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By Lye 2012-02-01 14:01:18
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Cerberus.Kelhor said: »
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Never lament having a choice, even if both options suck.

Good point. I choose to stop feeding the troll.

I'm glad we agree!
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By Carbuncle.Shokox 2012-02-01 14:07:35
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
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Also... people didn't "ditch" the LS thing for low man abyssea. The game has died, people have grown up over the last 7 years. People have got lives, kids, jobs and stuff to attend to. This is not the hardcore game it used to be, and it never will be. If they try to make it hardcore again, it'll die faster than it already is. Server merger thing happened, populations on servers were huge again, but they've since thinned out in the course of 6-8 months and are back down to around the same populations before the mergers.
I keep seeing the RL and "grownup" card played. Again, having lives/job/stuff to attend to is not mutually exclusive to achieving your goals in a group setting.

It's not worth trying to argue with them. The more you try and explain that they're *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE for using that angle, the more they think "umad bro, umad" and will continue to say it. I posted earlier in this thread that my job, habits, and free time prohibit me from accomplishing as much in the game as some of the younger/college generation, but because I don't agree with him I must be some no-life nerd.

I got into a tiff with some kid in the "bring back ground king" thread because I make a hefty salary, go out often, and have no troubles with my love life (well meeting the girls anyhow.... finding a not bat-***crazy one is another story), and yet i needed to "get a life" because I didn't agree with their point of view.

Ad-hominem is the go-to when you don't have facts to back up your opinion in the debate.

Actually Seankp knows what he's talking about, but it's easy to house that argument when you don't see it from his perspective or know him at all.

You don't know him well, but I do. He works, he takes care of his girlfriend, he has a life outside of FFXI (a good one too), and he STILL gets things done in FFXI as well. Grandscale events. He leads the good majority of them too. ADL isn't beyond his capability, he can and will probably set up events for it soon if he hasn't already.

The fact that he's making is very true, and any one thinking against is blinded by something seen or un-for-seen. People don't want to hardcore this game anymore. Isn't this entire argument for lvl 99 weapons coming up because of a stupidly long list of BS to accomplish? One of which has a huge element of randomness (ADL) no matter what you do.

The game is reaching a 10 year mark. People ARE getting older and having lives now. However, people still love FFXI. It's not HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE to use the real life card when something like this pops up. I know you dudes are all still playing the game I used to play.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-02-01 14:11:14
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Carbuncle.Shokox said: »
Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
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Carbuncle.Seankp said: »
Also... people didn't "ditch" the LS thing for low man abyssea. The game has died, people have grown up over the last 7 years. People have got lives, kids, jobs and stuff to attend to. This is not the hardcore game it used to be, and it never will be. If they try to make it hardcore again, it'll die faster than it already is. Server merger thing happened, populations on servers were huge again, but they've since thinned out in the course of 6-8 months and are back down to around the same populations before the mergers.
I keep seeing the RL and "grownup" card played. Again, having lives/job/stuff to attend to is not mutually exclusive to achieving your goals in a group setting.
It's not worth trying to argue with them. The more you try and explain that they're *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE for using that angle, the more they think "umad bro, umad" and will continue to say it. I posted earlier in this thread that my job, habits, and free time prohibit me from accomplishing as much in the game as some of the younger/college generation, but because I don't agree with him I must be some no-life nerd. I got into a tiff with some kid in the "bring back ground king" thread because I make a hefty salary, go out often, and have no troubles with my love life (well meeting the girls anyhow.... finding a not bat-***crazy one is another story), and yet i needed to "get a life" because I didn't agree with their point of view. Ad-hominem is the go-to when you don't have facts to back up your opinion in the debate.
Actually Seankp know what he's talking about, but it's easy to house that argument when you don't see it from his perspective or know him at all. You don't know him well, but I do. He works, he takes care of his girlfriend, he has a life outside of FFXI (a good one too), and he STILL gets things done in FFXI as well. Grandscale events. He leads the good majority of them too. ADL isn't beyond his capability, he can and will probably set up events for it soon if he hasn't already. The fact that he's making is very true, and any one thinking against is blinded by something seen or un-for-seen. People don't want to hardcore this game anymore. Isn't this entire argument for lvl 99 weapons coming up because of a stupidly long list of BS to accomplish? One of which has a huge element of randomness (ADL) no matter what you do. The game is reaching a 10 year mark. People ARE getting older and having lives now. However, people still love FFXI. It's not HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE to use the real life card when something like this pops up.

Not only was I not implicating that, I was actually saying the opposite. I will chaulk it up to your broken English (genuine, not intended to insult) that you misunderstood me.
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By Lye 2012-02-01 14:12:14
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Fairy.Ghaleon said: »
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So you want some divine entity to absolve you of the guilt you CHOOSE to feel by providing incentive for your "friends" to assist you?

I want my friends to not have to essentially forfeit millions of gil to upgrade my weapon. Is that really so crazy?

Why shouldn't I be pissed off that my path to re-completing a weapon I already finished five damn years ago forces me to punish my friends, or pay them off, to compensate?

Mine wouldn't charge, but if the argument you want to come back with is, "just compensate them for the lost gil", then stop; that's an absolutely insane game mechanic, and anyone who says with a straight face that that's okay is huffing paint.

Actually, my reply would be: "5 years ago? Upon how many backs was your relic carried by then? Were you so generous then?" If you're friends time/gil means more to you than completing your "already finished weapon," then don't do it?

Never lament having a choice, even if both options suck.

back then people had "incentives" to go to dyna, Af2 and some shells even let you lot the 1st 100 piece.

honestly your logic has many holes, you should just stop now Trollin lol.
Fairy.Ghaleon said: »
Lye said: »
Cerberus.Kelhor said: »
Lye said: »
So you want some divine entity to absolve you of the guilt you CHOOSE to feel by providing incentive for your "friends" to assist you?

I want my friends to not have to essentially forfeit millions of gil to upgrade my weapon. Is that really so crazy?

Why shouldn't I be pissed off that my path to re-completing a weapon I already finished five damn years ago forces me to punish my friends, or pay them off, to compensate?

Mine wouldn't charge, but if the argument you want to come back with is, "just compensate them for the lost gil", then stop; that's an absolutely insane game mechanic, and anyone who says with a straight face that that's okay is huffing paint.

Actually, my reply would be: "5 years ago? Upon how many backs was your relic carried by then? Were you so generous then?" If you're friends time/gil means more to you than completing your "already finished weapon," then don't do it?

Never lament having a choice, even if both options suck.

back then people had "incentives" to go to dyna, Af2 and some shells even let you lot the 1st 100 piece.

honestly your logic has many holes, you should just stop now Trollin lol.

Now stop. Here's the deal. I realize that my opinion is WILDLY unpopular mostly because individuals of this opinion have no reason to post in this tragedy of a thread. I also realize that my tone/patterns of speech are meant to provoke some frustration among you, hence why you regard me as a troll.

Do you DISAGREE with this summary:

You want/need 5 Umbral Marrows:

You can:

A) Appeal to SE to provide incentive to players that will (directly or indirectly) garner support for relic holders to obtain Umbral Marrow.

B) Provide your own incentive (gil/help/sexting) to players to quid-pro-quot players into assisting you.

C) Choose not to upgrade your relic.



You choose A and lament the fact that it didn't work. I believe that you dismiss the viability of B or C. Is this incorrect?
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By Odin.Auronku 2012-02-01 14:14:38
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I don't understand this notion that it's a terrible design simply because you're going to require the help of people who don't have Relics and "they will get screwed". Nothing is stopping you from trying to pay back those people who helped you or help them in their own larger endeavors whether it be Empyreans or Mythics or something else.

Crunkie has summed it up pretty well. Yes, people in bigger linkshells come to ADL with little to no incentive to do so. They are rewarded in turn with points and/or gil produced from the event in addition to assistance with events that they do have an interest in when those come around. Dunno what to tell people really other than to learn a little give and take and understand that working with more than 5 other people isn't as unfeasible as it sounds.
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By Carbuncle.Shokox 2012-02-01 14:19:04
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Carbuncle.Shokox said: »
Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Lakshmi.Mahoro said: »
Carbuncle.Seankp said: »
Also... people didn't "ditch" the LS thing for low man abyssea. The game has died, people have grown up over the last 7 years. People have got lives, kids, jobs and stuff to attend to. This is not the hardcore game it used to be, and it never will be. If they try to make it hardcore again, it'll die faster than it already is. Server merger thing happened, populations on servers were huge again, but they've since thinned out in the course of 6-8 months and are back down to around the same populations before the mergers.
I keep seeing the RL and "grownup" card played. Again, having lives/job/stuff to attend to is not mutually exclusive to achieving your goals in a group setting.
It's not worth trying to argue with them. The more you try and explain that they're *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE for using that angle, the more they think "umad bro, umad" and will continue to say it. I posted earlier in this thread that my job, habits, and free time prohibit me from accomplishing as much in the game as some of the younger/college generation, but because I don't agree with him I must be some no-life nerd. I got into a tiff with some kid in the "bring back ground king" thread because I make a hefty salary, go out often, and have no troubles with my love life (well meeting the girls anyhow.... finding a not bat-***crazy one is another story), and yet i needed to "get a life" because I didn't agree with their point of view. Ad-hominem is the go-to when you don't have facts to back up your opinion in the debate.
Actually Seankp know what he's talking about, but it's easy to house that argument when you don't see it from his perspective or know him at all. You don't know him well, but I do. He works, he takes care of his girlfriend, he has a life outside of FFXI (a good one too), and he STILL gets things done in FFXI as well. Grandscale events. He leads the good majority of them too. ADL isn't beyond his capability, he can and will probably set up events for it soon if he hasn't already. The fact that he's making is very true, and any one thinking against is blinded by something seen or un-for-seen. People don't want to hardcore this game anymore. Isn't this entire argument for lvl 99 weapons coming up because of a stupidly long list of BS to accomplish? One of which has a huge element of randomness (ADL) no matter what you do. The game is reaching a 10 year mark. People ARE getting older and having lives now. However, people still love FFXI. It's not HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE to use the real life card when something like this pops up.

Not only was I not implicating that, I was actually saying the opposite. I will chaulk it up to your broken English (genuine, not intended to insult) that you misunderstood me.

My English isn't broken; I misunderstood you because your retort to the other guy was poor. (Thanks for seeing that I wasn't trying to insult however.) Sorry about that, lol.
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-02-01 14:21:06
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Sylph.Keriam said: »
You know, I certainly understand people complaining. My initial reaction was to complain too... but, if the great concern is people forming linkshell groups to get their items but then leaving when they get their drops... why not avoid that issue by everyone taking turns, one drop at a time?

Person #1 gets one. Person #2 gets one. etc. Person #18 gets one. Person #1 gets his second one... and so on.

Sure, Person #1 can leave after his five, but at least he's leaving everyone else at 4/5 (or something equally fair for people who have joined into this late and are only 2/5 or something.)

Don't get me wrong... I agree that we should encourage content rewarding EVERYONE who takes part, but it doesn't have to be so black-and-white. If a system doesn't work, find a way to make it work.

I was going to say this as well. same idea. but didnt because i realized its a waste of breath. the ppl complaining will still complain about your idea. biggest probably being "That would takes months before even a single person has a relic"

seriously people who complain will just keep on complaining until they get "Alight the new 99 relic trial is to kill Bubbly Burnie 5 times.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-02-01 14:21:21
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i pretty much disagree with everything lol. while i do think the trial sucks, it's still doable for me as long as i'm in a ls, and my ls offers no incentives to go we just try to help each other.

i also have no account on the OF, so i was not part of the QQ fest, nor would i have wasted my time with it even if i was.

i don't mind you taking an opinion and voicing it, but you are taking your opinion and antagonizing people with it, not to mention you keep making assumptions for half your arguments.
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By Lye 2012-02-01 14:21:44
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Sylph.Keriam said: »
If a system doesn't work, find a way to make it work.


THIS. You've gotten this far. Figure it out. I didn't see /sob as required for the next trial.
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By Carbuncle.Shokox 2012-02-01 14:23:23
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Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Sylph.Keriam said: »
You know, I certainly understand people complaining. My initial reaction was to complain too... but, if the great concern is people forming linkshell groups to get their items but then leaving when they get their drops... why not avoid that issue by everyone taking turns, one drop at a time?

Person #1 gets one. Person #2 gets one. etc. Person #18 gets one. Person #1 gets his second one... and so on.

Sure, Person #1 can leave after his five, but at least he's leaving everyone else at 4/5 (or something equally fair for people who have joined into this late and are only 2/5 or something.)

Don't get me wrong... I agree that we should encourage content rewarding EVERYONE who takes part, but it doesn't have to be so black-and-white. If a system doesn't work, find a way to make it work.

I was going to say this as well. same idea. but didnt because i realized its a waste of breath. the ppl complaining will still complain about your idea. biggest probably being "That would takes months before even a single person has a relic"

seriously people who complain will just keep on complaining until they get "Alight the new 99 relic trial is to kill Bubbly Burnie 5 times.

This is the truth. I didn't see much problem after the first fix to the trial that they agreed upon. There's a limit to asking for fixes and needless bitching just because. People are lazy.
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-02-01 14:24:11
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Lye said: »
Sylph.Keriam said: »
If a system doesn't work, find a way to make it work.


THIS. You've gotten this far. Figure it out. I didn't see /sob as required for the next trial.

Yes guys, everyone shut up and take it up the ***.

/whiners

*sarcasm off
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By Lye 2012-02-01 14:24:20
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Fairy.Ghaleon said: »


i pretty much disagree with everything lol. while i do think the trial sucks, it's still doable for me as long as i'm in a ls, and my ls offers no incentives to go we just try to help each other.

i also have no account on the OF, so i was not part of the QQ fest, nor would i have wasted my time with it even if i was.

i don't mind you taking an opinion and voicing it, but you are taking your opinion and antagonizing people with it, not to mention you keep making assumptions for half your arguments.

If you don't like my opinion, just block me. Again, you have the power.
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By Lakshmi.Mahoro 2012-02-01 14:27:20
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Odin.Auronku said: »
I don't understand this notion that it's a terrible design simply because you're going to require the help of people who don't have Relics and "they will get screwed". Nothing is stopping you from trying to pay back those people who helped you or help them in their own larger endeavors whether it be Empyreans or Mythics or something else.

Crunkie has summed it up pretty well. Yes, people in bigger linkshells come to ADL with little to no incentive to do so. They are rewarded in turn with points and/or gil produced from the event in addition to assistance with events that they do have an interest in when those come around. Dunno what to tell people really other than to learn a little give and take and understand that working with more than 5 other people isn't as unfeasible as it sounds.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make a couple pages back, except Auron said it more concisely than I did. Totally agreed.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2012-02-01 14:37:06
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Frankly, at this point, it is what it is. It will be implemented and I'll find a way to do it one way or another.

Knee-jerk reaction is that it's been done the wrong way. And I still feel that way. Lazy solution by the devs trying to find a cross between balance, difficulty and access. It's lame. But I want my 99. So it will get done somehow.

Edit: But at this point, we're all just shouting at each other like so many braying donkeys. We're not going to significantly change SE's mind about how they want to implement it. Some people will be more happy with it than others.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-01 14:38:55
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Edit: how the heck did I get into this thread!?
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-02-01 14:42:26
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Fairy.Ghaleon said: »


i pretty much disagree with everything lol. while i do think the trial sucks, it's still doable for me as long as i'm in a ls, and my ls offers no incentives to go we just try to help each other.

i also have no account on the OF, so i was not part of the QQ fest, nor would i have wasted my time with it even if i was.

i don't mind you taking an opinion and voicing it, but you are taking your opinion and antagonizing people with it, not to mention you keep making assumptions for half your arguments.

If you don't like my opinion, just block me. Again, you have the power.

done, blocked.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-02-01 14:59:47
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Edit: how the heck did I get into this thread!?
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By Bahamut.Danthebk 2012-02-01 15:30:04
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I think the real issue is, why the *** do we have trials to begin with. After doing an obnoxious grind to get the item (more related to those that have had theirs pre-change), why is there even more of an obnoxious grind to improve it.

We wouldn't even have to argue about this if they had done a better job transitioning the level cap from 75 to 99. It was just a messy, rushed, terribly planned, cluster *** when they attempted to increase the level cap.
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By Bismarck.Pauladeen 2012-02-01 15:39:18
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I think the real issue is, why the *** do we have trials to begin with. After doing an obnoxious grind to get the item (more related to those that have had theirs pre-change), why is there even more of an obnoxious grind to improve it.

We wouldn't even have to argue about this if they had done a better job transitioning the level cap from 75 to 99. It was just a messy, rushed, terribly planned, cluster *** when they attempted to increase the level cap.

You expected what, just talk to an NPC and "LOL K UR RELIC IS MORE POWERFUL NOW!"

... I mean really? WTF game are YOU playing?
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By Ragnarok.Crunkie 2012-02-01 15:41:01
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Bismarck.Pauladeen said: »
Bahamut.Danthebk said: »
I think the real issue is, why the *** do we have trials to begin with. After doing an obnoxious grind to get the item (more related to those that have had theirs pre-change), why is there even more of an obnoxious grind to improve it.

We wouldn't even have to argue about this if they had done a better job transitioning the level cap from 75 to 99. It was just a messy, rushed, terribly planned, cluster *** when they attempted to increase the level cap.

You expected what, just talk to an NPC and "LOL K UR RELIC IS MORE POWERFUL NOW!"

... I mean really? WTF game are YOU playing?

The "Test Server"
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By Bismarck.Pauladeen 2012-02-01 15:46:01
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Touché.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-02-01 15:48:18
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1-3 ADLs per run? I'm calling ***.

Clones using Tera Slash is an instant wipe, hitting a clone boils down to an element of luck and the time taken to farm up trigs is not enough to hammer out 3 ADLs in 2hours. Even if you do everything right at ADL, you can still lose. The drops that are currently semi-pricy would crash given any demand builds for ADL and a PUG would be lucky to even get to ADL before timing out.

SE encourages people to solo farm Dynamis for currency and then turns around and requires runs at ADL that have ***for benefits. Asking people to do all the CoP bosses + Icelands would have made more sense but we know SE doesn't know their heads from their ***.

If you're doing 1-3 ADLs (without prefarming) as an LS, show us the evidence because you're either a rare case or inflating the results of Xarcs to make the trial seem easier than it is.

Without bringing in a ton of mules, you're going to average 1 ADL per run. Last I recall, you weren't supposed to need an army of mules to be successful at this game but that makes it 'harder'. lol
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By Bahamut.Danthebk 2012-02-01 15:50:56
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Ragnarok.Crunkie said: »
Bismarck.Pauladeen said: »
Bahamut.Danthebk said: »
I think the real issue is, why the *** do we have trials to begin with. After doing an obnoxious grind to get the item (more related to those that have had theirs pre-change), why is there even more of an obnoxious grind to improve it.

We wouldn't even have to argue about this if they had done a better job transitioning the level cap from 75 to 99. It was just a messy, rushed, terribly planned, cluster *** when they attempted to increase the level cap.

You expected what, just talk to an NPC and "LOL K UR RELIC IS MORE POWERFUL NOW!"

... I mean really? WTF game are YOU playing?

The "Test Server"

At no point did I say that. What the *** were you reading. I'm saying, why the *** are there 6 of the exact same weapon with different stats on them. And why the *** did they even make trial of the magians in the first place.

You're still making assumptions based on a game that did a terrible job increasing the level cap. They either should have just left the Relics at the 75 cap or just not increased the level cap at all.

Or better yet, scaled the levels up better, exactly what I said in the intial post, which you apparently didn't understand. There's this very, very clear cut level 75 where everything starts happening. Pre-75 gear was ***, level 75 is where merits start happening. Why? What is so special about level 75 that justifies this exponential spike in quality gear and ability to increase your character and jobs potency?

Nothing anymore, because the cap is 99. So why the *** is level 75 so important to us. Why are you investing 100mil in a level 75 weapon? We're level 99 now.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-02-01 16:02:27
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
1-3 ADLs per run? I'm calling ***.

Clones using Tera Slash is an instant wipe, hitting a clone boils down to an element of luck and the time taken to farm up trigs is not enough to hammer out 3 ADLs in 2hours. Even if you do everything right at ADL, you can still lose. The drops that are currently semi-pricy would crash given any demand builds for ADL and a PUG would be lucky to even get to ADL before timing out.

SE encourages people to solo farm Dynamis for currency and then turns around and requires runs at ADL that have ***for benefits. Asking people to do all the CoP bosses + Icelands would have made more sense but we know SE doesn't know their heads from their ***.

If you're doing 1-3 ADLs (without prefarming) as an LS, show us the evidence because you're either a rare case or inflating the results of Xarcs to make the trial seem easier than it is.

Without bringing in a ton of mules, you're going to average 1 ADL per run. Last I recall, you weren't supposed to need an army of mules to be successful at this game but that makes it 'harder'. lol

believe what you what. this is with prefarming pops btw.

while i'm not going give you exact details on our strategy (not my place etc)

i assure you it is possible.
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So you're not going to give the exact details and I'm supposed to take it on faith that you aren't bullshitting us?

If it's possible then by all means drop the strategy bomb. You afraid of competition? We're not even on the same server.
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By Ragnarok.Crunkie 2012-02-01 16:06:48
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
1-3 ADLs per run? I'm calling ***. Clones using Tera Slash is an instant wipe, hitting a clone boils down to an element of luck and the time taken to farm up trigs is not enough to hammer out 3 ADLs in 2hours. Even if you do everything right at ADL, you can still lose. The drops that are currently semi-pricy would crash given any demand builds for ADL and a PUG would be lucky to even get to ADL before timing out.

Like I said, perhaps you have never fought the NM yourself, Nor farmed the pops as a stable 18 man alliance linkshell. Also if you have the correct party formations you can nullify his Tera Slash with the use of a 2hr ability from a certain job. The fight itself is like 3minutes. I'll see if anybody has recorded the fights. And you are correct, you can still wipe even if you do it perfect. I never mentioned anything about that.
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It's likely some form of wild card rotation or SMN mules. Could easily do more kills if you had excess smn, or a way to get PD back.
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By Ragnarok.Crunkie 2012-02-01 16:08:58
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
So you're not going to give the exact details and I'm supposed to take it on faith that you aren't bullshitting us?

If it's possible then by all means drop the strategy bomb. You afraid of competition? We're not even on the same server.

You can easily go to our guildwork website and see our stream. There is screenshots.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-01 16:10:10
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I think the real issue is, why the *** do we have trials to begin with. After doing an obnoxious grind to get the item (more related to those that have had theirs pre-change), why is there even more of an obnoxious grind to improve it.

We wouldn't even have to argue about this if they had done a better job transitioning the level cap from 75 to 99. It was just a messy, rushed, terribly planned, cluster *** when they attempted to increase the level cap.

You expected what, just talk to an NPC and "LOL K UR RELIC IS MORE POWERFUL NOW!"

... I mean really? WTF game are YOU playing?

The "Test Server"

At no point did I say that. What the *** were you reading. I'm saying, why the *** are there 6 of the exact same weapon with different stats on them. And why the *** did they even make trial of the magians in the first place.

You're still making assumptions based on a game that did a terrible job increasing the level cap. They either should have just left the Relics at the 75 cap or just not increased the level cap at all.

Or better yet, scaled the levels up better, exactly what I said in the intial post, which you apparently didn't understand. There's this very, very clear cut level 75 where everything starts happening. Pre-75 gear was ***, level 75 is where merits start happening. Why? What is so special about level 75 that justifies this exponential spike in quality gear and ability to increase your character and jobs potency?

Nothing anymore, because the cap is 99. So why the *** is level 75 so important to us. Why are you investing 100mil in a level 75 weapon? We're level 99 now.



1.) You should say what you mean, instead of implying otherwise. "th. After doing an obnoxious grind to get the item (more related to those that have had theirs pre-change), why is there even more of an obnoxious grind to improve it." sounds pretty much like "I want free item." Not that "I worked really hard for this item, now they can never raise the level cap because I don't want to do more work to make it keep up with my growth" is a lot better. (Actually, I'd argue it's worse).

2.) Everything else you said served to point out that at one point, the level cap was 75. Duh, it makes sense that a lot of the game would still be 75-centric. It was only the level cap for years. You can't re-centralize a complex system overnight.

3.) Here's another picture:
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