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 Ramuh.Urial
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By Ramuh.Urial 2012-02-10 16:31:13
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Comm typically yeah. HR erm that's iffy. Usually those are all taught at liberal arts Universities though.

You're still a jerkface.
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By mortontony1 2012-02-10 16:31:59
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Bahamut.Krizz said: »
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I totally understand where he's coming from and stuff, but some of the stuff is kinda ridiculous. Making your daughter make your bed? That's just kinda lazy and sad. Probably an exaggeration on her part, but even the wildest exaggerations have moments of truth. I agree with him on like 95% of this ***though. Disrespectful, ungrateful, little ***.
He states that she only has to make her own bed daily and the guest bed like once a month.

Wow. I let him finish her letter and I just couldn't keep going.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-02-10 16:32:09
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
I'm an lolEnglish major, myself.

When I started college, I was a LOLHistory/German major. :/ I changed majors though. Uri is carrying my torch now. Leila was an LOLEnglish major too.
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-02-10 16:33:22
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I was never rebellious. i mean yes i had the days of "Gah i dont want to take out the trash and do the dishes" (i just wanted to play games) but i did it anyways. and i never got paid. theres nothing wrong with doing your own part to keep a clean living area

my mom worked so there was no stay at home mom crap. we had to clean it ourselves and it was fine.

also i got a job as soon as i was 16. granted it was 4hours a day after school 3 days a week. so it wasnt much. but it was enough to pay for movies on the weekend and any other fun stuff i did with friends.

Also my favorite part about this whole thing. was when the dad said it was addressed to the parents who were blocked from being able to see it....LMAO xD

also i was in JROTC so that took up my time as well. which is why i had short working hours. 12-15 hours a week is what i normally worked
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By Artemicion 2012-02-10 16:33:36
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The older and older I get, the less I agree. College is great for expanding the mind – if it's put to use in such a way, and considering most my peers, it's not. It's a means to a job by amassing massive debt lately. These days, I'd honestly encourage kids to bolster their own critical thought, find their passion, and create something new. It's really only the heavy, heavy things that require a college degree, like becoming a doctor, engineer or scientist. Most other things, natural talent can get your foot in the door, especially with the internet and so many tech savvy folks willing to spread their knowledge.

Fact is without a college degree you're going to be passed over regardless of how much natural talent you have. Unless you plan to leap out of HS into an entrepreneurial venture, you should at the least consider some college education.

The degree shows you can commit to something. Doesn't mean blow all of your family savings on it either.

The best combination is networking coupled with your degree in hand for people to take you seriously. Obviously it's great if someone can pull you aboard a job but without the degree by yourself? It's a recipe for trouble, no matter how much people try to exclaim that bachelor degrees are "worthless" now.

Indeed, unless you work for a non-profit organization, businesses will need something concrete and documented to prove your worth regardless of your initial talent which can only be vouched for and depended on so far as opposed to those that equally qualify and have the years of experience and degrees under their belt.
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2012-02-10 16:34:02
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There's a reason I'm not currently planning to go beyond an associates. I got where I'm at now via networking, and college won't teach me much that will directly impact my skills in my field. I'm only going to do it for those stubborn companies that don't provide flexibility in their pay scales (like Lockheed Martin).
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2012-02-10 16:34:30
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Everyone has a rebellious stage in life and a time where you hate your parents and fail to fathom whatever they're doing is in your best interest.

Never had that stage myself

Me either.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-02-10 16:35:31
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Ramuh.Urial said: »
Comm typically yeah. HR erm that's iffy. Usually those are all taught at liberal arts Universities though.

You're still a jerkface.

Nuh-Uh! You are the jerkface, sir! You are!
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-02-10 16:36:56
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Luckily where i work is allowing me to climb without any type of college. since i learn all i need in the field and during the training that they pay for. im lucky and i know it. but its also because unlike anyone else that they hire (who range from just HS grads, College grads and CLS) im the only one who can learn/perform my duties by myself. which is why im now a supervisor at 22.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-02-10 16:37:21
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
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The older and older I get, the less I agree. College is great for expanding the mind – if it's put to use in such a way, and considering most my peers, it's not. It's a means to a job by amassing massive debt lately. These days, I'd honestly encourage kids to bolster their own critical thought, find their passion, and create something new. It's really only the heavy, heavy things that require a college degree, like becoming a doctor, engineer or scientist. Most other things, natural talent can get your foot in the door, especially with the internet and so many tech savvy folks willing to spread their knowledge.

Fact is without a college degree you're going to be passed over regardless of how much natural talent you have. Unless you plan to leap out of HS into an entrepreneurial venture, you should at the least consider some college education.

The degree shows you can commit to something. Doesn't mean blow all of your family savings on it either.

The best combination is networking coupled with your degree in hand for people to take you seriously. Obviously it's great if someone can pull you aboard a job but without the degree by yourself? It's a recipe for trouble, no matter how much people try to exclaim that bachelor degrees are "worthless" now.
Completely contextual, and entirely subjective based on the above "passion" I mentioned.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-02-10 16:41:46
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Totally on board with you! LOL Communications, Human Resource, Hospitality, Sports Management, Philosophy majors...Hold on...I think I can think of some more money-down-the-toilet majors...LOL!

Some may disagree but I think my philosophy degree has taught me how to think critically. ;p
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2012-02-10 16:42:37
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Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Luckily where i work is allowing me to climb without any type of college. since i learn all i need in the field and during the training that they pay for. im lucky and i know it. but its also because unlike anyone else that they hire (who range from just HS grads, College grads and CLS) im the only one who can learn/perform my duties by myself. which is why im now a supervisor at 22.

This is the situation I am in. I have surpassed the level in my company that are entry positions with a bachelor's degree. I have already made back the money I would have paid for college 4-fold.

However, a degree is not necessarily a bad thing. I do wish more people would take advantage of work-study and technical school programs. A lot of jobs people are getting degrees for now they could be easily trained for in a tech school program in less than half the time by cutting out the crap core requirements and focusing on a field of study.

Idk, that's just the opinion from an old guy.

On-topic to the OP, I agree with the dad. He warned her months earlier that he would do it.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-02-10 16:45:44
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Also college isn't just about the degree. It's one avenue for teaching yourself how to act as an adult, learning how to take care of yourself, and showing that you did those things with some degree of competency.

Few jobs care if you remember your sophomore year history class's second chapter. They do care that you've shown you can make it through higher level academia because it shows you can apply yourself to a task.
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2012-02-10 16:47:37
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Also college isn't just about the degree. It's one avenue for teaching yourself how to act as an adult, learning how to take care of yourself, and showing that you did those things with some degree of competency.

Few jobs care if you remember your sophomore year history class's second chapter. They do care that you've shown you can make it through higher level academia.

But to what end? To say "Hey, this guy just spent a load of Daddy's money to slip by in college!"

Why not cut the crap and get it over with. The college program is over-rated.
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By Odin.Gosuapple 2012-02-10 16:50:38
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Totally on board with you! LOL Communications, Human Resource, Hospitality, Sports Management, Philosophy majors...Hold on...I think I can think of some more money-down-the-toilet majors...LOL!

Some may disagree but I think my philosophy degree has taught me how to think critically. ;p

Now is "some" being used as a euphemism for the entire job market in this case?
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-02-10 16:51:48
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I learned an awful lot more in college than I did in high school, and well beyond just course material.

I guess it depends on what you make of college, if you barely go to class and get a 2.2 gpa, you deserve to get a 2.2 job until you can show through other measures you're up for acting like an adult.

In any event I don't think learning for leanings sake makes anyone a worse person.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-02-10 16:52:48
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Odin.Gosuapple said: »
Cerberus.Eugene said: »
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Totally on board with you! LOL Communications, Human Resource, Hospitality, Sports Management, Philosophy majors...Hold on...I think I can think of some more money-down-the-toilet majors...LOL!

Some may disagree but I think my philosophy degree has taught me how to think critically. ;p

Now is "some" being used as a euphemism for the entire job market in this case?

I honestly don't think that the job market cares even the slightest either way about my philosophy degree at this time. My GPA matters somewhat.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-02-10 16:53:12
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Overrated it may be but it's overall safer to have the degree and be able to shift gears if a current job falls through. Better to spend the 4 years out of HS knocking it out than having to rush back at an older age where you may/may not have more responsibility.

I've got a cousin who did no college, got a job working for an airline outta HS yet they were the ones that encouraged him to do college if he wanted to go anywhere within the organization.

He ended up getting laid off and if he didn't get that degree he'd have been forced to go back to college at 28. At that age after being out of school so long it can be extremely difficult getting back into that vibe for some.
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By Odin.Liela 2012-02-10 16:57:03
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
I'm an lolEnglish major, myself.

Me too. Well, graduated with an lolEnglish degree, now. I wanted to be a librarian. Guess what buildings absolutely do NOT new people working for them? Oh yeah that's right-- libraries. xD Libraries are a dying breed anyhow because books are read on things such as Kindles. Damn you, Kindle! You don't even smell like a book! And librarians never retire so new ones aren't needed. Ever.

Anyhow, I think the girl proved that she was not responsible enough to have a laptop, so I agree that the father had every right as a parent to take the laptop away. Shooting it several times was fine by me too, as it seemed to drive home the point that disrespecting your parents has actual consequences.

The girl did not have to make everyone else's bed, as someone else commented on. She had to make her own bed, and sometimes the guest bed. All her chores were normal chores that most teenagers have. And the fact that she had the gall to refer to a family friend as a 'cleaning lady' just goes to show what a selfish, spoiled brat she is.

The only issue (besides temper tantrums) that I can see coming from this is problems doing her homework because so many schools require online work. Well damn kid, I guess you have to actually go to a library now. If more parents were like that guy and more kids had to go to the library, I might have a job. xD
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2012-02-10 16:57:32
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
I guess it depends on what you make of college
I agree with this 100%
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In any event I don't think learning for leanings sake makes anyone a worse person.
Now, I am not knocking learning for learning's sake. And, I am not saying in all cases its bad for people to have a broad study in college. However, I think its ridiculous for someone who wants to be an engineer, like the kind that sits in an office and designs bridges for example, to be forced to sit through Chapter 2 of that world history class. It is a huge waste of time and a huge waste of someone's (be it his, his parents, the government, or whatever scholarship he is on) money for something that will benefit him none at all in his job, sitting in an office designing bridges. College is a racket that requires you to take almost 2 full years (and drop a lot of money) on classes that do not benefit you at all.

Like I say, that's just my opinion.
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By Odin.Gosuapple 2012-02-10 16:58:14
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Odin.Gosuapple said: »
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Totally on board with you! LOL Communications, Human Resource, Hospitality, Sports Management, Philosophy majors...Hold on...I think I can think of some more money-down-the-toilet majors...LOL!

Some may disagree but I think my philosophy degree has taught me how to think critically. ;p

Now is "some" being used as a euphemism for the entire job market in this case?

I honestly don't think that the job market cares even the slightest either way about my philosophy degree at this time. My GPA matters somewhat.
That's fine, in some ways even commendable. However, if you graduate and you're only able to find a job making $30k a year or no job at all you don't get to complain about it. You made your choices and they have consequences.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-02-10 17:00:54
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I graduated already, several years back. Any application process I've been through thus far for a job hasn't worried about my previous major beyond asking a few questions in interviews. Granted my situation is somewhat uncommon, but I certainly don't think you're doomed to a lifetime of failure with a liberal arts degree.

It might take you a little longer to get the job you want.
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By Odin.Gosuapple 2012-02-10 17:02:47
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If I read that right you're still looking for a job as you've not been able to find one yet. You don't see the link between that and your major? You know how many actuaries can't find work? Like none of them.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-02-10 17:04:06
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I am not currently looking for a job. However, like I said, my situation isn't quite normal.
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By Odin.Gosuapple 2012-02-10 17:04:45
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Ah, I misunderstood then.
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2012-02-10 17:06:17
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Odin.Liela said: »
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Me too. Well, graduated with an lolEnglish degree, now. I wanted to be a librarian. Guess what buildings absolutely do NOT new people working for them? Oh yeah that's right-- libraries. xD Libraries are a dying breed anyhow because books are read on things such as Kindles. Damn you, Kindle! You don't even smell like a book! And librarians never retire so new ones aren't needed. Ever.

I still read real books, Leila. Damn those electronic devil devices! Down with them I say!
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-02-10 17:07:23
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I think books are nice. I like the way paper looks over screens.
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2012-02-10 17:08:26
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
I think books are nice. I like the way paper looks over screens.

Same, I like the feel of the pages between my fingers. My wife says I am weird.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-02-10 17:10:07
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Audiobooks <3
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-02-10 17:16:23
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Bismarck.Nevill said: »
Cerberus.Eugene said: »
I think books are nice. I like the way paper looks over screens.

Same, I like the feel of the pages between my fingers. My wife says I am weird.
That's probably a learned part of your immersion process. By removing it, attention gets called to it, hurting immersion slightly.
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