I don't even care that Christie had flags lowered for Whitney because at the end of the day she was a pioneer in her craft and had an amazing talent worthy of praise.
Though her demise is one that has been told countless times it doesn't mean we should have just ignored her life and what it meant to the African-American community. Her success was a rarity that many aspired to especially when you're surrounded on all ends by poverty.
What is shameful is our treatment of the men and women who did go over to Iraq/Afghanistan only to be thrown back here without even a thanks. I have never agreed with the invasion of Iraq but I can respect the people who went over there to do the job they were ordered to do. While many of them may hold views contrary to my own and still others may be completely terrible we the people haven't even given these men and women a parade or some coverage on the news to show that we appreciate what they did. At best you see a couple people get used by a pol to score some political points.
We have spoken through our actions. The conclusion of Iraq was summed as "yeah, Obama brings the troops home, 10 years, X dead and uh... now to Sal with sports!"
Probably Still A Sensitive Subject..
Probably still a sensitive subject..
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
I don't even care that Christie had flags lowered for Whitney because at the end of the day she was a pioneer in her craft and had an amazing talent worthy of praise.
Though her demise is one that has been told countless times it doesn't mean we should have just ignored her life and what it meant to the African-American community. Her success was a rarity that many aspired to especially when you're surrounded on all ends by poverty.
What is shameful is our treatment of the men and women who did go over to Iraq/Afghanistan only to be thrown back here without even a thanks. I have never agreed with the invasion of Iraq but I can respect the people who went over there to do the job they were ordered to do. While many of them may hold views contrary to my own and still others may be completely terrible we the people haven't even given these men and women a parade or some coverage on the news to show that we appreciate what they did. At best you see a couple people get used by a pol to score some political points.
We have spoken through our actions. The conclusion of Iraq was summed as "yeah, Obama brings the troops home, 10 years, X dead and uh... now to Sal with sports!"
Though her demise is one that has been told countless times it doesn't mean we should have just ignored her life and what it meant to the African-American community. Her success was a rarity that many aspired to especially when you're surrounded on all ends by poverty.
What is shameful is our treatment of the men and women who did go over to Iraq/Afghanistan only to be thrown back here without even a thanks. I have never agreed with the invasion of Iraq but I can respect the people who went over there to do the job they were ordered to do. While many of them may hold views contrary to my own and still others may be completely terrible we the people haven't even given these men and women a parade or some coverage on the news to show that we appreciate what they did. At best you see a couple people get used by a pol to score some political points.
We have spoken through our actions. The conclusion of Iraq was summed as "yeah, Obama brings the troops home, 10 years, X dead and uh... now to Sal with sports!"
I'll agree 100%
iirc from history wasn't the treatment of Nam vets worse until years later?
why don't we learn from our mistakes? (this can be said for most of modern politics...)
I just never knew Whitney was in the military.
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Cerberus.Neojuggernaut said: »
Watch this, it's country but whatever it's true...and sad!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqmvdQlciNc
"Celebrity" - Brad Paisley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqmvdQlciNc
"Celebrity" - Brad Paisley
/highfive
AHHH!!! Wait until I tell Uri, Hev, and Vyre that there's another one!!! =)
Odin.Liela said: »
As for Whitney Houston. She was a good singer, back in the day. And then she was so drugged-up that she couldn't even take a bath. And now she's dead. K. No one actually cares. When was the last time before her death that you heard anyone mention her, remember her, say they were a fan? Oh yeah, never. But now that she's dead, people are so, so sad. Feigning sorrow is a good way to get attention, I'm afraid, and people like attention. But everyone most people who are so, so sad today aren't even going to remember that she's dead in a week or two. Flying the flags at half-mast for some woman who was so knocked out on drugs that she couldn't even do the one thing she was famous for to begin with anymore is ridiculous and cheapens the gesture, in my opinion.
Oh sweet Jeebus! Thank you, Leila!
Also, *** it! Maybe we should retroactively fly flags half-massed for Elvis Presley, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison...Let's see...Who else? Who else? I mean, they were all drug swilling, alcoholic, "pioneers" of their craft. I'd say they contributed more than le 80's teen-queen gone bad.
EDIT: What about Jackson Pollock? His death had to suck, right? Nobody wants their corpse to end up looking like a Pollock painting.
/cringe
EDIT: What about Jackson Pollock? His death had to suck, right? Nobody wants their corpse to end up looking like a Pollock painting.
/cringe
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I feel its apart of the propaganda machine. If every state flew their flags half staff for a soldier that lived in that state, and died in combat. Everyone would be more aware of how terrible it is, I'm pretty sure there would be a lot less support for irrational wars. As for the father burning the state flag, good for him that's his freedom of expression. lolJersey.
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Lets do Iran next!
within 10 years unless the entire govt/religious hierarchy is taken down by civil war.
Wow....i was deployed with Burri in '05. This is the last place i would have thought i would ever see his name mentioned. The world is a funny place i suppose.
mostly everythings been covered already but,
to compare whitney houston to a fallen soldier is ludicris
to say that soldiers will blindly follow orders is aslo a little naive. just as a random example, a contigency of the utah national gaurd was called up to help with the aftermath of katrina, when told they may have to disarm US citizens, they basically said *** that. I'm sure there are better examples, & some people who were actually soldiers will tell you the same thing I'm sure.
It just chaps my *** when people bash on the people on the ground instead of the policy makers. it's ***
ok, I'm done ^.^b
to compare whitney houston to a fallen soldier is ludicris
to say that soldiers will blindly follow orders is aslo a little naive. just as a random example, a contigency of the utah national gaurd was called up to help with the aftermath of katrina, when told they may have to disarm US citizens, they basically said *** that. I'm sure there are better examples, & some people who were actually soldiers will tell you the same thing I'm sure.
It just chaps my *** when people bash on the people on the ground instead of the policy makers. it's ***
ok, I'm done ^.^b
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I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with anyone, but I figured I'd mention a few things:
I can't recall those incidents receiving as much attention as Houston's, though they still did receive some negative feedback for most of the same reasons many of y'all have expressed. Just makes it seem more that the underlying issue here that angers people more is not that a governor chose to fly flags at half-staff for a non-armed-forces person/non-principal-figure-of-the-government (which are the two mentioned personnel 'types' according to the Flag Code) but that it was for Houston herself, along with her history of substance abuse. I mean, seeing as his son passed in 2005, did the father do the same for those three incidents as well?
And I'm not sure what it says about Gov. Christie, but he has (in his defense) honored every fallen soldier, police officer, etc. from his state during his administration, the same way he has chosen to do so for Houston. That, though, plays no part in me saying whether he was right or wrong for doing so in regards to Houston.
June of last year, Gov. Christie did the same for Clarence Clemons, for similar reasons as W.Houston.(linky)
This past January, Gov. Corbett of PA ordered flags to be flown at half-staff for Coach Paterno. [even with the scandal that surrounded him towards the end of his life](linky)
In June of 2008, the mayor of Buffalo ordered the flags city-wide to be flown at half-staff for news journalist Tim Russert.
I can't recall those incidents receiving as much attention as Houston's, though they still did receive some negative feedback for most of the same reasons many of y'all have expressed. Just makes it seem more that the underlying issue here that angers people more is not that a governor chose to fly flags at half-staff for a non-armed-forces person/non-principal-figure-of-the-government (which are the two mentioned personnel 'types' according to the Flag Code) but that it was for Houston herself, along with her history of substance abuse. I mean, seeing as his son passed in 2005, did the father do the same for those three incidents as well?
And I'm not sure what it says about Gov. Christie, but he has (in his defense) honored every fallen soldier, police officer, etc. from his state during his administration, the same way he has chosen to do so for Houston. That, though, plays no part in me saying whether he was right or wrong for doing so in regards to Houston.
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People who "do it for their country" shouldn't have to give a *** about recognition, really. If they're doing it for attention/glory, on the other hand, then yea, they have the right to be upset here.
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Feel like everything that needs to be said has been... except
I got nothing against Whitney Houston I'm sure shes a nice person at heart/ect but whoever thought it would be a good idea to do the flags for her needs to look for a new job, me thinks.
patriot's and solders seem to be forgotten and disregarded a lot and I'm sorta sick of it.
patriot's and solders seem to be forgotten and disregarded a lot and I'm sorta sick of it.
While i agree its unfortunate that soldiers don't always get the same recognition that some celebs receive when they die.That said,Whitney Houston's music touched a lot of people and if someone or a city flies the flag at half mast for her...why hate or complain? At the end of the day she was a person,friend,daughter,and a mother. Did she have issues? yea but that is not the point and none of our business. The only thing that matters is she is gone and her friends and family are grieving.
Like i said,soldiers deserve way more recognition than they get. They should be treated with much more respect BEFORE and AFTER they die.That said,people are spending way too much energy crying and belly aching about what they did for Whitney Houston. That energy could be better spent trying to get the same treatment for all soldiers and every day people in general.
People worry about when people get "special treatment" way too much. Stop hating on what others get and either mind your own business and stop being jealous OR try and get equal treatment for everyone.
If the man wanted to do something positive he could have tried to work towards getting the same treatment for all soldiers or hell everyday people so no one is left out.That is too much like doing the right thing though,he just chose to have a tantrum like a child and burn a flag.
Like i said,soldiers deserve way more recognition than they get. They should be treated with much more respect BEFORE and AFTER they die.That said,people are spending way too much energy crying and belly aching about what they did for Whitney Houston. That energy could be better spent trying to get the same treatment for all soldiers and every day people in general.
People worry about when people get "special treatment" way too much. Stop hating on what others get and either mind your own business and stop being jealous OR try and get equal treatment for everyone.
If the man wanted to do something positive he could have tried to work towards getting the same treatment for all soldiers or hell everyday people so no one is left out.That is too much like doing the right thing though,he just chose to have a tantrum like a child and burn a flag.
Leviathan.Yogurt said: »
I feel its apart of the propaganda machine. If every state flew their flags half staff for a soldier that lived in that state, and died in combat. Everyone would be more aware of how terrible it is, I'm pretty sure there would be a lot less support for irrational wars. As for the father burning the state flag, good for him that's his freedom of expression. lolJersey.
People would be more aware of the horrors of war if our media had the balls to show dead bodies, gore, blood and genuinely shocking images of what is going on in certain parts of the world.
See, its one thing to say that some soldiers died by a roadside bomb or that civilians were taken out by a predator drone but it's another thing entirely to see the splattered remains of a person strewn about the pavement.
No one wants to see it but it must be seen. We're just fooling ourselves when we turn people into numbers and deaths into 'casualties'.
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Leviathan.Baeshin said: »
While i agree its unfortunate that soldiers don't always get the same recognition that some celebs receive when they die.That said,Whitney Houston's music touched a lot of people and if someone or a city flies the flag at half mast for her...why hate or complain? At the end of the day she was a person,friend,daughter,and a mother. Did she have issues? yea but that is not the point and none of our business. The only thing that matters is she is gone and her friends and family are grieving.
Like i said,soldiers deserve way more recognition than they get. They should be treated with much more respect BEFORE and AFTER they die.That said,people are spending way too much energy crying and belly aching about what they did for Whitney Houston. That energy could be better spent trying to get the same treatment for all soldiers and every day people in general.
People worry about when people get "special treatment" way too much. Stop hating on what others get and either mind your own business and stop being jealous OR try and get equal treatment for everyone.
If the man wanted to do something positive he could have tried to work towards getting the same treatment for all soldiers or hell everyday people so no one is left out.That is too much like doing the right thing though,he just chose to have a tantrum like a child and burn a flag.
Like i said,soldiers deserve way more recognition than they get. They should be treated with much more respect BEFORE and AFTER they die.That said,people are spending way too much energy crying and belly aching about what they did for Whitney Houston. That energy could be better spent trying to get the same treatment for all soldiers and every day people in general.
People worry about when people get "special treatment" way too much. Stop hating on what others get and either mind your own business and stop being jealous OR try and get equal treatment for everyone.
If the man wanted to do something positive he could have tried to work towards getting the same treatment for all soldiers or hell everyday people so no one is left out.That is too much like doing the right thing though,he just chose to have a tantrum like a child and burn a flag.
I would agree with you, but there are iconic, American artists who are more deserving of respect and adulation, and have contributed more. Just saying...
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I don't agree as i think everyone deserves respect
Leviathan.Baeshin said: »
While i agree its unfortunate that soldiers don't always get the same recognition that some celebs receive when they die.That said,Whitney Houston's music touched a lot of people and if someone or a city flies the flag at half mast for her...why hate or complain? At the end of the day she was a person,friend,daughter,and a mother. Did she have issues? yea but that is not the point and none of our business. The only thing that matters is she is gone and her friends and family are grieving.
Like i said,soldiers deserve way more recognition than they get. They should be treated with much more respect BEFORE and AFTER they die.That said,people are spending way too much energy crying and belly aching about what they did for Whitney Houston. That energy could be better spent trying to get the same treatment for all soldiers and every day people in general.
People worry about when people get "special treatment" way too much. Stop hating on what others get and either mind your own business and stop being jealous OR try and get equal treatment for everyone.
If the man wanted to do something positive he could have tried to work towards getting the same treatment for all soldiers or hell everyday people so no one is left out.That is too much like doing the right thing though,he just chose to have a tantrum like a child and burn a flag.
Like i said,soldiers deserve way more recognition than they get. They should be treated with much more respect BEFORE and AFTER they die.That said,people are spending way too much energy crying and belly aching about what they did for Whitney Houston. That energy could be better spent trying to get the same treatment for all soldiers and every day people in general.
People worry about when people get "special treatment" way too much. Stop hating on what others get and either mind your own business and stop being jealous OR try and get equal treatment for everyone.
If the man wanted to do something positive he could have tried to work towards getting the same treatment for all soldiers or hell everyday people so no one is left out.That is too much like doing the right thing though,he just chose to have a tantrum like a child and burn a flag.
Oh, this is America, you must be new here. Let me be the first to welcome you.
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i dont see the point in this flag thing for anyone tbh
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I feel a "respect is earned" versus "everyone deserves respect" debate coming...
I don't think any death deserves anything D: it happens
a lot
a lot
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On a legal note...
Lowering the state flag. No discussion needed. He's the "boss of New Jersey." Completely within his powers as Governor to lower NJ flag half mast.
Now, the US flag on the other hand I'm a bit confused about. CBS News is reported it was Gov. Christie's power to lower US Flag. However, United States Code 175(M) for Patriotic Customs would have only allowed Christie to half-mast US Flag with Obama's authority. So i'm a bit confused with the US flag portion.
On an ethical note... it is Black History Month. Whitney Houston did open the doors for numerous African-American musicians to enter mainstream media. It really is unfair to pigeon-hole the women solely as a drug-addict. So like i said before, the NJ flag- I'm totally supportive of that. US flag im kinda "iffy" particularly in regards to US Code 175M.
Lowering the state flag. No discussion needed. He's the "boss of New Jersey." Completely within his powers as Governor to lower NJ flag half mast.
Now, the US flag on the other hand I'm a bit confused about. CBS News is reported it was Gov. Christie's power to lower US Flag. However, United States Code 175(M) for Patriotic Customs would have only allowed Christie to half-mast US Flag with Obama's authority. So i'm a bit confused with the US flag portion.
On an ethical note... it is Black History Month. Whitney Houston did open the doors for numerous African-American musicians to enter mainstream media. It really is unfair to pigeon-hole the women solely as a drug-addict. So like i said before, the NJ flag- I'm totally supportive of that. US flag im kinda "iffy" particularly in regards to US Code 175M.
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