Guttler, Did I Just Waste My Time?
Guttler, did i just waste my time?
So I just finished Guttler, did the trials up to lvl 85 for it and in full Dex gear, about +84 in gear, im doing a solid 1.5k Onslaught and a 3.6k Ruinator (in the same Dex gear). Did i just waste my time? or is there something im missing here?
Only missing every other stat and hidden effect on the relic besides the weaponskill. No problem, really.
every other stat?
Pretty sure ruinator is a full str mod
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40 Attack on the level 99 version, highest base damage and best DPS of any Axe. Occasional (3x?) damage. You made the best mainhand Axe. Onslaught always has been and probably always will be crap due to SE's one-size-fits-all approach to relic WSs. I'm honestly surprised you're getting 1.5k out of it.
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Bahamut.Haublice said: »
every other stat?
The massive attack bonus, the above average D, the occ. deals 2.5x damage, on top of the fact that wielding Guttler doesn't stop you from using Ruinator. It's a well above average axe that still utilizes the weapon's best weaponskill. Onslaught itself raises attack by an additional 10% even, pop that then use Ruinator in the interim.
Onslaught is 60% Dex and Ruinator is 100% STR. Still think its kinda lame that the merit WS is out doing the relic one ; ;
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Welcome to relics, as that's the case for 90% of them. You don't really build a relic for the weaponskill. Enjoy the fact that you have an amazing weapon in most every facet.
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Welcome to nearly every other relic
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While there may be some merit to giving your pet AM3 in general situations, your only other option for making use of that axe is an event that wants nothing to do with BST. Something tells me that withholding TP and using an absolutely terrible WS to give your so-so damage partner a boost isn't going to ultimately be worth anything, though.
Yeah, i've generally never heard anything impressive regarding Aymur.
Probably because the only known person with one doesn't gear swap.
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Well I meant as far as mathing it out goes.
Every beast master regardless of what axes they have equipped are gonna be spamming ruinator 90% of the time. Can you start off with another relic/empy/mythic WS to put aftermath up? Sure. Chances are however that just spamming ruinator over, and over will net more damage done in total. Same as we used to spam rampage for years.
The choice to do a relic or mythic axe really comes down to do you feel the additional effects/base damage warrant Xmillions of gil to make guttler or aymur.
Vs just doing a 99 DA axe, and a 99str path. Will this option be slightly less in the damage dept than a relic/mythic plus DA offhand? One thing is for sure. Doing relic/mythic axe is not going to catapult your Bst into instant contention with heavy DD jobs.
The choice to do a relic or mythic axe really comes down to do you feel the additional effects/base damage warrant Xmillions of gil to make guttler or aymur.
Vs just doing a 99 DA axe, and a 99str path. Will this option be slightly less in the damage dept than a relic/mythic plus DA offhand? One thing is for sure. Doing relic/mythic axe is not going to catapult your Bst into instant contention with heavy DD jobs.
Well, if I were immensely involved with BST, I wouldn't hesitate to make a Guttler. It's a pretty beast axe.
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Yeah if you are serious about the job, and getting the absolute max potential out of it more power to you. The thing about Bst that should not be overlooked is while it might not put out as much DoT as a well geared well buffed heavy DD the master/pet damage totals are not too shabby nowadays. The fact that you can put out decent damage while requiring virtually no healing is underrated.
That might not be very important in VW, but possibly work well in legion.
That might not be very important in VW, but possibly work well in legion.
I'd just be happy you get Ruinator. I love that ws on my bandwagon bst and meanwhile I'm stuck using Exenterator on my favorite job.
Didn't know exenterator sucked.
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The benefits of Guttler aren't from the weaponskill Onslaught itself, but the always active effects of 2.5x damage (I think a roughly 10~15% activation rate when fully upgraded to 99?).
The Choke effect that back at lv75 was -17 VIT and 7/HP a tick with an uncomfirmed duration(to my knowledge).
And the always active Attack+ amount, which never will fail you on a job that naturally does not have a way to raise its attack(abilities/traits).
The Choke effect that back at lv75 was -17 VIT and 7/HP a tick with an uncomfirmed duration(to my knowledge).
And the always active Attack+ amount, which never will fail you on a job that naturally does not have a way to raise its attack(abilities/traits).
Aymur isn't going to be competitive with AM2 active, and as I mentioned, the only real outlet to maintain AM3 is an event where BST is really bottom of the barrel.
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Probably because the only known person with one doesn't gear swap.
right...
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Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Yeah if you are serious about the job, and getting the absolute max potential out of it more power to you. The thing about Bst that should not be overlooked is while it might not put out as much DoT as a well geared well buffed heavy DD the master/pet damage totals are not too shabby nowadays. The fact that you can put out decent damage while requiring virtually no healing is underrated.
That might not be very important in VW, but possibly work well in legion.
That might not be very important in VW, but possibly work well in legion.
Any comparisons of just the master dd compared w/ a "heavy" dd to know where they fall? Frankly I've not been able to find any comparison. I don't think there has ever been a good one. That would at least give a base point for how much damage the pet would need to make up. I am not at all certain that BST doesn't already compare w/ "heavy" DD's. I think Ruinator was the last thing bst needed to be more competitive.
As far as AM3 on Aymur goes... Its quite a large boost. Looks like a 33% DA rate and 16% TA rate for both pet and master's main hand weapon. I normally hit ~1200 on my Primal Rends. 99 aymur should boost those up to ~1500~1600 damage. Ruinator will spike up to maybe 4k (I've only spiked to 3.8 in normal situations) but the average damage is not that high. I don't have parses for an average in my ruinators, but I would guess 2600. I DO think the AM3 (lasts 120s) can make up that damage.
That is the largest single boost... but don't forget the other nice perks. If you have aymur & ferine hands +2 then almost all your ready moves will go for 300% TP (100 boost from aymur, 50 boost from hands, 45 boost from fencer on war-type pets).
Its also the largest Attack boost you can get on your pet.
BST is far from competitive against anything higher than an EP. Pet output, while astronomically better than it used to be, is still pretty abysmal. It's conceivable that AM3 could be worthwhile for BST in more situations than it is for other jobs, but it's far from a given.
Without an in-depth comparison, I'd wager that Guttler is still better.
Without an in-depth comparison, I'd wager that Guttler is still better.
Sylph.Kimble said: »
Yeah, i've generally never heard anything impressive regarding Aymur.
Someone actually tested the 3 axes out on the test server and it actually comes ahead pretty solid.
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