Oh Canada!

Search the author and look at her other research and tell me she isn't bias... made me lulz.

i understand what the op is saying by there being a violent nature to spanking, but that still doesnt make constructive spanking wrong. though all his arguments seem centric around the spoon fed idea that all spanking is wrong nowadays, and with articles like the one he posted whos to blame him?

but tell me something OP. a child does something wrong, lets say running in a busy kitchen after being repeatedly told not too. you constantly put this child in time out but it never works. the child only remembers that he can do something wrong without any real consequences. on the other hand you pop said child on the butt a few times for repeating the same mistake after being told not to, and this time it sticks. the child no longer runs in a busy kitchen. where is the harm in this?

What??? if you don't punish them metally or physically; how would one decipline? Seems like everything would fall under those two catagories.

Fact of the matter is: Some kids need there tails whooped and some don't. This "violence begets more violence" is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. Not because its not an overall truth, but because in the context of parenting it just does not work that way.

And I still don't think some people know the difference between child abuse and a spanking/whooping. I think this is the same reason schools are so shitty now. Parents babying their children to the point that they blame the teacher for their childs stupidity. Or blaming video games because they want to shoot up the school. But I digress.

In conclusion: Whoopins for those who deserve and a firm talking to for those who don't.

all spanking is violence, maybe not your definition of it but it is still violence.


no my argument is that spanking is wrong whether it can be constructive or not it's side effects far outweigh the benefits.

the fault in your hypothetical is derived from the parents lack of ability to parent on many levels, resorting to violence to get your point across...is not good.



the logical fallacy aside, your stating that spanking is out of frustration? do you not see the fault in this?

whether or not it works is again not the discussion here, fear and dominance are great tools of oppression this has been proven. What's also been proven is that it's a negative impact on a child's development.

you can punish somebody without hurting them.

it's the biggest load you've heard because it does not comply with your view, but it is definitely true.

again there's not much of a difference: only in severity. in all cases of a "whoopin" it's severe child abuse.

I was much happier with this thread on the note I passed out on. At least it was getting somewhere.

Chill

On topic, I think spanking has it's benefits...obviously I feel there's a line to be drawn...but would you rather have children go out in public and act like spoiled rotten brats (like half of them do now) or would you rather them be all proper in public?

I know plenty of people who were "spanked" that have grown up to be intelligent and sociable...Idk...to each their own opinions.

And if those punishments fail? Some children do not respond to the mental punishments of resources being taken away and may often grow even more belligerent / violent under said circumstances. Ever been kicked by a 3 year old? Lines must be drawn or children will run roughshod all over you.

What then?

I'm often annoyed by this child spanking debate because it's a religious debate all over again. One side will cite holy text as infallible evidence that spanking works and the other will claim severe mental abuse is inevitable and causes all sorts of irreversible damage as an individual grows up.

Except it isn't that black and white and the solution is somewhere in the middle.

A responsible parent employs the strategy that best suits the situation and temperment of the child they are dealing with. Abusing spanking is equally bad as attempting to reason with a child that simply will not take reason for an answer.

If a child kicks you, you spank them and then give an explanation as to why the spanking occurred you've not only demonstrated that hostile actions against others has consequences but you've also armed them with the knowledge to prevent that situation from happening again.

I should reinforce "***is situational" though as it's hard to blanket such diverse people.

you're right in a way since it's a scientific viewpoint vs an unscientific one (just like religion).

as to your response then you try something else that is also non-violent. You can be firm and show assertiveness without violence.

this wasn't meant to be another debate about it, more of a debate (asserting that it's actually harmful in the long run) whether or not their right to not be harmed is trumped. (or something like that.)

despite the study I still don't even go along with that assumption, there's just too many factors to determine that ie: genes.

I don't much care if others spank but it doesn't work very well for my daughter. Whatever you do though, it needs to be consistent. Kids learn fast, to call your bluff. If you don't back up what you say they'll catch on. I

For minor things, taking angry birds away from my daughter works pretty well...

I think some people in this thread need me to buy them a hooker to come over and spank them.

The article itself is useless. It doesn't articulate at all about what the possible outcomes are or how they got to that point. All it really says is "spanking is bad and I don't get why anyone thinks otherwhise" Post the study or something more detailed and I might give this a second look. This, as it is, is just an opinion piece. I really hope the studies don't go like hey mr. depressed person were you spanked as a child? yes. Oh my well that must be why you are depressed!

Maybe they like that type of thing because when they were young they were spanked and it got hardwired into their psyche and now they need the spankings!!!!!

idk, I'm faaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrr more interested in how people in this thread came to feel the way they do so adamantly...

Yes I agreee that the article itself is lacking, I have a heck of a schedule today. If I get time I'll search the database for the study itself.

sry to doub post, but this is relavant



they're not a real country anyway

Eh... Why does anyone feel that strongly about anything? They were probably on the other end of that at one point and feel wronged and now feel the need to express that. Or something is wrong with them (perceived or otherwise) and need a way to explain why they are deficient(or feel that way). eg. I'm (a) because mommy and daddy did (b) to me.

Not discrediting anything but yea... just putting that out there.

Personally I don't know how you can measure anything like this because I grew up with two other brothers and we all had the same upbringing, similar in age and we all turned out with very different personalities.

Edit: I guess my main interest would be in how spanking your child negatively affects them and how they came to that conclusion.

my thoughts as well. I'm curious about specifics tho. example: child (a) recieved little to no attention from thier parents, now adult (a) is a helicopter parent/smothers thier child.

this is obviously just an example, but I think there are some very strong cause/effect relationships playing out in peoples thoughts on this matter. those, I think, would be far more fun to delve into than the debate at hand