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By Drjones 2012-01-31 13:57:28
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You're probably right.

I just hate watching politicians dance around questions instead of answering them. It makes me want to punch kittens.
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By Fenrir.Scragg 2012-01-31 14:08:31
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Drjones said: »
I tuned in when some lady was asking him why they kept issuing work visas (or something) to foreign engineers when her own husband(also an engineer) was unable to find work. Watching Obama dance around that question reminded me that yes he is indeed a politician. I turned it off in disgust.

That lady had a valid concern and wanted a simple answer. What she got was a politician trying to deflect blame and avoid giving a straightforward answer.

We need fewer politicians in politics, because it's getting to the point where I want to club them all over the head regardless of party lines and policy.

companies don't just go hiring foreign born employees to work in the us just because they can. they have to sponsor someone, it costs money, and they aren't quite sure that they have the same standards.

If the woman's husband is having trouble finding a job he probably needs to get more qualified so he can actually compete.

the reason he danced around the issue is 1) he didn't know the details beyond a vague question that was asked and 2) it would seem insulting if he said "your husband probably isn't qualified"

The H1B visas are needed to fill some high tech positions. They aren't looking for cheap labor, just skill. It's better to import some talent then export the company office to Asia. Obama probably wanted to say that her husband probably doesn't have the skills the companies are looking for. I couldn't even make out what she said when she explained what kind of engineer he was. Did anyone catch that?

I agree with Caitsith.Mahayaya, they are all asking, "Mr. Goverment, what can you do for me?"
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-01-31 14:08:56
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Drjones said: »
You're probably right.

I just hate watching politicians dance around questions instead of answering them. It makes me want to punch kittens.
it sucks yeah. it's what politicians, especially election year politicians do.
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By Asura.Emoneaone 2012-01-31 14:15:32
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Fenrir.Scragg said: »

I agree with Caitsith.Mahayaya, they are all asking, "Mr. Goverment, what can you do for me?"

In my opinion that is our biggest problem in the U.S. today. Everyone is looking to the Fed to take care of them instead of getting out there and doing something for themselves. I might lose my job in the near future, but won't go crying to Washington to get me another. If I have to flip burgers or push carts at Wal-Mart to feed my family, that's what I'll do, while looking for something better, rather than sitting around the house for 99 weeks on unemployment.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-01-31 14:20:38
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The problem with that is underemployment doesn't really help the economy get any better. People want jobs, and people want jobs that they are skilled in doing.

The federal government has the power to influence the workforce positively, and sometimes they use that power.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-01-31 14:22:35
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Asura.Emoneaone said: »
Fenrir.Scragg said: »
I agree with Caitsith.Mahayaya, they are all asking, "Mr. Goverment, what can you do for me?"
In my opinion that is our biggest problem in the U.S. today. Everyone is looking to the Fed to take care of them instead of getting out there and doing something for themselves. I might lose my job in the near future, but won't go crying to Washington to get me another. If I have to flip burgers or push carts at Wal-Mart to feed my family, that's what I'll do, while looking for something better, rather than sitting around the house for 99 weeks on unemployment.
Bolded is part of why they don't hire "overqualified" people.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-01-31 14:24:08
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I don't get why anyone is surprised that they all tried to plug themselves... Everyone thinks about what's best for "me and mine" though I admit I was surprised by how shameless some of them were lol. Don't fool yourselves though.. people aren't thinking about your well being or the countries but the well being of themselves and if that coincides with something else then so be it.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-01-31 14:25:13
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Asura.Emoneaone said: »
Fenrir.Scragg said: »
I agree with Caitsith.Mahayaya, they are all asking, "Mr. Goverment, what can you do for me?"
In my opinion that is our biggest problem in the U.S. today. Everyone is looking to the Fed to take care of them instead of getting out there and doing something for themselves. I might lose my job in the near future, but won't go crying to Washington to get me another. If I have to flip burgers or push carts at Wal-Mart to feed my family, that's what I'll do, while looking for something better, rather than sitting around the house for 99 weeks on unemployment.
Bolded is part of why they don't hire "overqualified" people.

Sad, but true.
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By Artemicion 2012-01-31 14:27:03
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I don't get why anyone is surprised that they all tried to plug themselves... Everyone thinks about what's best for "me and mine" though I admit I was surprised by how shameless some of them were lol. Don't fool yourselves though.. people aren't thinking about your well being or the countries but the well being of themselves and if that coincides with something else then so be it.

Indeed. An unfortunate, but rather predictable outcome of human nature in a field that is simultaneously conducive and contrary to such a mindset.
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By Sylph.Zohnax 2012-01-31 14:54:21
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Ugh, did some reflecting over the interview, then decided to re-watch it. Really, the overall tone of the interview was "Me, me, me". "What can YOU, Obama, do for ME?"

The first video had a person who said that he was working a 40hr week and going to school, and what Obama had planned to help him or people like him.

The woman from Texas couldn't help talking about her husband and children. "Why doesn't MY husband have a job, he's an engineer!" She was pleased that Obama's people would check out the guy's resume - not answering the greater problem, the lack of jobs.

The guy from Michigan states that he was glad that Obama helped bail out the auto-industry because it helped his father stay employed. "It helped ME out, so I approve!" Rather than thinking the damage done as a whole to the larger group of taxpayers(and future debt of our children). Even if GM had been shutdown, the demand would have been distributed among other car manufacturers, such as Ford. This slightly increased demand would require more workers to fulfill it. This would weed out the companies that can't keep a proper business model, and help the stronger businesses grow.

The small business advocate, from New Jersey, couldn't help but ask Obama, "If you need a small business guy, don't hesitate to call me!"

It was especially disturbing to hear the woman at the end say, "I have a book! *nervous laugh*" It just goes to show that these people have little concern for the betterment of the future, just of themselves and THEIR kids.

It's typical for a gay person to argue for gay rights, but it's truly a noble cause for one to not argue the case for "gay rights", but for universal human rights.

The questions asked today(barring the UK extradition question) weren't for great causes, most of them had a selfish interest - help ME. It left me with distaste and was reminiscent of a nest of baby birds chirping for their worm.

If the majority of people are like this, it's unquestionable that the majority of elected officials relentlessly serve their own needs as well, despite the costs to others.

/nohopeinhumanity
I wonder how many questions they dodged that were sent in. Granted, a lot of people are not very selfless, but I doubt they didn't get any letters concerning bigger issues. Granted, it's because of the upcoming elections, but he's got a tough bout ahead of him anyways. I have zero faith in what any of these lolcandidates running against him will do any better than Obama, if they don't fk us worse. But it wouldn't surprise me if these questions were organized in such a fashion that makes Americans look even more selfish than some of us already do.
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By Lakshmi.Jesi 2012-01-31 17:49:38
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Bahamut.Krizz said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
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I hope they will consolidate the marijuana related questions and only allow one.

I disagree, it's a big issue that needs more attention than just one question.
There are a lot of big issues. We get FIVE questions. IMO, if 3/5 of those are marijuana related, it's stupid. It's not THAT huge of an issue to overrule some of the better questions that were mentioned before. I will consider it a failure.

The point is though is that it is a huge issue to a lot of people.

I know someone with multiple sclerosis who can't get medical marijuana even though he desperately needs it. He has to go out on the black market and make himself a criminal just to get the relief that he needs. He is actually thinking about moving out of state just to get it.

Let's not also forget all of the tax money spent on arresting and locking up the criminals who use it.

Then when you think about all of the tax money and jobs it would create making it legal, especially when the economy is ***and you have yourself a big issue.
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2012-01-31 17:56:26
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I never said it shouldn't be addressed. I simply stated that it is not the biggest issue in this country, and that it shouldn't make up 3/5 possible questions. Of course, it's irrelevant now because they didn't even base the questions for it off of the most rated ones.
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By Valefor.Mithano 2012-01-31 18:04:10
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
"Mr. Goverment, what can you do for me?"

But ... that's kind of the point of the government. The whole reason they exist is to help ME, the person that elected them (me in the sense of the US population, not necessarily me specifically). The point of the government is explicitly not to just help those already in government make more money.

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I couldn't even make out what she said when she explained what kind of engineer he was. Did anyone catch that?

Same as me, electrical/computer engineering. I'd put good money on him being a silicon valley kind of guy. And we often lose our jobs to the H-1Bs, not for missing skill sets, but for not wanting to move or make other big sacrifices. Losing a job to another US citizen because of those reasons is one thing - losing to a non citizen is quite another.

I'm also glad marijuana didn't make it to the list, it's just not important enough in comparison to the other things to ask. Unfortunately, the other things that did get asked barely got answered anyway, so it was kind of blah to begin with. But expecting to get straight answers to surprise questions in that format is probably just asking too much from a politician.

Edit: On the marijuana - a piece of the problem is that there are so, so many people that want it legal for very non-medical reasons. Some people would benefit greatly - most just want to get high. If you can show me a way to make it responsible in the various parts of the country that have it now, then we can talk about doing something more legally.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-01-31 18:10:35
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Valefor.Mithano said: »
Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
"Mr. Goverment, what can you do for me?"

But ... that's kind of the point of the government. The whole reason they exist is to help ME, the person that elected them (me in the sense of the US population, not necessarily me specifically). The point of the government is explicitly not to just help those already in government make more money.

Fenrir.Scragg said: »
I couldn't even make out what she said when she explained what kind of engineer he was. Did anyone catch that?

Same as me, electrical/computer engineering. I'd put good money on him being a silicon valley kind of guy. And we often lose our jobs to the H-1Bs, not for missing skill sets, but for not wanting to move or make other big sacrifices. Losing a job to another US citizen because of those reasons is one thing - losing to a non citizen is quite another.

I'm also glad marijuana didn't make it to the list, it's just not important enough in comparison to the other things to ask. Unfortunately, the other things that did get asked barely got answered anyway, so it was kind of blah to begin with. But expecting to get straight answers to surprise questions in that format is probably just asking too much from a politician.

Edit: On the marijuana - a piece of the problem is that there are so, so many people that want it legal for very non-medical reasons. Some people would benefit greatly - most just want to get high. If you can show me a way to make it responsible in the various parts of the country that have it now, then we can talk about doing something more legally.

b1: why does that matter?

b2: again why does that matter?
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2012-01-31 18:17:44
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Valefor.Mithano said: »

I'm also glad marijuana didn't make it to the list, it's just not important enough in comparison to the other things to ask. Unfortunately, the other things that did get asked barely got answered anyway, so it was kind of blah to begin with. But expecting to get straight answers to surprise questions in that format is probably just asking too much from a politician.

Edit: On the marijuana - a piece of the problem is that there are so, so many people that want it legal for very non-medical reasons. Some people would benefit greatly - most just want to get high. If you can show me a way to make it responsible in the various parts of the country that have it now, then we can talk about doing something more legally.


or maybe some people think it's *** we spend hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars a year prosecuting and jailing people for smoking or eating a plant with very few negative side effects.

*cracks open a beer*

nothing that gets you *** up should be legal... obviously... well i mean... unless you can overcharge and tax the ***out of it.
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By Fenrir.Scragg 2012-01-31 18:24:29
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It seems like when a marijuana question gets brought to attention it's met with a chuckle because they assume the proponents just want to get high. It's prohibition has consequences that include empowering drug cartels from central to south america that results in wasted money, senseless deaths, and gov. corruption.
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By Valefor.Mithano 2012-01-31 18:27:32
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
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losing (a job) to a non citizen is quite another

b1: why does that matter?

Because I expect the US government to keep thing on a level playing field at best, if not make it preferential to hire US workers. They do this directly in the form of requiring American cars, and buying only American-made equipment (yes I know it's not perfect, but you get the point). I certainly do not expect them to make it more advantageous for them to allow overseas workers to come in, or illegals, or anyone else. US citizens first, everyone else second. I'm not saying no H-1Bs, but 50,000+ is too many.

And to segue ...

.02% of the US population is really competing here, so even eliminating all of them is kind of "meh" for job growth. So actually on that point, I take it back, marijuana for glaucoma would actually be more important. But I do have to wonder what percentage of "medical marijuana" is really helping pain vs. getting high.

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most just want to get high.

b2: again why does that matter?

I think it matters because people that are high can cause issues for society. I know the stereotype is that marijuana is the laid back drug, but the reality is that there's a lot of collateral damage from the use. If it were just two people smoking on their back porch, it would be fine. But that's not all of it.

A good analogy might be oxycontin - it's a great drug for pain management, and it's insanely abused as well. Many of the same discussions about marijuana could apply to oxy as well. But because oxy cannot be made in a grow pot in the basement, it's easier to keep it legal and handle it that way.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-01-31 18:31:32
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I say higher whatever workers that do the job, and american cars suck...

far less problems than keeping it illegal causes.

The argument that drugs cause people to do "bad things" is flawed.
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By Valefor.Mithano 2012-01-31 18:33:08
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Fenrir.Scragg said: »
It seems like when a marijuana question gets brought to attention it's met with a chuckle because they assume the proponents just want to get high. It's prohibition has consequences that include empowering drug cartels from central to south america that results in wasted money, senseless deaths, and gov. corruption.

No doubt - so the real question becomes not if it's better to have it legal, but which is the lesser evil: Having it legal, and dealing with an increase in people being high, or keeping it illegal, and dealing with those prohibition issues?

Prohibition is probably the best comparison there, an item that has somewhat similar effects. I think the general consensus is that allowing alcohol to be legal, but heavily regulated and taxed, works better than banning it all. I'm generally in that camp about marijuana as well, for the same reasons.

I just don't want to be smelling pot smoke when I walk down a street, cigs are bad enough as it is. I live in Portland, so trust me, it would get so bad here I probably wouldn't be able to go downtown anymore.
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
far less problems than keeping it illegal causes.

The argument that drugs cause people to do "bad things" is flawed.

That's a debate that's impossible to settle - comparing what we have now to what we would have years after a law is passed cannot be known, only guessed.

Drugs (alcohol and oxy included) are on damn near every episode of cops, not for their possession, but because of what idiots do after they've had them. I don't see any flaw in that argument. The only question is what's worse, keeping pot illegal or letting it flow, and that's a very hard question to answer. Both ways will end up with morons doing dumb things.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-31 18:36:38
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It seems like when a marijuana question gets brought to attention it's met with a chuckle because they assume the proponents just want to get high. It's prohibition has consequences that include empowering drug cartels from central to south america that results in wasted money, senseless deaths, and gov. corruption.
Don't forget about our government selling the cartels guns too.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2012-01-31 18:40:25
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Valefor.Mithano said: »
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It seems like when a marijuana question gets brought to attention it's met with a chuckle because they assume the proponents just want to get high. It's prohibition has consequences that include empowering drug cartels from central to south america that results in wasted money, senseless deaths, and gov. corruption.

No doubt - so the real question becomes not if it's better to have it legal, but which is the lesser evil: Having it legal, and dealing with an increase in people being high, or keeping it illegal, and dealing with those prohibition issues?

Prohibition is probably the best comparison there, an item that has somewhat similar effects. I think the general consensus is that allowing alcohol to be legal, but heavily regulated and taxed, works better than banning it all. I'm generally in that camp about marijuana as well, for the same reasons.

I just don't want to be smelling pot smoke when I walk down a street, cigs are bad enough as it is. I live in Portland, so trust me, it would get so bad here I probably wouldn't be able to go downtown anymore.

Then I say the federal government should keep its hands out of the situation. Right now, federal law says it's a Schedule 1 drug, but then many states' laws say that it can be used for medicinal purposes. Most things done at the federal level are done poorly and with much larger costs.

There's a town near me that doesn't even allow houses to be remodeled with vinyl siding because it is a historical town. You can have a city ordinance that doesn't allow smoking. You can get involved in your town and get people together to create an ordinance like that. Or slightly more extreme, make a state law that prohibits such an act as public intoxication or smoking.
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By Valefor.Mithano 2012-01-31 18:47:51
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Or slightly more extreme, make a state law that prohibits such an act as public intoxication or smoking.

We're moving in that direction - most public places here already are banned for normal cigs (restaurants, etc.). I would imagine we could get a similar law passed for this.

I do like the idea of the feds staying out of people's lives unless necessary. I just don't want someone else's marijuana smoking to mess up my life, either. If we can arrange it so you can have your pot and not crash into my car or bother me, then I'm good to go.
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Pot legalization efforts forge ahead in key states
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2012-01-31 19:40:11
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Valefor.Mithano said: »
If we can arrange it so you can have your pot and not crash into my car or bother me, then I'm good to go.


wait wut? i think what you need is a ban on happy hour at every bar and sit down eatery. i wasn't aware of these waves of pot induced accidents.


*edit* let's not forget those depressed mid 40 somethings scarfing down xanax or painkillers at work and driving home. all those legal and much more dangerous!
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-01-31 19:47:00
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Valefor.Mithano said: »
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most just want to get high.

b2: again why does that matter?

I think it matters because people that are high can cause issues for society. I know the stereotype is that marijuana is the laid back drug, but the reality is that there's a lot of collateral damage from the use. If it were just two people smoking on their back porch, it would be fine. But that's not all of it.

anything you said right there can be applied to alcohol
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
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most just want to get high.

b2: again why does that matter?

I think it matters because people that are high can cause issues for society. I know the stereotype is that marijuana is the laid back drug, but the reality is that there's a lot of collateral damage from the use. If it were just two people smoking on their back porch, it would be fine. But that's not all of it.

anything you said right there can be applied to alcohol


and snickers/kit kat bars. do you know how much sugar and calories are in those? brb starting a ban on trick or treating.
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By Lakshmi.Jesi 2012-01-31 20:39:22
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While this is great to read, I wonder if this passes if the feds will raid and arrest people like they have done in the past when medical marijuana was first introduced.

It's nice to see states give the middle finger to the fed though, gotta love that.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-31 21:56:48
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Lakshmi.Jesi said: »

While this is great to read, I wonder if this passes if the feds will raid and arrest people like they have done in the past when medical marijuana was first introduced.

It's nice to see states give the middle finger to the fed though, gotta love that.
True that.
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