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By Fenrir.Crystenne 2012-01-25 12:43:12
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Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
99 NQ trials according to JP test server are:
20 Umbral marrow for Relics(20 ADL drops)
10 Mulcibar's Scoria for Mythics(PW drops)
60 Riftdross/Riftcinder for Empyreans
Because 20 Arch dynamis lord drops are completable by an average player, yeah ok SE. *** you.

I think the correct answer they were looking for was 20, 10 and 60 KILLS for each respective weapon. That promotes teamwork.

This encourages me to flip a Goddamn table.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-01-25 12:43:34
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Cerberus.Deadplaything said: »
IF I did not read correctly , the items listed above are for the 95-99? then what is it for the afterglow?

you don't want to know lol...
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-01-25 12:44:36
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Fenrir.Crystenne said: »
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
99 NQ trials according to JP test server are:
20 Umbral marrow for Relics(20 ADL drops)
10 Mulcibar's Scoria for Mythics(PW drops)
60 Riftdross/Riftcinder for Empyreans
Because 20 Arch dynamis lord drops are completable by an average player, yeah ok SE. *** you.

I think the correct answer they were looking for was 20, 10 and 60 KILLS for each respective weapon. That promotes teamwork.

This encourages me to flip a Goddamn table.


i actually don't mind the emp stage. guess i'm gonna get 99 emp before i get a 99 relic. who'dathunk? lol
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-01-25 12:45:02
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Cerberus.Deadplaything said: »
IF I did not read correctly , the items listed above are for the 95-99? then what is it for the afterglow?
For that you have to be sodomized 50 times by Tanaka himself.
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By Bismarck.Recaldy 2012-01-25 12:46:27
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Can the NMs be worked into the Dynamis exp parties? :x
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-01-25 12:48:09
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Bismarck.Recaldy said: »
Can the NMs be worked into the Dynamis exp parties? :x

gathering the pops for it could, but actually doing the nm...probably not.

requires certain jobs/setup to take ADL down.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2012-01-25 12:48:14
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Bismarck.Recaldy said: »
Can the NMs be worked into the Dynamis exp parties? :x

I wouldn't want to do Arch DL with a pickup group.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-01-25 12:50:00
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Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
Seriously, do they want to encourage people to loot *** drops or something? I'd rather 100 kills than 20 drops easily.

I think they're bazaarable. Let's say some LS does arch-dynamis for drops and obtains these (maybe they'll implement them into dynamis more or even into legion). If they sell for.... 2M a pop? That's 1 days worth of currency. The average person who already has a 95 relic can probably stomach 40 dynamis runs to achieve the end of the relic road.

The crazy ones are welcome to do another 600 runs worth of buying :x
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2012-01-25 12:53:09
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
Seriously, do they want to encourage people to loot *** drops or something? I'd rather 100 kills than 20 drops easily.
I think they're bazaarable. Let's say some LS does arch-dynamis for drops and obtains these (maybe they'll implement them into dynamis more or even into legion). If they sell for.... 2M a pop? That's 1 days worth of currency. The average person who already has a 95 relic can probably stomach 40 dynamis runs to achieve the end of the relic road. The crazy ones are welcome to do another 600 runs worth of buying :x

My guess is well above 2,00,000 per. In the 10,000,000 range. Takes a quality ally to kill. This isn't something you farm up on your own with a lowman group.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-25 12:53:24
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Cerberus.Deadplaything said: »
IF I did not read correctly , the items listed above are for the 95-99? then what is it for the afterglow?

Relics were 300 ADL items.
Mythics were 100 PW items.
Empyrean IDR.

Umbral Marrow would average 15-20M given the Xarcabard requirement of an alliance to complete content. Commence the insanity of a luck-based ADL fight and you'll be ripping your hair out in no time.

Hit the wrong clone? SAD FOR YOUUUUU.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-01-25 12:55:19
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
Seriously, do they want to encourage people to loot *** drops or something? I'd rather 100 kills than 20 drops easily.

I think they're bazaarable. Let's say some LS does arch-dynamis for drops and obtains these (maybe they'll implement them into dynamis more or even into legion). If they sell for.... 2M a pop? That's 1 days worth of currency. The average person who already has a 95 relic can probably stomach 40 dynamis runs to achieve the end of the relic road.

The crazy ones are welcome to do another 600 runs worth of buying :x

that would be fine if it was something you could solo/duo/tribox. except you can't solo/duo ADL to my knowledge.

so i really doubt ADL upgrade items would sell for 2m a/piece try 20m /piece lol. it's still crazy HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. (also not to mention i doubt any1 would even sell these, since most would use them for their own relic) my ls has 19 relics in it atm. that means we have to

A) sacrifice our solo/duo runs

B) do 380 ADL kills.

i think we could do about 1relic to 99 per month....if we are lucky D:


tldr; this trial sucks, go petition SE please. lol
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-01-25 12:56:30
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
Seriously, do they want to encourage people to loot *** drops or something? I'd rather 100 kills than 20 drops easily.

I think they're bazaarable. Let's say some LS does arch-dynamis for drops and obtains these (maybe they'll implement them into dynamis more or even into legion). If they sell for.... 2M a pop? That's 1 days worth of currency. The average person who already has a 95 relic can probably stomach 40 dynamis runs to achieve the end of the relic road.

The crazy ones are welcome to do another 600 runs worth of buying :x
One issue with your numbers: there's a full alliance killing Arch DL, the opportunity cost in currency is much, much higher than that. Nynja posited 20 mil on BG after accounting for failures, and I'm inclined to agree or even potentially push that value higher.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-01-25 12:57:45
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I pulled a number out of my ***. I see your points.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-01-25 12:58:18
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Yeah an LS on my server has been selling them at 20mil before we knew about the trial being 20. I expect some people to pay much higher.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-25 13:01:48
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You're only going to be able to do one ADL/day barring any lucky ***with COR or mules. Lots of resources for very little gain to anyone barring that lucky person getting a marrow.

Were the Arch Diabolos' ruled out on dropping Marrow?
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By Ragnarok.Unctgtg 2012-01-25 13:02:00
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Welp my level 95 Relic looks good enough to me if indeed it is 20 marrows.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-01-25 13:03:39
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By Fenrir.Idevlboy 2012-01-25 13:13:56
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Considering the price drop in dynamis currency since the changes to dyna it is probably going to cost 4-5 times the value of a complete relic just to upgrade 1 to 99 :( and that is if peoples predictions about 20m hold true.

So if given the choice I guess I would just rather make 4 more 95 relics cuz I don't know 15 people (15 cuz i have 3 characters of my own) who would waste all that time to build just 1 relic to 99 and sacrifice all the relics they could have made during that time if they were farming coins.

If it ends up being this way it's going to be like the old days where only LS leaders of bigger shells will have the 99s. At least in the "old days" the people who weren't getting a relic still had something to gain because some of the gear was really good. Now most of the gear is obsoleted except for a hand full of +2s and if ur spamming ADL then you are not working on forgotten items or -1s
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By Phoenix.Darkzeru 2012-01-25 13:14:46
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Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
Yeah an LS on my server has been selling them at 20mil before we knew about the trial being 20. I expect some people to pay much higher.
Us :P

ADL is.......fun? -.-


And oh joy.....now i gotta get Riftdross too? I'm still working on Heavy Metal -.- Oh well atleast im 2/60 on dross lol It's a start


Let's see.....
Heavy Metal go for 100-120k on our server
Riftdross go for 300k although unsure if people are actually buying them for that much...just what I see in Bazaars

95= 100k *1500 = 150,000,000 (in value atleast)
99 = 300k * 60 = 18,000,000
99(+2) = 300k * 2000? = 600,000,000


Well then.....seems kind of a odd way of progression.....(in terms of price value)

Especially seeing that Riftdross only drops from 1 of 2 mobs.....1 I might add is somewhat difficult to kill *cough* Rex
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By Ragnarok.Unctgtg 2012-01-25 13:17:21
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I am waiting on a rep to come by and say, the number of items MAY not reflect what will be put into update.

"The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them."
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-25 13:18:36
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My LS has over two dozen relics. I do not enjoy the idea of having to take over two years of my Dynamis time getting them their lv99 relics.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2012-01-25 13:21:14
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
My LS has over two dozen relics. I do not enjoy the idea of having to take over two years of my Dynamis time getting them their lv99 relics.

Every trial that's come out for Amano I have rushed to get done. I haven't been the first done, because I haven't always had the time, but it's always been my priority each update. Such has been my dedication to my favored job.

If this trial stands and there is no additional method of obtaining marrows at a faster rate, I will most likely shift over to working on Masamune to 99 and a Yoichi to 95. Even I am not willing to pay the oppurtunity cost that this trial would require.

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By Bahamut.Bojack 2012-01-25 13:23:49
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It's so much worse because EVERYONE had thier hopes up for moderately easy NQ 99 relics (I know I did). I guess I'll just pretend like they never announced the NQ/HQ versions and stick with my 95 lol.
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By Quiznor 2012-01-25 13:23:51
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Its the buyers who are to fault if they're paying 400mil for level 99 upgrade.Like the idiots paying 90% of a relic for the 90-95 empyrean trials.

Edit: Im also glad to see 99.9% of the ffxi commnity still lives in the "lowman ALL the things" "i want everything in 2 days" mindset

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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-01-25 13:26:48
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
My LS has over two dozen relics. I do not enjoy the idea of having to take over two years of my Dynamis time getting them their lv99 relics.


Cheese sandwich doubles marrow droprate
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By Phoenix.Darkzeru 2012-01-25 13:26:51
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Like the idiots paying 90% of a relic for the 90-95 empyrean trials.


Eh most of my metals come from VW but if I do come across someone selling em for 100k you bet I'll attempt to get em.

And like you said....technically I could do a relic for the same price (to say I where to buy all 1500 metals) but my main (DNC) doesn't have a relic and i refuse to do mythic......too tedious for me. And only relic I'd consider doing is either rag or apoc and I'm not ready to mess with drk again
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-25 13:27:57
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Quiznor said: »
Its the buyers who are to fault if they're paying 400mil for level 99 upgrade.Like the idiots paying 90% of a relic for the 90-95 empyrean trials.

Really? It's not their fault really. Heavy Metal is one of the only things that still makes VW profitable/break even.

Do you want the alliance of 18 people to sell you their sole prize of a drop for the Dynamis run for 2m? Get real.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2012-01-25 13:29:43
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Quiznor said: »
Its the buyers who are to fault if they're paying 400mil for level 99 upgrade.Like the idiots paying 90% of a relic for the 90-95 empyrean trials.

There's a bit of both involved.

In the case of plates, paying 100k/per is excessive. But people buy them at that, so why sell less?

As for ADL drops, it's a full, skilled ally, more or less. Selling for a low amount would make no sense. =\

Edit: In the end, what it is -- no matter who you want to blame from the player base -- is frustration with the developers for dangling a carrot from a stick and then giving us more stick (...in the rear, none the less) than carrot.
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By Phoenix.Darkzeru 2012-01-25 13:32:09
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Quiznor said: »
Its the buyers who are to fault if they're paying 400mil for level 99 upgrade.Like the idiots paying 90% of a relic for the 90-95 empyrean trials.

There's a bit of both involved.

In the case of plates, paying 100k/per is excessive. But people buy them at that, so why sell less?

As for ADL drops, it's a full, skilled ally, more or lress. Selling for a low amount would make no sense. =\

Honestly I don't even see how a shout group would handle ADL seeing that he can be hit and miss depending when he splits lol not to mention the terror and the knockback move he does
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2012-01-25 13:34:21
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Quiznor said: »
Its the buyers who are to fault if they're paying 400mil for level 99 upgrade.Like the idiots paying 90% of a relic for the 90-95 empyrean trials. Edit: Im also glad to see 99.9% of the ffxi commnity still lives in the "lowman ALL the things" "i want everything in 2 days" mindset

As for your image edit:

Then don't. I would rather events I can do with 12 or fewer people than keep trying to do events that require 18+ people (when you figure in the inevitable mules) with a dwindling player base where skilled players (especially ones who aren’t ***) are quitting at a pretty high rate.
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