[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades

I wanna see the dev team go kill ADL 5 times and then tell us "Yeah, that should be do-able by most people with relics!". They spend the last 2 years making content that is designed for lower-man groups, and getting away from the large-scale linkshell, then put *** like this in.

3 PW ;o That's doable probably, I saw one in UpJeuno already that I could buy. I'm glad I did a mythic now!

ty for this.

see above post...

For people that are still in an established linkshell, yeah sure 5 days is great. How many people are in a linkshell that still schedules events, runs a DKP, ect though? 5 years ago, sure, once you hit 75, you generally joined a shell that did sea, sky ect. Nowdays, you just get a small group of friends, or shout, and get whatever you need. Most people aren't going to have the manpower to make this a 3-5 day trial.

Our last Xarcabard run as a linkshell we had time to farm nearly 3 full Arch DL sets from scratch and pop and kill 2 of them. Given better luck with Wild Card we had 20 minutes remaining to attempt the 3rd as well.

Agree fully that the nature of the fight makes you depend on luck to some degree so yes you can get screwed and you have to accept that. With an optimized farming and kill approach though, I'd go so far as to say you could produce 5 to 6 Marrows over the span of 2 runs utilizing Wild Card mules. Again, that assumes luck though. You're more likely to end up with 3 to 4 as Crunkie alluded to.

so? just cause you cant do it in 5 days doesnt mean its too hard... seriously. maybe it will take you months. but it will be worth it. and nothing is stopping you from making a new shell.

what this comes down to is people who are willing to put hard work into their weapons and people who want to be able get ***handed to them.

I have 1 pop on me and I'm 1/3rd the way through another pop right now :D

No it won't.

Right, so I make this new shell to work on relics. If someone doesn't have a relic, what am I offering them, an Archon ring? A sagasinger? There is 0 incentive for anyone to help on this fight. I could throw whatever curency happens to drop, but they would be better off soloing/lowmaning to make currency, since that is how SE designed the game in recent years. And no, I don't want anything handed to me. I made my bravura years before the dynamis update, I did the OLD WS numbers, I am willing to work for my relic, but I shouldn't have to turn my friends into slaves for my weapon.

i assume if you made a new shell the people who would join it would be like you... someone with a relic who wants to upgrade it.

So I should get 18+ people that need 5x marrows. 90 marrows total. Then I have to hope that everyone stays even after they get their 5 to help the rest of the people. Have you every actually been in an endgame shell? I have been in one, hell I have been a sack in a few, and it will not be as cut and dry as you make it sound.

obviously. so when 1 guy decides to leave then find another... its not like hes the last guy with a relic. and its not like hes going to get 5 before you or anyone else gets 1. you make it sound impossible when there are plenty of ls's out there doing it right now. and people who aren't complaining getting ready to do this. or atleast try

just annoying to see everyone complain when they see a difficult/time consuming quest. its a game. its meant to have challenges, you dont have to do it. a lvl 95 relic is nice enough.

@ramy
Are you sure you're 30 cause youre whinning like my 13 year old niece.

Seriously if you don't enjoy the grind involved in the game, you should just quit. If you don't like the effort required to maintain "pimp" status on your favorite jobs, play something else. They were initially 1000, then 20, now 5. In terms of ffxi, It doesn't get much easier than that.

Get a group together, upgrade your relics, then keep at it, sell the rest and split the money between your group. There is already quite a market for them.

Relics have the short end of the stick here, but it isn't that bad at least. I'm not looking forward to having to do it for the two dozen Relic weapons in my LS, but it's much better than 20.

Well, there's your answer: don't do it.

That wasn't so hard, was it?

This coming from the guy who got all of his stuff after the "easy" mode updates. The problem is, buddy, that when you do this with LS, you are in fact being "given" something. Going out and finding 18 people who would all be willing to kill it over and over and NOT leave after getting their 5? SUPERRRRR rare. Let's not kid ourselves, you are going to go with LS and they will be handed to you, or you will buy them. You aren't going to go and start a random static and complete 18 weapons, not even close.

These ADL kills are what most people hate. A lot of people's time/effort for one person's reward. Sure if you can find 18 people that all need upgrade and you all get it, that is ideal, but will not happen and you know it.

You are the one that comes off as younger, since you obviously can't grasp what he was trying to say, instead just randomly spout, "work for it! grind it and waste a shitload of time, that is FFXI"

ok

Chill.

But we are all spiced up Krizz!!!

"Whining" is always the knee-jerk reply when people are trying to defend the grindy nature SE resorts to when they lack any better response.

Yeah. I'm an entitled little princess, I guess.

Edit: honestly, if they left the drop rate and fight fine and just made the fight's drops itself more beneficial to people who just want to help, it would be 10x better. But that's not ok with some people, I guess.

So SE nuked the other thread because they know that we are right................ Just goes to show you they don't listen to us.

Damnit i was just going to post that too... they've lost thier freaking minds... i wonder if there is any way to mass inform SE's share holders about the gross incompetent handling of this game in many respects.

Considering it is a japanese company if they were more publicly losing face over this it might actually have an effect, and i mean that as opposed to just losing face with their player base, that ship has sailed a while back now.

i'm curious to know if the JP rage threads also got nuked, and how if so the JP player base is responding.

Like I said, SE doesn't give a *** about us, so why give a *** to play their game anymore?

I have not read through every single post but here is what I think.

SE has been building this game from 75-99 for a while now, Abyssea and Voidwatch has kept us entertained(or annoyed at the grinding) and are now working on making an endgame again.

They wanted to make Abyssea more of a place for casual gamers, who can achieve goals in small groups, and we have learned to play with even less people as the levels have increased.
So they have to start making new endgame events, this will bring people together more, and I can see fights being even better.

I have watched how SE interacts with its fanbase more then ever before, they opened up official forums, they opened up a test server, they are constantly asking for feedback so they can try and balance(Yes I said it..) certain jobs and moves.
They seem to have a long term plan in use, and they have been asking for feedback involving the enhancement of older content like Einherjar, Limbus and Nyzul Isle.

Legion will be a good start, and they can surely add more tiers of Voidwatch, they could even give us new areas of Dynamis if they really wanted too, as well as new HNMs to kill outdoors? You never really know what it is over the horizon when it comes to SE.
They have been building us up too strong as of late, anyone can get all jobs to 99 with enough time, and they have made empyreans and relics so much more accessible to the average player.

I am working on a Redemption now, always wanted a cool scythe, granted the WS may suck, but I'm working on it because you never know, they might adjust the weapon skill in the future?

Don't knock SE before they make the mistakes.. just wait for them to truly screw up then express your concerns. I am sure they have lots of feedback about what trials people are looking for when it comes to relic/mythic/empy and I am sure the trials will be fair after all these updates.

If you don't like it, you can quit the game, or just play the game and enjoy doing new content with friends? Peace.

I never really get the "if you don't like it, just quit" stuff. I mean, you arent suppose to voice a concern and just leave without saying a word?

@Kimble Funny this cant be the first or even second time you've said exactly that or i'm having extreme dejavu either way

@SEwhiteknight how is quiting going to solve the problem?

Ya know what i will knock SE and here's why, if we let them implement stuff we don't agree with no contest they will refuse to change it later, or at least wait till said change no longer matters and the reason is due to the cultural difference, to change it after the fact is to admit they were wrong, our current dev team would much rather bull rush through the china shop blind folded then admit they can't see.

The player base made a statement, followed by a continuous loop of beating a dead horse until there is nothing left of it.

I think the point of making that kind of statement is to point out that it's a game. It should be played for entertainment(whatever that may mean to the individual), if something about it makes an individual so extremely angry maybe they should re-evaluate why they are even playing it at all?

Are we going the get an easier time with making mythic weapon's? i find it arbitrary to spend day in and day out for 30,000 alexandrite the other stuff is doable but ffs 30,000 is a rediuclous number compared to how fast it is to burn a relic/empyrean weapon... there's got be some difference in mythic weapon difficulty if SE is going to make it stupid easy to build a relic now, and the sheer simplicity of getting an empyrean weapon.