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How i became a Christian.
Lakshmi.Rearden
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-02-02 00:10:35
A child walking into traffic is actually walking into danger; a man walking without an imaginary person who never actually existed by his side is a man walking without an imaginary person who never actually existed at his side.
You refer to him as Jesus.
To be fair we know Jesus existed. Almost everything biblical about him is unprovable, but there is evidence that the person existed and he traveled around teaching religion. There is no historical, physical evidence of his work, writings, etc, and no record of a man named Jesus being executed by the Romans and more specifically Pontius Pilate.
All "historical" references to Jesus come years after the fact via hearsay/2nd-3rd-4th hand accounts.
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By Shiva.Xellith 2012-02-02 00:10:49
A child walking into traffic is actually walking into danger; a man walking without an imaginary person who never actually existed by his side is a man walking without an imaginary person who never actually existed at his side.
You refer to him as Jesus.
To be fair we know Jesus existed. Almost everything biblical about him is unprovable, but there is evidence that the person existed and he traveled around teaching religion.
Actually everything known about jesus came AFTER his lifetime. Everything anyone ever thinks is just made up or from really unreliable sources. If jesus DID exist then he was a teacher - IF he existed at all.
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2012-02-02 00:11:05
And one last thing, to any who may think that my faith is ok for me and not okay to share, i leave you with this... If i truly believed that Jesus Christ is the only way anyone would get to heaven and everyone else will parish in hell, and didn't attempt to inform you or at least share my story... What kinda person would that make me? If you seen a child walking into traffic surely you would stop the child... but you are not children, you are men and women... and if you seen a man walking into unseen traffic at least you would give a shout. You posted this while I was typing up my reply and now I have an issue..
Here's my issue.. It's not as if almost no one on the face of this *** planet doesn't know about religion, and probably the vast majority of the major ones.. Now if you wanna go get dropped off into the middle of nowhere to some tribe who has never heard of such a thing, your argument makes sense.
No one needs YOU to talk to them about 'the lord'.. By this point, pretty much anyone you will come across in life, has already made their decision. If they're not religious, they're not, and if they are, who are you to try and sway it?
"Millions of dead mother *** all because they gave the wrong answer to the 'God question'. "Do you believe in God?" "No" Boom, dead.. "Do you believe in God?" "Yes" "Do you believe in my God?" "No" Boom dead." - George Carlin
TL;DR: If you wanna talk about God to people, find other God people to talk to, no one needs your assistance.. We all pretty much know already.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-02-02 00:15:33
A child walking into traffic is actually walking into danger; a man walking without an imaginary person who never actually existed by his side is a man walking without an imaginary person who never actually existed at his side.
You refer to him as Jesus.
To be fair we know Jesus existed. Almost Everything biblical about him is unprovable, but there is evidence that the person existed and he traveled around teaching religion.
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Uh...
Actually, there's not as much evidence about him existing as you'd think.
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By Bismarck.Stfutaru 2012-02-02 00:16:13
Leviathan.Mnkk
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By Leviathan.Mnkk 2012-02-02 00:19:42
Jesus was killed to keep peace. And His body went missing. Pilate killed him because the jews where threatening to riot if he didnt. But Jesus death resulted in the disciples preaching that Jesus' Resurrection had happened, causing more chaos than the jews had threaten to bring to Pilates door step if they didnt Kill Jesus. If the Body was stolen by the romans they would have produced the body to keep peace, thats the reason they killed Jesus to begin with. The jews where the ones who wanted Jesus dead, if they had stolen the body they would have produced it as soon as the disciples started preaching He was alive. Now the only suspect for the missing body is the disciples... But they where flogged, decapitated, thrown off of buildings, dragged across rugged terrain by horses until they bled to death, fed to lions and bears, had red hot iron plates placed on there chest until it mounted down to the bone, and all of them where given a chance to say "I made it up, Jesus didnt rise from the dead" But not one of them did. I find it impossible for 1 man to go through that much torture.. let alone 12 and none of them break and say "We LIED!" "But mnkk... people die every day for there faith... it still happends and we know theres not a "God" " Well heres the difference, People die today for what they hope is true, the disciples died for what they knew was true. Your war is not with me, but with God and you will know now or then, but either way you will know that i was correct and tryed to warn you. You will not stand before God on judgement day and say "I never knew"
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2012-02-02 00:21:00
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »A child walking into traffic is actually walking into danger; a man walking without an imaginary person who never actually existed by his side is a man walking without an imaginary person who never actually existed at his side.
You refer to him as Jesus.
To be fair we know Jesus existed. Almost Everything biblical about him is unprovable, but there is evidence that the person existed and he traveled around teaching religion.
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Uh...
Actually, there's not as much evidence about him existing as you'd think. I've always preferred to say it like this:
I don't dispute a man named Jesus roughly the same age and living in the time the Bible says he did, actually existed.. But I do dispute any claim the Bible accredits to him.
Leviathan.Hohenheim
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-02-02 00:21:24
Idk about you guys but, I can't wait to go to hell with all the hot sweaty gay men..it's going to be one hell of an eternal party.
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2012-02-02 00:21:38
Jesus was killed to keep peace. And His body went missing. Pilate killed him because the jews where threatening to riot if he didnt. But Jesus death resulted in the disciples preaching that Jesus' Resurrection had happened, causing more chaos than the jews had threaten to bring to Pilates door step if they didnt Kill Jesus. If the Body was stolen by the romans they would have produced the body to keep peace, thats the reason they killed Jesus to begin with. The jews where the ones who wanted Jesus dead, if they had stolen the body they would have produced it as soon as the disciples started preaching He was alive. Now the only suspect for the missing body is the disciples... But they where flogged, decapitated, thrown off of buildings, dragged across rugged terrain by horses until they bled to death, fed to lions and bears, had red hot iron plates placed on there chest until it mounted down to the bone, and all of them where given a chance to say "I made it up, Jesus didnt rise from the dead" But not one of them did. I find it impossible for 1 man to go through that much torture.. let alone 12 and none of them break and say "We LIED!" "But mnkk... people die every day for there faith... it still happends and we know theres not a "God" " Well heres the difference, People die today for what they hope is true, the disciples died for what they knew was true. Your war is not with me, but with God and you will know now or then, but either way you will know that i was correct and tryed to warn you. You will not stand before God on judgement day and say "I never knew" PIDOH
Leviathan.Mnkk
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By Leviathan.Mnkk 2012-02-02 00:21:53
You posted this while I was typing up my reply and now I have an issue..
Here's my issue.. It's not as if almost no one on the face of this *** planet doesn't know about religion, and probably the vast majority of the major ones.. Now if you wanna go get dropped off into the middle of nowhere to some tribe who has never heard of such a thing, your argument makes sense.
No one needs YOU to talk to them about 'the lord'.. By this point, pretty much anyone you will come across in life, has already made their decision. If they're not religious, they're not, and if they are, who are you to try and sway it?
"Millions of dead mother *** all because they gave the wrong answer to the 'God question'. "Do you believe in God?" "No" Boom, dead.. "Do you believe in God?" "Yes" "Do you believe in my God?" "No" Boom dead." - George Carlin
TL;DR: If you wanna talk about God to people, find other God people to talk to, no one needs your assistance.. We all pretty much know already.
To answer simply.. I made my decision that there was no God, and a Christian family reached out to me to tell me some "***" i already heard before. But look at me now.
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By Odin.Gosuapple 2012-02-02 00:21:56
How I became a Christian:
I was born into a religious family and it was not accepted that one of us might not follow the same path. I was indoctrinated from birth, converted to Christianity (from what I have no clue) at the age of 5, baptized at the age of ten, and every time I questioned it I was told "Put not the Lord your God to the test."
Then I grew up, moved out, and moved on.
Don't get me wrong, it's perfectly fine to be a Christian. But it's really not perfectly fine to try to make everyone else around you be Christians too. :/
Why? So long as their methods are reason and persuasion I think people should be allowed to try to convert me to anything they want. Depending on what it is they're trying to convert me to (using the term convert to cover anything from Judaism to margarine over butter) they may not be terribly successful, but I don't want to issue any blanket statements that I'm entirely unprepared to consider another person's way of thinking.
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By Shiva.Xellith 2012-02-02 00:21:57
ALL HAIL OUR LORD AND MASTER!
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2012-02-02 00:22:18
Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »Idk about you guys but, I can't wait to go to hell with all the hot sweaty gay men..it's going to be one hell of an eternal party. :< But I'm straight.. I'm not anti-gay, but that's not exactly how I want to the spend the afterlife..
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-02-02 00:23:19
Valefor.Slipispsycho said: »Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »Idk about you guys but, I can't wait to go to hell with all the hot sweaty gay men..it's going to be one hell of an eternal party. :< But I'm straight.. I'm not anti-gay, but that's not exactly how I want to the spend the afterlife..
You can have your own side with all the wimminz.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-02-02 00:25:41
So basically you were in a point of weakness, and as a weak minded, easily influenced individual you took the bait. Now as a weak minded, non-logical thinking, ignorant individual you are trying to sell people in to your non-condom wearing, abstinence only, abortion clinic bombing, warmongering, hate bearing and human rights/genocidal ****wad ponzie scheme?
If I missed something, point it out.
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2012-02-02 00:26:20
Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »Valefor.Slipispsycho said: »Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »Idk about you guys but, I can't wait to go to hell with all the hot sweaty gay men..it's going to be one hell of an eternal party. :< But I'm straight.. I'm not anti-gay, but that's not exactly how I want to the spend the afterlife..
You can have your own side with all the wimminz. Can't I have the throne instead? =/ I only need 1 woman..
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Leviathan.Hohenheim
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-02-02 00:26:47
So basically you were in a point of weakness, and as a weak minded, easily influenced individual you took the bait. Now as a weak minded, non-logical thinking, ignorant individual you are trying to sell people in to your non-condom wearing, abstinence only, abortion clinic bombing, warmongering, hate bearing and human rights/genocidal ****wad ponzie scheme?
If I missed something, point it out.
Forgot the "Kill all the homosexuals!"
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By Shiva.Xellith 2012-02-02 00:27:31
Don't forget to put prejudicial and hypocritical in there somewhere.
Leviathan.Hohenheim
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-02-02 00:27:47
Valefor.Slipispsycho said: »Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »Valefor.Slipispsycho said: »Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »Idk about you guys but, I can't wait to go to hell with all the hot sweaty gay men..it's going to be one hell of an eternal party. :< But I'm straight.. I'm not anti-gay, but that's not exactly how I want to the spend the afterlife..
You can have your own side with all the wimminz. Can't I have the throne instead? =/ I only need 1 woman..
Idk, isn't that where satan sits? Idk about you but I'd wanna have a go with him :<
Bismarck.Stfutaru
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By Bismarck.Stfutaru 2012-02-02 00:27:52
Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »So basically you were in a point of weakness, and as a weak minded, easily influenced individual you took the bait. Now as a weak minded, non-logical thinking, ignorant individual you are trying to sell people in to your non-condom wearing, abstinence only, abortion clinic bombing, warmongering, hate bearing and human rights/genocidal ****wad ponzie scheme?
If I missed something, point it out.
Forgot the "Kill all the homosexuals!"
Or "cure"...
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-02-02 00:27:53
Valefor.Slipispsycho said: »I've always preferred to say it like this:
I don't dispute a man named Jesus roughly the same age and living in the time the Bible says he did, actually existed.. But I do dispute any claim the Bible accredits to him.
No primary sources, no sources even written by him, No witnesses happened to write about him. Nothing of the sort.
Lakshmi.Rearden
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-02-02 00:28:13
I was including "kill the gays" in hate bearing/human rights
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-02-02 00:28:59
Don't forget to put prejudicial and hypocritical in there somewhere. We are all this, so making it specific to christianity/islam/judaism isn't the best example
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Leviathan.Hohenheim
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-02-02 00:29:37
Bismarck.Stfutaru said: »Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »So basically you were in a point of weakness, and as a weak minded, easily influenced individual you took the bait. Now as a weak minded, non-logical thinking, ignorant individual you are trying to sell people in to your non-condom wearing, abstinence only, abortion clinic bombing, warmongering, hate bearing and human rights/genocidal ****wad ponzie scheme?
If I missed something, point it out.
Forgot the "Kill all the homosexuals!"
Or "cure"... bible says somewhere to kill them :< and you know, to be consistent you have to follow everything in the bible.
Leviathan.Mnkk
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By Leviathan.Mnkk 2012-02-02 00:30:00
Beloved, if i was weak minded id had been a christian long before i became one, if that was the reason. lol read the story again, if all i needed was a few short comings to be a christian i got mine early in life. It was not the case of a weak mind. :) Peace guys
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By Shiva.Xellith 2012-02-02 00:31:49
Stop cherry picking. You talk like the bible is an amazing moral guide - you obviously overlooked all the rape and such. God is good - god commanded rape - therefore rape is good? Religious logic at its best?
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-02-02 00:34:22
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2012-02-02 00:35:01
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Valefor.Slipispsycho said: »I've always preferred to say it like this:
I don't dispute a man named Jesus roughly the same age and living in the time the Bible says he did, actually existed.. But I do dispute any claim the Bible accredits to him.
No primary sources, no sources even written by him, No witnesses happened to write about him. Nothing of the sort. I'm not disputing that much <_< Just saying a Jesus (not "The Jesus") of the age and era didn't exist seems like a ridiculous statement to make to me.. It's the same level of ridiculousness to me to act as if the one from the bible did exist and actually did everything it says he did..
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By Sylph.Lorax 2012-02-02 00:36:00
Is anyone else trying to figure out why he made an account here JUST to post that? All 7 of his posts are in this thread.
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Before i was born my mother had 5 Mis-carrages. When i was finally concieved my mother was told at the day of my birth that she had a 0% survival rate and i had a 50% survival rate. My mother not being religeous, some how summed up the corage to follow threw. We both miraculously survived. 2 weeks before i was born my father was incarsarated for 20 years for 2 strong armed bank robberies. At the age of 2 my 15 year old brother was shot in the heart from a rival gang and killed. This caused my 2 oldest sisters to start doing drugs and drinking. My oldest sister became skitsophrenic and bipolar and was also raped and became pregnant with child. At the age of 5 my crazy sister tryed to commit suicide by jumping out of are 3rd story apt. Me and my mom stoped her. (I tryed what i could.. pulling her ancle) Shortly after that she dangled my 2 year old neice out of the window but didnt harm her. That was the last straw... My sister went to a physch ward and my nephews and neices went to foster care. After a few weeks i realized they wherent comming back. They where like brothers and sisters to me since we where so close in age. For the next five years me and my mom bounced around and at the age of 10 my 2nd oldest sister got married and adopted all of my nephew and neices back into the family's custody. From 10 to 14 me and my mom where homeless. At 14 my sisters husband went ballistic and broke my 2 year old nephews arm's and fractured his skull in 2 places. He was sentenced to 8 years, my sister devorced and everyone went back to foster-care. That happend my first week of high school and greatly effected my attendance. At 15 i received a phone call from my mom saying she was with my dad.... ( I never met him in person, and only talked to him a few times on the phone, but received alot of mail from him.) I didnt want to meet him but i was sort of forced into it. This happened on aug 1 2005 and after a week i fell in love with my dad. Just 3 weeks after meeting him he was moving into our new found home. It was aug 24 2005 that he was expected to move in at 6 pm. That same day i received a phone call at 7pm telling me that my father had been fataly wounded by a shot gun blast to the head... My father had accumalated alot of enemys being in the Mexican mafia. we burried my father on aug 29 and my 16th birthday was the 30th. A few months later a man that my mother dated off and on threw out my life was killed in prision from tainted heroin. This caused my mom to start doing drugs and alcochol for the first time to my knowlege. Shortly after she hooked up with a new boy friend and picked him over me and kicked me out on the streets at 16. During the new few years of my life i was a drifter and a loner. I spent alot of time wallowing in my own sorrow and eventually became very emotionaly unstable. I tryed to suppress all the pain by getting high. I developed a pretty fierce heroin addiction and started breaking into cars to sum up cash for drugs. Then at the age of 19 a christian family took me into their home because i was homeless and gave me food and clothing as well. After 2 months they asked me to read the bible with them. I agreed even tho i was an athiest, i figured it was the least that i could do for all they did for me. I started reading proverbs and some where in the midst of reading it I became convicted... My conscience condemned me and for the first time in my life i realized i was a sinner. The Law of God was perfect for converting the soul just as the psalmist said.. I realized what the cross meant.. i understood what grace was... I was a lieing theiving blaspheming adultresses murderer at heart... and God being good and loving,,, i thought would let me into heaven. Then i realized that because God Is Good and Loves... Justice and righteousness would have seen that i received what i deserved... Death for that was the wage i worked for. I accepted Jesus for who He is... Lord. And He transformed my life from the inside out. He's called me to be a pastor and has blessed my memory. I was once at loss to remember my cell phone number and now i have books of the bible memorized. The Lord has healed me of my emotional instability and liberated me and my family from the bondage of drugs and much more... the slavery of sin. God bless
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