[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades

I think I've had enough "opportunity" with all the trials I have done so far.

As if it's going to take a month to finish one, or even worse, find people foolish enough to think they'll get a fair split of whatever you promise by starting an LS that would be meant to get you a stage 99.

This is insane grind over re-polished old events, and it's neither a punishment or an opportunity (An opportunity? Really?). It's just SE digging as deep as they can into your time and wallet. To think people go all the way to saying "I'm ok with it" makes me understand there really is no hope left.

Stop quoting "achievable by most players".
The initial post clearly meant: "achievably by most players Who have a relic"
So those most of those "few" players who have a relic will be able to achieve it. "Most". Not all. Maybe not you, but most others.
I remember how people used to do found dynamis shell, spammed city runs over 4 hours for weeks to get their relic.
Now relic has become somewhat easy, some relics cost barely 100mil (excluding the last 30 100s), with lots of patience you might look at even less. If the initial upgrade has become easier, the final upgrade is made a little harder. Sounds fair to me.

I'm not sure you're firing on all cylinders buddy

I have NOTHING against putting MY OWN hard work into things. I have something against other people's hard work not being properly rewarded.

But then again, your language indicates that we apparently feel very differently about relics at the core.

You talk about exclusive. I could give a piss about my relic being exclusive. I have a relic because I want to be the best I can be at my job of choice and I want to be able to max it out through my own effort or combined efforts rewarding other people who are doing the same.

Making relics so you can lord it over people and act superior to them in an online game is a mindset that I can’t even begin to understand, let alone condone.

I really hate people like that.

This is a game.
You are not obligated to do anything.
I have a Mandau 95 and three empyreans at 90 which I most likely will not be upgrading. It is my choice and I am totally fine with the trials. Noone forces you to do anything.
I can still enjoy the game without a 99 weapon. I might do it eventually, but for now, I am happy for those who achieve their 99s and can be proud of it once again.

I agree. relics are suppose to be a challenge. now anyone who has 2 hours a day and is planning on playing for 6 months can obtain a relic. but now not everyone will have the best relic. 99.. the 99 relic is what use to be the relic of 75. it is a hard, long goal to obtain. and worth it. a 40% increase to the ws is nice.

The answer to your issue of "others aren't being properly rewarded" is simple. Either

A. They to have relics that need to be 99. so if they help you do yours. you will help them get theirs

B. if they dont have a relic then either the drops off ADL will be something they want.

C. Just helping a friend and having a fun/hard/nice battle will be reward enough.

Even though I personally do like it if some things are left exclusive, it is not the only justification which people who are content with these trials have:
You said you worked hard to get a weapon that is best for the job of your choice.
You did and you got it. For Level 75.
Now you are expecting to get free upgrades, gradually, after every level cap, because you once did the work for a Lv75 relic.
With that argumentation, anyone who has worked hard acquiring level 75 equipment /weapons could demand the same free gradual enhancement of their equipment with every new level cap.
But people's equipment kept getting outdated.
All of us had to get new pieces every update and put ones already in our possession into storage.
My point: you already got extremely easy trials for lv80-95, be happy with that.
In no game, you can achieve something once and then sit on that achievement for the rest of your playtime. It would make things boring, would it not?

I want to fully upgrade my weapons, but I don't want to waste me and my friends time with poorly designed, and in the case of relics, luck based trials. Therefore, I am obligated to dissent.

@ Ultima: Cause spending years in Dynamis to get yourself and (rightfully) everyone else who helped their finished relic 99 is fun?

Actually, he's not expecting free upgrades. He just wants something where other people stand a chance to get a reward for participating in the upgrade process.

To be honest, they should add 100 pieces to ADL's drop pool at a high drop rate. Either that or actually give it drops people might, you know, want.

It would alleviate the issue somewhat.

A. You help them with theirs, then they disappear.
B. And they can compete with the other 18 people who want the same item.
C. People are greedy and could care less about this, honestly.

When did two hours of your day, every day for an entire six months become a casual thing? Maybe when the game was released and people playing it were 18-22 years old. But most dedicated players who have been playing since the get-go are pushing 30. We have jobs. Families. Responsibilities. But we still want to be playing and enjoying a game into which we’ve already invested massive amounts of time.

If you want to translate that into real life funds, if you took the 14 hours a week I spend doing Dynamis and apply my pay rate at work, the time you’re quoting to make a level 75 relic translates into almost $8,000.

And I don’t make that much, in the grand scheme of things.

Also, a point on game mechanics, it’s a 40% boost to the base weapon skill, it’s only a 15% boost over the level 95 version of the weapon. If it was 40% over the level 95 version, this becomes at least a little more reasonable.

Great idea.

Really?^^ You want to? Well I want it, too.
I WANT the afterglow, too. Would you like me to make a list of things I want for you?

Not getting us anywhere, moving on.

I would, yes. Except I would like my list to be completed this century, thanks.

Truth be told, I would rather ADL was a VWNM-type fight where he popped a chest afterward and one of the possible rweards was Umbral Marrow.

Would also make this a lot easier and more readily doable.

To be honest, the best way to adjust it would be to implement Relic Armor +3 requiring 1-2 drops from ADL per upgrade.

Have the drop pool look like

Sword (NQ/HQ) (??%)
Ring or Cape (??%)
Umbral Marrow (100%)
100 piece (100%)
100 piece (50%)
Relic+3 Upgrade (100%)
Relic+3 Upgrade (100%)
Relic+3 Upgrade (50%)
Relic +3 Upgrade (25%)

It's the best way I can see a large number of people benefitting. But, it's pointless to discuss because they won't do it.

I don't get where you keep getting off on thinking that the player-base doesn't have the right to complain about content in the game they've played for several years, some going on a decade. Hundreds of dollars, probably thousands just from one person alone. The game is not what it used to be, not by a long-shot and having a linkshell to accomplish some of these goals anymore isn't just as easy as shouting for members in Jeuno or telling your ls leader,"Hey! Let's go do this for me."
In short, your sarcastic remarks aren't doing anything for the conversation.

PauladeenSylow needs to work for SE :)

I'd readjust Selbina Butter.

You have to realize that this stuff is geared towards JP players. We have hardcore people on the NA/EU/AU front but as a culture JP play more and tend to cooperate in things a hell of a lot better than we do.

That's kind of what I said on the bottom of the last page!

I typically skip everything you type cause you're icky. Sorry! <3

This isn't entirely my experience. And I've done my share of playing with Japanese players. They can be every bit as opportunistic and greedy as NAs. It comes down to the person. Not the culture.

There is, however, the desired perception of Japanese culture that they are more cooperative and supportive of the whole (Kokutai, go).

And as perception is so important, I suppose that it's every bit as valid to cite this as a reason.

Another thing that I notice is that a lot of Japanese and Korean players are able to play from work…pretty much at will. At least the ones in my linkshell are. Which is god damned frustrating at times, let me tell you. /jealousy

I think that wanting something has little to do with whether or not you get it. SE seems to want to make the very last upgrade be exceptionally difficult to complete - making it so that only a very few people complete it. I just don't see the big deal in that.

Should everyone be able to do everything? Maybe, maybe not. But think about this: Everyone includes both the person who has accomplished everything in ffxi and has a billion gil as well as the full perle warrior dual weilding swords. What's an achievement for the former is already impossible for the latter, and an achievement for the latter is very old news for the former. How do you keep these two extremes happy? To me, you make something that takes time and effort to attain, but that is pretty much doable by anyone. Then, you add some steps further down that path that are exceptionally challenging. No one has to go down it.

It's simple: Did "you" put time and effort into your relic/mythic and are you happy with the results? Then be happy with the results.

A whole bunch of this outcry against the trials - that aren't even in the game yet - sounds so very much like whining.

Think about this, too: Right now, let's say that 1% of applicable players can complete a level 99. People moan and write emails and fill forums, and SE makes it easier. What then? Can %50 achieve it? What about the other 50%? Don't they deserve it too? (And you're already going to start having people whining that it's too easy.) So what then? Make it a full 100%? Then you get a lot more people saying it's too easy, afk Port Jeuno, etc.

Someone suggest a way for everyone to be able to finish a 99, that is challenging but not insane for every skill set, and maybe someone will listen. Good luck.

You are absolutely right. I have been playing this game for a very long time and on two servers and it has been my experience that the JP seem to organize better, but you are correct in saying that I should not generalize.

I think it's asinine to argue that someone who has completed an already difficult (in terms of time, save me the nothing is hard argument) challenge for their Relic/Mythic/Empyrean "Ultimate" weapon doesn't "have!" to go down the path of upgrading it to its final level.

I suppose you don't "have!" to level your job to 99 either, or +2 your armor, or use temp items in VW.

But they are there, and you've already earned them or most of them, so it would be pretty HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE to not go ahead and want to do the trials, make yourself better, or finish something you've already invested countless hours into.

Penalize the players who play more than me like they did in FFXIV!!