up to me!
Also:
Whether you support it or not, it's good for people to be aware of these kind of issues, they are all around us. Like Ela said, it's OUR problem, not just theirs. It's the same planet, people...
And the rest of ICs reply can be found HERE
Now if it's true etc it's not up to me!
Also:
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Re: Ugandan government human rights record
We do not defend any of the human rights abuses perpetrated by the Ugandan government or the Ugandan army (UPDF). None of the money donated through Invisible Children ever goes to the government of Uganda. Yet the only feasible and proper way to stop Kony and protect the civilians he targets is to coordinate efforts with regional governments.
We do not defend any of the human rights abuses perpetrated by the Ugandan government or the Ugandan army (UPDF). None of the money donated through Invisible Children ever goes to the government of Uganda. Yet the only feasible and proper way to stop Kony and protect the civilians he targets is to coordinate efforts with regional governments.
Whether you support it or not, it's good for people to be aware of these kind of issues, they are all around us. Like Ela said, it's OUR problem, not just theirs. It's the same planet, people...
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
This is of concern to me....
Despite weather the Kony video is accurate or not. Congress and only congress has the authority to wage war. What Panetta is saying in this video (if you don't feel like watching the whole thing) is that the administration doesn't need permission from congress to take military action. That is simply stunning, not to mention incorrect.
This whole Kony video feels very much like propaganda. I bet within a few days you will see the administration again taking unilateral action to intervene. Again without congressional permission, and probably again calling it a "kinetic military action" like they did last year with Libia.
Despite weather the Kony video is accurate or not. Congress and only congress has the authority to wage war. What Panetta is saying in this video (if you don't feel like watching the whole thing) is that the administration doesn't need permission from congress to take military action. That is simply stunning, not to mention incorrect.
This whole Kony video feels very much like propaganda. I bet within a few days you will see the administration again taking unilateral action to intervene. Again without congressional permission, and probably again calling it a "kinetic military action" like they did last year with Libia.
It's not like Obama was the first to do this, and probably won't be the last. No, it's not right to do what you want as a result of a technicality, that's for sure. I just wanted to point out that what we might call a war (armies shooting at each other) can be called all sorts of neat sounding things when you have a pile of lawyer and politicians around.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Zellc said: »
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Bahamut.Zellc said: »
read some of the post here but not all.
id like to ask a simple question: if africa's major export was crude oil, would the united states be more interested in the affairs of the afican people and/or children to ensure trade between the two countries?
id like to ask a simple question: if africa's major export was crude oil, would the united states be more interested in the affairs of the afican people and/or children to ensure trade between the two countries?
That's another thing to note.. Uganda was recently found to be an oil rich nation.
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The discovery of large reserves of oil in western Uganda ranks as one of the major developments on the East African scene in 2009.
So would American military involvement really be a boon to their nation or a means of securing more oil?
hmm very interesting.
id like to note that the us was never attacked by terrorist before the the intervention of the us in the persian gulf war. in that situation the us was protecting its interest in kuwait's oil supply.
so based off the past, the idea behind helping these countries in the future could cause similar issues in the future.
wrong.
Well it depends on semantics.
US soil definitely had terrorists attacks done on it in the past, the Revolutionary War comprised of many of the acts done by the revolutionaries.
It's what you do when you can't take an army head on.
i apologize. i didnt mean we never had terrorist attacks against us in general. what i meant was that i dont think we had terrorist attacks on the us from the middle east until our intervention in the situation with kuwait being invaded by iraq.
Not a surprise: Oh look, a campaign made to suit the tastes of a bunch of christ-fagging, tree-hugging, knuckle-draggin, hipster-pseudotards to fight for a worthy cause.
Surprise: it worked.
Surprise: it worked.
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I love how one person says US history pre WWII was good times, and another agrees with the sentiment which I interpret to be sarcastic.
In WWII about 10 million people died before the US intervened. In my opinion, this was bad. That's why I interpret the comment as sarcastic. I could be wrong.
Please quit broadcasting your ignorance after getting your news from Facebook and ffxiah.
If you didn't know who Joseph Kony was a year ago, shame on you.
If you don't recognize any of the following references and consider yourself well informed, please reconsider:
SBY
LTTE
"The Lady"
Robert Mugabe
President Hu
The AK Party
Joseph Kabila
Ratan Tata
Lula
*steps down from soapbox*
In WWII about 10 million people died before the US intervened. In my opinion, this was bad. That's why I interpret the comment as sarcastic. I could be wrong.
Please quit broadcasting your ignorance after getting your news from Facebook and ffxiah.
If you didn't know who Joseph Kony was a year ago, shame on you.
If you don't recognize any of the following references and consider yourself well informed, please reconsider:
SBY
LTTE
"The Lady"
Robert Mugabe
President Hu
The AK Party
Joseph Kabila
Ratan Tata
Lula
*steps down from soapbox*
The united states government is so messed up right now I consider this a distraction to isues that effect people directly here. Yeah just worry about kony and not the fact that child protective services takes children from extremely loving and carring parents and into a black hole of child abuse.
Zellc said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Zellc said: »
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Bahamut.Zellc said: »
read some of the post here but not all.
id like to ask a simple question: if africa's major export was crude oil, would the united states be more interested in the affairs of the afican people and/or children to ensure trade between the two countries?
id like to ask a simple question: if africa's major export was crude oil, would the united states be more interested in the affairs of the afican people and/or children to ensure trade between the two countries?
That's another thing to note.. Uganda was recently found to be an oil rich nation.
Quote:
The discovery of large reserves of oil in western Uganda ranks as one of the major developments on the East African scene in 2009.
So would American military involvement really be a boon to their nation or a means of securing more oil?
hmm very interesting.
id like to note that the us was never attacked by terrorist before the the intervention of the us in the persian gulf war. in that situation the us was protecting its interest in kuwait's oil supply.
so based off the past, the idea behind helping these countries in the future could cause similar issues in the future.
wrong.
Well it depends on semantics.
US soil definitely had terrorists attacks done on it in the past, the Revolutionary War comprised of many of the acts done by the revolutionaries.
It's what you do when you can't take an army head on.
i apologize. i didnt mean we never had terrorist attacks against us in general. what i meant was that i dont think we had terrorist attacks on the us from the middle east until our intervention in the situation with kuwait being invaded by iraq.
you need to brush up on your history then...
One question I have out of this entire thread....... What is Christ-fagging?
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
i stand by my statement, the physical united states wasnt specifically targeted by any organization in the middle east up until 1993, and that was in virginia. mind you that the persian gulf war started in 1990.
before that, soldiers, tourist and maybe some diplomats may have been killed or injured while in the middle east/asia/europe or that area of the world in acts of terror.
before that, soldiers, tourist and maybe some diplomats may have been killed or injured while in the middle east/asia/europe or that area of the world in acts of terror.
Bahamut.Zellc said: »
i stand by my statement, the physical united states wasnt specifically targeted by any organization in the middle east up until 1993, and that was in virginia. mind you that the persian gulf war started in 1990.
before that, soldiers, tourist and maybe some diplomats may have been killed or injured while in the middle east/asia/europe or that area of the world in acts of terror.
before that, soldiers, tourist and maybe some diplomats may have been killed or injured while in the middle east/asia/europe or that area of the world in acts of terror.
I'll say it again, you need to brush up on your history, aside from the fact that you just changed your statement to be less broad.
also: Embassies and bases are US soil, any attack done on/to those is an attack to/against the US.
The 80's were riddled with attacks from that region..
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So CNN covered this while on my lunch break today. After watching the CNN coverage of it, it really does seem shady.
CNN - 'Stop Kony' video goes viral
CNN - 'Stop Kony' video goes viral
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
This is of concern to me....
Despite weather the Kony video is accurate or not. Congress and only congress has the authority to wage war. What Panetta is saying in this video (if you don't feel like watching the whole thing) is that the administration doesn't need permission from congress to take military action. That is simply stunning, not to mention incorrect.
This whole Kony video feels very much like propaganda. I bet within a few days you will see the administration again taking unilateral action to intervene. Again without congressional permission, and probably again calling it a "kinetic military action" like they did last year with Libia.
Despite weather the Kony video is accurate or not. Congress and only congress has the authority to wage war. What Panetta is saying in this video (if you don't feel like watching the whole thing) is that the administration doesn't need permission from congress to take military action. That is simply stunning, not to mention incorrect.
This whole Kony video feels very much like propaganda. I bet within a few days you will see the administration again taking unilateral action to intervene. Again without congressional permission, and probably again calling it a "kinetic military action" like they did last year with Libia.
actually the president doesn't need permission to tell HIS troops to do anything, he just has to notify congress and after a period of time get their support, for short operation he doesn't need to do ***, the president cannot declare war but he can certainly wage it.
That's even abiding by the war powers resolution which every president since it was passed believes it to be unconstitutional anyway, but that isn't here nor there.
Stop spreading your delusions.
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
That's even abiding by the war powers resolution which every president since it was passed believes it to be unconstitutional anyway, but that isn't here nor there.
I'll agree that War Powers is unconstitutional. But let's be honest here, whenever law is standing in the way of executive power, that law is attacked; whenever the Constitution stands in the way of executive power, it is ignored.
We're very clearly moving away from rights and in its place is more power to the government.
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Bahamut.Cuelebra said: »
So CNN covered this while on my lunch break today. After watching the CNN coverage of it, it really does seem shady.
CNN - 'Stop Kony' video goes viral
CNN - 'Stop Kony' video goes viral
It's not really shady moreso shortsighted and heavy on emotion. Yes, Kony is a pretty despicable scrap of a human being but killing him isn't going to change the conditions on the ground in Uganda unless we decide we want to go on another nation building adventure.
Donating to many of the aid groups in Africa is a noble and worthwhile cause but the continent wont be changing until the residents decide to overthrow their oppressors. Outsiders can only play a support role.
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
That's even abiding by the war powers resolution which every president since it was passed believes it to be unconstitutional anyway, but that isn't here nor there.
I'll agree that War Powers is unconstitutional. But let's be honest here, whenever law is standing in the way of executive power, that law is attacked; whenever the Constitution stands in the way of executive power, it is ignored.
We're very clearly moving away from rights and in its place is more power to the government.
I didn't say it was, nor am I arguing for it one way or another, just pointing out the absurdities.
Your addition though is pretty funny.
Old news, and a new found sense of obligation with little to no information or context on the gravity of the situation and reality there. Silly really.
Truth is, your dollar won't see the light of day to where it deserves to be, and killing one African scumbag won't change the the reality of what goes on in said country/region. Even brutal militias have a bureaucracy of sorts. One goes down, another pops up to take his place.
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I hope this has been posted before, but if not;
Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
Still not convinced this video is manipulating you?
I apologize if my "dismantle it as thoroughly as possible before it takes off through yet another medium" approach is bothersome. Actually, nah, I'm not. '-'
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Simply, a long socioeconomic and political conflict that has lasted 25+ years and engaged multiple states and actors has been reduced to a story of the good vs bad guy. And if a three-year-old can understand it, so can you. You don’t have to learn anything about the children, Uganda, or Africa. You just have to make calls, put up flyers, sings songs, and you will liberate a poor, forgotten, and invisible people.
This approach obviously denies realities on the ground, inflates fantasies abroad, and strips Ugandans of their agency, dignity and humanity- the complexity of their story and history. The work, consequence, and impact are all focused on Uganda, but the agency, accountability, and resources lie among young American students. Clearly a dangerous imbalance of power and influence; one that can have adverse lasting effects on how and what people know of Uganda. It reduces the story of Northern Uganda, and perhaps even all of Uganda, into the dreaded single narrative of need and war, followed by western resolve and rescue.
This approach obviously denies realities on the ground, inflates fantasies abroad, and strips Ugandans of their agency, dignity and humanity- the complexity of their story and history. The work, consequence, and impact are all focused on Uganda, but the agency, accountability, and resources lie among young American students. Clearly a dangerous imbalance of power and influence; one that can have adverse lasting effects on how and what people know of Uganda. It reduces the story of Northern Uganda, and perhaps even all of Uganda, into the dreaded single narrative of need and war, followed by western resolve and rescue.
I apologize if my "dismantle it as thoroughly as possible before it takes off through yet another medium" approach is bothersome. Actually, nah, I'm not. '-'
1) I like how you edited out your racist jpeg.
2) http://invisible.tumblr.com/
I'm not the only person who feels the way I was trying to impart. THEY (thankfully) can put it in words better than I.
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From Jon Turteltaub, who directed several movies including both National Treasure films, Phenomenon and Cool Runnings "Really? Three young men who fly half way around the world to stop violence against children is something you feel the need to criticize? Three middle-class white guys risking their lives to stop a genocidal madman instead of hanging out at home and playing Angry Birds is something you feel needs to be brought down a notch? If even one person reads your article and decides not to help Invisible Children stop Joseph Kony what good have you done?"
4) Keep your racism. I'll continue to PRAY for the good men and women (even if they might be white) who feel enough to TRY to help.
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Three things bug me about this:
1) IC's financial statements.
2) IC has never been audited by an external source.
3) Kony is just one of many warlords in Africa doing the exact same thing, but yet they are only targeting one.
When the transparency is not there, I am unable to trust the company's true intentions. I know if I didn't have a conscience, I would make a non-profit organization and milk the ***out of it. In public accounting, I used to have clients that did that ***all the time. I stopped working in public accounting because I couldn't stomach the ***.
1) IC's financial statements.
2) IC has never been audited by an external source.
3) Kony is just one of many warlords in Africa doing the exact same thing, but yet they are only targeting one.
When the transparency is not there, I am unable to trust the company's true intentions. I know if I didn't have a conscience, I would make a non-profit organization and milk the ***out of it. In public accounting, I used to have clients that did that ***all the time. I stopped working in public accounting because I couldn't stomach the ***.
Pretty much how I feel, do some research before you support a cause The Invisible Children or w/e has been known to manipulate the truth.
I watched the kony 2012 video , yeah it was kinda sad, but that doesn't mean anything you have to actually look up what is fact and what isnt.
is it appropriate to j/k about this? >_> if not ill stop.......
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Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: »
is it appropriate to j/k about this? >_> if not ill stop.......
I'd say that's entirely inappropriate.
Scratch it, please.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Zellc said: »
i stand by my statement, the physical united states wasnt specifically targeted by any organization in the middle east up until 1993, and that was in virginia. mind you that the persian gulf war started in 1990.
before that, soldiers, tourist and maybe some diplomats may have been killed or injured while in the middle east/asia/europe or that area of the world in acts of terror.
before that, soldiers, tourist and maybe some diplomats may have been killed or injured while in the middle east/asia/europe or that area of the world in acts of terror.
I'll say it again, you need to brush up on your history, aside from the fact that you just changed your statement to be less broad.
also: Embassies and bases are US soil, any attack done on/to those is an attack to/against the US.
The 80's were riddled with attacks from that region..
there were attacks, but not specifically against the united states. i wasnt alive for most of the 80 so all that i remember is the stuff i learned from class about the middle east and their attacks.
i did find this source today of information and it distinctly outlines the timeline of these attacks and where they were.
all in all, my point is that if we spent more time, money and effort focusing on our issues and not diplomacy/oil, we might not have had attacks like 9-11-2001.
all the people listed in the link above were caught in the cross fire or in the wrong place at the wrong time prior to the persian gulf war. or being involved in that areas conflicts. thats all i wanted to point out with my previous statements.
sometimes we need to butt out and let them solve their own issues.
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