[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades
[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades
I probably should just quit again.I've only been debating it for a while now /shrug
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The ONLY way that i can see anyone doing multiple ADL's is if ADL drops were added, such as it potentially dropping up to 5 or so hundo's. or possibly adding the chance of it dropping a 10,000 piece. If not that, then maybe adding some more/better drops to it than the ***it drops now.
Sylph.Washburn said: »
The ONLY way that i can see anyone doing multiple ADL's is if ADL drops were added, such as it potentially dropping up to 5 or so hundo's. or possibly adding the chance of it dropping a 10,000 piece. If not that, then maybe adding some more/better drops to it than the ***it drops now.
The ***it drops now?! Do you know how useful his Archon Ring would be for a MDT set on PLD along with the shadow ring? Do you not see how awesome the Sasinger is? I didn't know these were ***drops. News to me.
They really need to revise this trial. The other ones are much more reasonable as they don't consume a large group of peoples time and gil. You're screwing 17 people out of at least 150 currency for every ADL run you do. ADL drops are ***in comparison to shadow ring off of NQ DL even.
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Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
They really need to revise this trial. The other ones are much more reasonable as they don't consume a large group of peoples time and gil. You're screwing 17 people out of at least 150 currency for every ADL run you do.
Quiznor said: »
Its the buyers who are to fault if they're paying 400mil for level 99 upgrade.Like the idiots paying 90% of a relic for the 90-95 empyrean trials.
Edit: Im also glad to see 99.9% of the ffxi commnity still lives in the "lowman ALL the things" "i want everything in 2 days" mindset
Edit: Im also glad to see 99.9% of the ffxi commnity still lives in the "lowman ALL the things" "i want everything in 2 days" mindset
Except ADL just sucks on every conceivable level.
The drops aren't stunning enough to draw in non-relic user and the Sagasinger is neat but the rarity of that drop alone does not make for a good event. An 18man run is rewarding 1-3 people, does that BARANCED to you?
The fight itself is a luck based affair which is a huge step down from the previous WOTG Shadowlord battle (which was done good) and eats up an entire Dynamis run for ONE battle where your pool will likely be just the upgrade item or an Archon drop. You sacrifice currency, forgotten items and 2hours of your time for....?
People want good events with stuff worth doing. Just because ADL is obnoxious to access doesn't mean that people want to 'lowman all the things', it just means the investment isn't worth the rewards being offered. SE can't seem to wrap their minds around that fact.
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Quiznor said: »
Edit: Im also glad to see 99.9% of the ffxi commnity still lives in the "lowman ALL the things" "i want everything in 2 days" mindset
I really dont think this is the case. Most people expected the final trial to be a challenge but this is overboard. Even if it were simply just 20 kills with the weapon equipped it would still be a 20+ day endevour if everything goes perfect. But at least it would be feasible for the average player to create or join a shout group and actually accomplish over time.
As it stands I can see the /sh now
"/shout Hello! Team Up ADL/Dynamis-Xarc Do you need it? Level 99 <insert random relic weapon here> Please Help me out!! /tell Job Please"
Which will be immediately followed by a slew of LOLs.
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I'm not very excited about this. I have an LS that could pull it off, but most of them solo Dynamis for gil or are currently building their own relics. Convincing them to give up 200+ currency for that many days in a row is going to be extremely difficult, and extremely selfish.
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Archon gear still might be incentive for other players to help out though.
Shout runs are extremely risky in which, you're inviting people who may either screw you, suck hard or *** you off.
Shout runs are extremely risky in which, you're inviting people who may either screw you, suck hard or *** you off.
Ragnarok.Crunkie said: »
Sylph.Washburn said: »
The ONLY way that i can see anyone doing multiple ADL's is if ADL drops were added, such as it potentially dropping up to 5 or so hundo's. or possibly adding the chance of it dropping a 10,000 piece. If not that, then maybe adding some more/better drops to it than the ***it drops now.
The ***it drops now?! Do you know how useful his Archon Ring would be for a MDT set on PLD along with the shadow ring? Do you not see how awesome the Sasinger is? I didn't know these were ***drops. News to me.
Fenrir.Leoheart said: »
Archon gear still might be incentive for other players to help out though.
Shout runs are extremely risky in which, you're inviting people who may either screw you, suck hard or *** you off.
Shout runs are extremely risky in which, you're inviting people who may either screw you, suck hard or *** you off.
Ya you would have have 2 other very trustworthy people or mules to control party lead spots to avoid the inevitable ninja lot...
But that's if and only if you can find enough people with nothing better to do to go with you.
Archon ring isn't mdt..
And who says it's just for plds?
And who says it's just for plds?
Fenrir.Leoheart said: »
Archon ring isn't mdt.. And who says it's just for plds?
You would still put it in the PLD's "o ***I'm about to eat a nuke" macro.
I think the fact that other jobs would want this ring (Comet BLM, and drk, off the top of my head) only furthers his point that "current" ADL drops aren't "***"
If it works like migawari, which given the description it does, and has a ***threshold, which I bet it does, archon ring is worth *** all.
An extra 2 MAB (1 if counting Strendu ring!) for Comet is so gamebreaking and definitely worth the effort.
Sagasinger is lol.
An extra 2 MAB (1 if counting Strendu ring!) for Comet is so gamebreaking and definitely worth the effort.
Sagasinger is lol.
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Fenrir.Leoheart said: »
Archon ring isn't mdt.. And who says it's just for plds?
You would still put it in the PLD's "o ***I'm about to eat a nuke" macro.
I think the fact that other jobs would want this ring (Comet BLM, and drk, off the top of my head) only furthers his point that "current" ADL drops aren't "***"
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Ok, so any pld without aegis, Comet BLM, DRK, and SCH for kaustra, still a bit too situational to be worth a whole LS wasting their time to zerg ADL for. you could, instead, go farm coins with 3 parties in each zone and pull in 1200+ coins, sell those for about a month and make an aegis
Wow, gotta love SE's idea of what a "majority of players will likely be able to complete." Maybe the original intent of that release got skewed when they regionalized it for NA. Either way, SE can go *** themselves with this.
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Odin.Almont said: »
Wow, gotta love SE's idea of what a "majority of players will likely be able to complete." Maybe the original intent of that release got skewed when they regionalized it for NA. Either way, SE can go *** themselves with this.
Posted this on BG regarding this same consideration:
The "Average" player doesn't have a relic so this would mean the "Average" relic holder who, minus the recent influx of the easy access relics, were mostly competent end game players. Note-I'm not dissing new relic holders just saying you can't gauge a player based off having a relic anymore. So yes, I think the "average" relic holder should be able to do this trial especially if they built a relic old school and did those shitty 2k ws kill trials. That determination alone will help them. It is a lot but hey...it's that much more satisfying when you finish it. I, for one, am happy to see such a demanding trial that requires a good larger group of people to accomplish.
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It really should be 20 Arch DL KILLS, not Umbral Marrows. :/
That would at least promote team work, and would aid the few crazy people that actually *want* to get a Stage 2 lvl99 Relic. The Stage 1 Relic weapon holders could help out the Stage 2 person by helping kill ADL, and the person after Stage 2 wouldn't have to compete with Stage 1 Relics for Umbral Marrow. (or at least they'd only be competing with other Stage 2 Relics).
As it stands right now, I personally feel I have a MUCH better chance at completing 10 PWs or 60 Riftcinder/dross as opposed to fighting over the hordes of other relic holders for a lvl 99 Relic.
Not to mention, my relic is Gjallarhorn... ._.
That would at least promote team work, and would aid the few crazy people that actually *want* to get a Stage 2 lvl99 Relic. The Stage 1 Relic weapon holders could help out the Stage 2 person by helping kill ADL, and the person after Stage 2 wouldn't have to compete with Stage 1 Relics for Umbral Marrow. (or at least they'd only be competing with other Stage 2 Relics).
As it stands right now, I personally feel I have a MUCH better chance at completing 10 PWs or 60 Riftcinder/dross as opposed to fighting over the hordes of other relic holders for a lvl 99 Relic.
Not to mention, my relic is Gjallarhorn... ._.
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Gonna be easier to get 99 Emps at this point.
Completion of sadistic trials is far from satisfying and I feel sorry for any moron that actually submits themselves to completing another person's weapon at this point.
This has gotta be stage 2, I can't imagine this being stage 1, honestly. It sets the bar way too high.
Camate posted that the numbers on the trials are only placeholders for now. i would still go on the forums and let them know you are against what the trial currently is.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/19740-Ok...let-me-level-with-you-here-SE...?p=268004#post268004
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/19740-Ok...let-me-level-with-you-here-SE...?p=268004#post268004
Had someone telling me earlier that it's just like making relics back at 75.
It wasn't an acceptable time investment then and it isn't now.
It wasn't an acceptable time investment then and it isn't now.
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Completion of sadistic trials is far from satisfying and I feel sorry for any moron that actually submits themselves to completing another person's weapon at this point.
Maybe the moron is the person that cannot see how to balance the incentives for any "helpers". My shell is so eager we started 3 nights ago and I have people from outside our shell wanting to do it with us.
This seems more excessive than how it was making relics back at 75.
The thing with making a relic at 75 was, sure, you did a 3-4 hour event for 1 person (usually, relic armor I suppose, but a lot of that was useless) but it was only once every 3 days. Now, you'll be forced to do it nearly every day. It was bad enough twice a week, but five or more times? Who wants to do that ***?
It won't be as bad as a relic back in the day to just finish 1 99, but it will be to finish a whole LS of them.
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Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Completion of sadistic trials is far from satisfying and I feel sorry for any moron that actually submits themselves to completing another person's weapon at this point.
Maybe the moron is the person that cannot see how to balance the incentives for any "helpers". My shell is so eager we started 3 nights ago and I have people from outside our shell wanting to do it with us.
I don't think many people read the line, bolded in red;
※The number of items required for upgrade is temporary.
I'm sure they're looking to judge the reaction from the JP community only as they've never once taken anything into account from the other community's(Hello BST thread, hello circle weakness thread.)
That being said, I'm sure they wont have an issue with it at current value or even say they feel it's to low.
I personally think 20 is a bit steep, baring anything going wrong i.e. terra slash destroying your alliance with death, 5-10 seems more reasonable, sitting at 3 relics, with a 4th on the way, not counting the relics brought from out of shell.. and at current value needed to upgrade, I don't know many people that will be thrilled to farm 80 ADL, at which point I'm sure you'd way over cap on rings and mantles and NQ swords, maybe see 1 Sagasinger.
me personally, I'd rather farm 80 ADL for 16 relics, then farm 80 ADL for 4 relics.
※The number of items required for upgrade is temporary.
I'm sure they're looking to judge the reaction from the JP community only as they've never once taken anything into account from the other community's(Hello BST thread, hello circle weakness thread.)
That being said, I'm sure they wont have an issue with it at current value or even say they feel it's to low.
I personally think 20 is a bit steep, baring anything going wrong i.e. terra slash destroying your alliance with death, 5-10 seems more reasonable, sitting at 3 relics, with a 4th on the way, not counting the relics brought from out of shell.. and at current value needed to upgrade, I don't know many people that will be thrilled to farm 80 ADL, at which point I'm sure you'd way over cap on rings and mantles and NQ swords, maybe see 1 Sagasinger.
me personally, I'd rather farm 80 ADL for 16 relics, then farm 80 ADL for 4 relics.
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