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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-20 10:12:53
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Carbuncle.Joeywheeler said: »
They'd sue you for sure.

Lots of companies do this though, but like you said pay for it.
What if I just gave it away to people?
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By Asura.Ina 2012-01-20 10:14:07
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Since you guys like loaves of bread so much, here's a hypothetical scenario:

Let's say there's this baker who makes some kinda of really super awesome bread. Special ingredients only he knows, etc.

I buy a loaf. Can I share it with my friends?

What if I take the loaf and cut it up and use the slices to make sandwiches. Sandwiches with my own secret ingredients.

Can I sell these sandwiches to other people?

Can I even just give them away?

Or do I have to pay royalties to the baker, even though I already purchased the loaf?
A loaf of bread (or any food) is really a terrible comparison for this because the bread is limited, once you have eaten it it is gone forever (well not really but we wont get into that). Once it is gone you then have to buy more if you wish to continue sharing that bread. Music or movies be endlessly shared with out losing anything (unless you get cought I guess) or having to pay for more.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-20 10:15:00
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Thank you. I'm glad someone got my point before I forgot what it was, lol.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2012-01-20 10:38:22
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*** man! Mario Party 9 comes out in march :(
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-20 10:41:07
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Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
*** man! Mario Party 9 comes out in march :(
Oh well forget it then. Let's shoot for April.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-20 10:45:17
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That's fine, I'm Luigi.
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By Bismarck.Misao 2012-01-20 11:16:46
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I call Peach!
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2012-01-20 11:20:03
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Yoshi
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-01-20 13:23:05
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Asura.Ina said: »
A loaf of bread (or any food) is really a terrible comparison for this because the bread is limited, once you have eaten it it is gone forever (well not really but we wont get into that). Once it is gone you then have to buy more if you wish to continue sharing that bread. Music or movies be endlessly shared with out losing anything (unless you get cought I guess) or having to pay for more.

Data, information or really anything else that can be duplicated without any real cost are hard to place, I'll agree with that. What I don't understand is why they can't reduce the price of these kind of things. It doesn't cost companies much more to provide 100 copies of a song, movie, program or other such thing than it does to provide 5. This isn't like a car that parts had to be bought and expended for each one produced. The only expense is perhaps download bandwidth or a cheap physical storage method such as a cd or flash drive.

So why do we have to pay 100, 200 300 bucks for some Microsoft program? Wouldn't be better for their company if they reduced the price down enough to encourage people to buy it legitimately rather than steal it? Didn't they do something like this in Taiwan or some other country where the majority of licenses were not genuine? IIRC they reduced the retail price for windows XP to $28 and were able to bring in far more money since it wasn't that bad to just buy it.

As price decreases, demand increases. I significantly doubt any company is at such a high market saturation (with legitimate copies anyway) that they would stand to loose any money from reducing the cost and gaining more paying customers.

This has always been an extreme irritation of mine.
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By Fenrir.Kendraian 2012-01-20 13:32:22
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pshh Mario!
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2012-01-20 13:34:29
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I only play if I'm Daisy >:

Brawl? Daisy alt for Peach.
Mario Kart? Daisy.
Any Mario sport game? Daisy.
Mario Party? *** yeah Daisy.

Oh someone else picked Daisy? I'll wait until they leave.
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By Fenrir.Kendraian 2012-01-20 13:36:03
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Dont bring brawl into this!
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By Fenrir.Kendraian 2012-01-20 13:36:47
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If in the possible events people start claiming their brawl characters i call Zelda >_>;;
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2012-01-20 13:37:51
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I'm just showing how I only pick Daisy, relax :P

I do wish this Black March was Black April. I gotta get Tales of Graces f, sorry :/ I could hold out ME3, but not ToGf.
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By Artemicion 2012-01-20 13:38:54
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I participate in this all the time.
Because frankly there really isn't that much media out now these days that holds a great deal of interest or entertainment to me.
Magazines are perpetually regurgitating the same things over and over with different writers, or are paid off by those that are written about to blow things out of proportion. So magazines are more or less a propaganda tool with half lies and are saturated with more advertising than actual content therein.
Movies have become more and more extravagant but lacking inner substance that would make them questionable in worth for the $30 it costs to waste two hours of my time with a friend and eat a bucket of stale popcorn with artery clogging coconut oil drizzled on top.
Video games too have become a recycled art that tend to widen their demograph so far and wide that we end up with the same constant franchises of Call of Modern Battlefield 3 Space Person Shooter game every month or so. What happened to AA games that took 1-3 years to come out and redeemed themselves in sublime quality that would make you happily wait for another, even if it took another year or two for it to come out?
And as far as the music industry goes... I really don't need to explain myself here.I never had much faith in it's direction anyways.

So yeah, I'm good for doing what I've always been doing for the past few years. I just hope those that feel the constant need to feed and consume on the same tripe spit out by the media can abstain for even so much as 30 measly days and go outside, build a birdhouse, donate blood, walk in the park, read a book, play a classic video game you haven't touched in ages, pick up the lost art of making mix tapes for your friends and family. There's plenty to do with yourself for a month, and there's a lot at stake and a lot of power held in your actions simply by choosing not to give in.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-01-20 13:39:48
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I love the entire mind set "I doubt one person will make a difference"

That's the reason these things fail.
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By Bahamut.Feisei 2012-01-20 13:40:28
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Dosnt RE operation racoon city come out in march too? No way, i need mah RE fix
 
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By Fenrir.Kendraian 2012-01-20 13:46:03
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I thought RE Racoon came out in April? if it does then the Black March isnt getting my support sadly :/ They have impeccable timing T_T i buy games that i wait for about months thru years for. Asking me to wait another month is torture when I actually bought it.
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By Artemicion 2012-01-20 13:48:10
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Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »
Bahamut.Serj said: »
I love the entire mind set "I doubt one person will make a difference"

That's the reason these things fail.
If someone like me spent the last year or two buying near nothing new for entertainment, I can't blame them for thinking "oh yeah me continuing to not buy something for another month will make a huge difference"

One person made no difference for the last ~year after all

Singularly, no, we don't hold much power.
However, your power lies in influence. Telling your friends, family, co-workers, room mates, any like minded person you know can spread a cause like wildfire. And if they're dedicated enough as you (as you should be), the consequences weigh heavily on those with the provisions.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-20 13:48:49
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Phoenix.Lillicarnage said: »
I guess I am just not seeing it as the horrible thing everyone else is making it out to be. I think part of the reason is because I was the security manager for the network on my last ship in the Navy so it was my job to monitor web traffic and block sites that the Navy felt needed to be blocked. Even with the internet heavily censored and many things blocked it was still a useful tool and source of entertainment.

You have to draw lines when it comes to freedom. I have a right to eat but that does not mean I can walk into a bakery and take a loaf of bread, as the baker has a right to make the bread and make money selling it to me. There are reasons there are laws in place and it is usually after the abuse has occurred. In my bread example I am sure at some point in time stealing bread was not against the law until it became a problem and then a law was made, though I doubt that bread thieves rose up in protest about it.

Bottom line is a lot of people use the internet to do bad things, not everyone, but in this case there is no easy way to single out the criminals so the government is forced to swat the fly with a hammer sledgehammer tactical nuke. This law does need to happen in some capacity, at some point in time, to protect the rights of the people taking damages from things like piracy. Just because they have more money than us doesn't mean they are any less entitled to be protected by law than we are.

Wow, this post actually flew without any scrutiny? My jaw nearly fell clean off my face here.

So you believe censorship of the internet is OK solely to protect a vocal minority bribing our elected officials over the will of the people who by and large do not pirate copyrighted material? Your mindset astonishes me. Did you take the oath upon commission?

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To support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.

This part specifically.

When you said serviceman you must have meant Chinese Navy because that's what you sound like - a repressive regime member who believes that the interests of the few interests supersede the will of the masses. You took an oath to protect the freedoms of this country yet you're telling me censorship is fine because it's 'not that bad'.

Bad by what standards? Me not being able to visit Youtube because the site is down because of a copyrighted "Happy Birthday" song in a family video is pretty 'bad' by my standards.

Piracy is a problem yes but to censor the most powerful invention available to the people of the United States because the film and recording industry are losing some profits is corporate zombie talk. Why should we lose the ability to freely communicate because some fatcat isn't making his extra 50 million on top of the millions he's already making?

Why should we move backwards because a few holdouts refuse to move forward?

Look at it this way - the film and record execs could lower the price of physical media to compete with piracy and marginalize the issue further but they refuse and why is that? Because $60-$100 box sets are like profit fountains. They cost jackshit to produce and are inflated to all hell so there is no incentive to lower the prices. Up, Up, Up goes the prices as the middle class in this country continues to have less to spend on entertainment all as this stuff is produced in China, India or Mexico for a pittance.

These masters of the universe continue to pay bloated prices for actors/actresses, spend continuously more on budgets for diminishing returns yet refuse to change their ways to meet the piracy problem head-on. Is it any surprise when people refuse to pay $50 for a blu-ray package?

We know these guys wanna make money but piracy is caused partly by inflated prices. Parts of the lost revenue could be recouped by making deals attractive to your target market but nope, lets rewrite the internet to make that money back instead. Oh well, I hope they like even more rampant piracy if a SOPA or PIPA were to pass along with the ire of the masses.
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By Carbuncle.Sanders 2012-01-20 13:49:16
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I love how the bulk of the thread is full of people asking how they can cut corners (sarcasm or not).


My question is: how does continuing to download media illegally affect Black March?

I would sort of think they would not even mention illegal dloading, or have huge balls and encourage it.

Anyway, I'm very interested in this concept.
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By Asura.Ina 2012-01-20 13:58:21
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Asura.Ina said: »
A loaf of bread (or any food) is really a terrible comparison for this because the bread is limited, once you have eaten it it is gone forever (well not really but we wont get into that). Once it is gone you then have to buy more if you wish to continue sharing that bread. Music or movies be endlessly shared with out losing anything (unless you get cought I guess) or having to pay for more.

Data, information or really anything else that can be duplicated without any real cost are hard to place, I'll agree with that. What I don't understand is why they can't reduce the price of these kind of things. It doesn't cost companies much more to provide 100 copies of a song, movie, program or other such thing than it does to provide 5. This isn't like a car that parts had to be bought and expended for each one produced. The only expense is perhaps download bandwidth or a cheap physical storage method such as a cd or flash drive.

So why do we have to pay 100, 200 300 bucks for some Microsoft program? Wouldn't be better for their company if they reduced the price down enough to encourage people to buy it legitimately rather than steal it? Didn't they do something like this in Taiwan or some other country where the majority of licenses were not genuine? IIRC they reduced the retail price for windows XP to $28 and were able to bring in far more money since it wasn't that bad to just buy it.

As price decreases, demand increases. I significantly doubt any company is at such a high market saturation (with legitimate copies anyway) that they would stand to loose any money from reducing the cost and gaining more paying customers.

This has always been an extreme irritation of mine.
Don't forget the production costs before they actually started selling it, those are accounted for in the pricing as well ie labor, adversisments, also printing any booklets that might come with a physical copy.

I can't think of a good example in this context so bare with me as we jump back to food for a sec. When you eat out the prices are not just the cost of the actual food. The price is calculated using the ingrdient cost as a given but also includes labor and other stuff to make sure there is a profit. The same applies to movies music and software where they set their prices based off there sales projections. A lower price may bring more willing customers but at the same time for every person that obtains it with out paying the price needs to be higher to meet their profit goals.
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By Lakshmi.Jesi 2012-01-20 13:58:37
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Bahamut.Serj said: »
I love the entire mind set "I doubt one person will make a difference"

That's the reason these things fail.

When 10s of millions of people think this way, it's why we can't have nice things :(
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By Artemicion 2012-01-20 14:13:03
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I'm curious, would live music and things like ticketmaster and other box offices be part or hold any relevance to what's going on with SOPA/PIPA?
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2012-01-20 14:14:35
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Phoenix.Lillicarnage said: »
Too bad they can't do this in April, Mass Effect 3 comes out March 6th and I am buying like 4 copies.

*** like this is why Black March is doomed to fail. Some things are more important than video games, kids.

It's dumb anyways, how is not illegally downloading stuff going to do them any harm? lol
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2012-01-20 14:19:43
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Ramuh.Rowland said: »
Dude SSX comes out March 2nd.
If you pre-order it and pay in full in AprilFebruary you'll be good bro!
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By Fenrir.Kendraian 2012-01-20 14:38:08
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Phoenix.Lillicarnage said: »
Too bad they can't do this in April, Mass Effect 3 comes out March 6th and I am buying like 4 copies.

*** like this is why Black March is doomed to fail. Some things are more important than video games, kids.

In a world where everyone complains, criticize, and demoralize other; Yeah i'd choose videogames over that because the 24hrs it provides helps alleviate the other 1+ years of "***".
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2012-01-20 14:41:15
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Oh hey guys cancel your content IDs for FFXI and FF14 this march. Sure as well won't gain support D:

Essentially don't give any money to media/video game corporations right?
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