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By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-01-25 19:42:14
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Harder? The only thing relics really require is gil.. unless you honestly consider the small time NMs as a challenge? At least for empyreans you have to kill NMs a lot of times. Relics are only limited by the players pocket and servers currency supply.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-01-25 19:49:39
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If relics aren't harder, why do you have 7 Emps and no relics? I don't care that you don't have one, hell, I didn't have one until recently, but I'm not going to fool myself into believing that they're incredibly easy to come by either. Anyone with a pocket book can buy anything, alright? Let's just go ahead and toss that argument right out the window because it's flat out stupid.
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By Ragnarok.Nekonarf 2012-01-25 19:52:06
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Cant buy a relic if hes busy buying over priced items for MDT.
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By Sylph.Zohnax 2012-01-25 19:54:22
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Harder? The only thing relics really require is gil.. unless you honestly consider the small time NMs as a challenge? At least for empyreans you have to kill NMs a lot of times. Relics are only limited by the players pocket and servers currency supply.
Can buy empy items too, technically speaking.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-01-25 19:57:50
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Not as easily as you can buy currency.
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By Sylph.Zohnax 2012-01-25 20:02:05
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Not as easily as you can buy currency.
While true, the option is still there and there are a lot of linkshells/lowman groups who will do it for the gil. It's more or less the same as looking through bazaars for currency, since you're just looking through linkshells/people who will sell.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-01-25 20:06:55
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Ragnarok.Nekonarf said: »
Cant buy a relic if hes busy buying over priced items for MDT.

I have my reasons for not having a relic, mainly because I don't care for one.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-01-25 20:07:06
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Not as easily as you can buy currency.
Just as easy, if not easier, and for about 1/7th the price.
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-01-25 20:12:36
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
If relics aren't harder, why do you have 7 Emps and no relics? I don't care that you don't have one, hell, I didn't have one until recently, but I'm not going to fool myself into believing that they're incredibly easy to come by either. Anyone with a pocket book can buy anything, alright? Let's just go ahead and toss that argument right out the window because it's flat out stupid.

Fact is a relic isnt hard to obtain. its just costly. why spend 150+mil on an item when its empy counterpart is just as good if not better? and wayyyyy cheaper to make. i would assume the reason dray doesnt have a relic is because A. i dont think blu can use a relic and B. why spend 150+mil on jobs you dont care that much about?

The only reason why im doing a relic is because i love Drk and apoc is seksi. Fact is relics arnt hard cost more costly to obtain. and there are only a few relics out there worth getting.
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2012-01-25 20:13:50
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Yes because in abyssea you have to compete against 12 beastmasters just to claim an easy prey mob...
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-01-25 20:15:30
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Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
Yes because in abyssea you have to compete against 12 beastmasters just to claim an easy prey mob...

Farming all your own currency makes it way harder to obtain a relic yes.... but buying the currency makes it easy (not as easy as a emp)
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-01-25 20:17:02
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With all the ways to make gil these days, you don't even have to step into Dyna unless you want to speed that process up.
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2012-01-25 20:19:38
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If gil is so easy to make, why do I see so many level 90 empys?
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-01-25 20:21:20
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They have other things they want to spend their gil on?
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2012-01-25 20:21:50
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Like?
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-01-25 20:22:25
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Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
If gil is so easy to make, why do I see so many level 90 empys?

whats that have to do with gil? plates are hard to come buy. its not like ppl dont have the gil to buy them. (also note that for me i dont care about the jobs i have an emp for so im not wasting gil on the 95 version)
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-01-25 20:22:33
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A relic or a mythic?
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2012-01-25 20:23:07
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Ok...but we're talking about people here who say have 7 empys and no relics.
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2012-01-25 20:24:03
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Also, I don't see much else left anymore on the game that makes as much gil as farming dynamis.
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-01-25 20:24:33
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Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
Like?

ocelomeh+1 head. VW. other new armor like brego gloves and nomkahpa gloves or w/e. idk theres a lot of new armor out there thats a bit pricey.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-01-25 20:24:52
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I don't have a relic for reasons that are my own, I don't have to explain it to you. If you honestly feel that relics are hard to make I feel sorry for you.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-01-25 20:25:07
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Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
If relics aren't harder, why do you have 7 Emps and no relics? I don't care that you don't have one, hell, I didn't have one until recently, but I'm not going to fool myself into believing that they're incredibly easy to come by either. Anyone with a pocket book can buy anything, alright? Let's just go ahead and toss that argument right out the window because it's flat out stupid.

Fact is a relic isnt hard to obtain. its just costly. why spend 150+mil on an item when its empy counterpart is just as good if not better? and wayyyyy cheaper to make. i would assume the reason dray doesnt have a relic is because A. i dont think blu can use a relic and B. why spend 150+mil on jobs you dont care that much about?

The only reason why im doing a relic is because i love Drk and apoc is seksi. Fact is relics arnt hard cost more costly to obtain. and there are only a few relics out there worth getting.
The fact is, he's making it out to be something it's not. All of the above is completely irrelevant. Anything can be bought. That's not an argument for why it's easier or harder because it applies to everything. A Relic, when made from scratch, is much more effort solo than making an Empyrean. That's all I'm saying. He's making it out to be incredibly easy, and if it is so, why doesn't he have one? He invested his time into an Ochain, so obviously he cares about his PLD. Aegis would certainly diversify its usage.

Relics are an undertaking. If you've got the gil just lying around and you whimsically wanna make one, sure, it's not all that difficult... but what'd you do to get that gil? The effort was put in some where, it just wasn't applied with the intent of a relic.
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By Odin.Almont 2012-01-25 20:25:29
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Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
and there are only a few relics out there worth getting.

Thing is the idea of one item or another being "worth getting" is all subjective to each person. If it's something they really want for a job they really enjoy playing then it could be totally worth it, to them.
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-01-25 20:25:42
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Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
Also, I don't see much else left anymore on the game that makes as much gil as farming dynamis.

i make a ***tone FC partying. sorry but 4.8mil every 4ish hours and doing 2-3 a night gets you gil fast
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2012-01-25 20:26:51
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Relics are easy as piss to make.
I have two mandaus so my opinion is obviously more important now.
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-01-25 20:28:21
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
If relics aren't harder, why do you have 7 Emps and no relics? I don't care that you don't have one, hell, I didn't have one until recently, but I'm not going to fool myself into believing that they're incredibly easy to come by either. Anyone with a pocket book can buy anything, alright? Let's just go ahead and toss that argument right out the window because it's flat out stupid.

Fact is a relic isnt hard to obtain. its just costly. why spend 150+mil on an item when its empy counterpart is just as good if not better? and wayyyyy cheaper to make. i would assume the reason dray doesnt have a relic is because A. i dont think blu can use a relic and B. why spend 150+mil on jobs you dont care that much about?

The only reason why im doing a relic is because i love Drk and apoc is seksi. Fact is relics arnt hard cost more costly to obtain. and there are only a few relics out there worth getting.
The fact is, he's making it out to be something it's not. All of the above is completely irrelevant. Anything can be bought. That's not an argument for why it's easier or harder because it applies to everything. A Relic, when made from scratch, is much more effort solo than making an Empyrean. That's all I'm saying. He's making it out to be incredibly easy, and if it is so, why doesn't he have one? He invested his time into an Ochain, so obviously he cares about his PLD. Aegis would certainly diversify its usage.

Relics are an undertaking. If you've got the gil just lying around and you whimsically wanna make one, sure, it's not all that difficult... but what'd you do to get that gil? The effort was put in some where, it just wasn't applied with the intent of a relic.

you are being hypocritical. fact is you can solo or buy a relic or an empy. the only difference on a relic is that it cost a lot more, yes a empy is easier.. but both are still easy to obtain. a Mythic is the only one that is difficult to obtain. because you actually have to do ***for it
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By Asura.Arkanethered 2012-01-25 20:28:22
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If they leave this as it stands... I think they should add Marrows to the NQ Dynamis lord... That would be more tolorable to most players imo.

Our trials have been following the progression of NMs from old dynamis... Not fair imo to have the final NM be a Arch NM.

Leave the 5x drop on ADL for people who have minions.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-01-25 20:31:10
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Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
you are being hypocritical. fact is you can solo or buy a relic or an empy. the only difference on a relic is that it cost a lot more, yes a empy is easier.. but both are still easy to obtain. a Mythic is the only one that is difficult to obtain. because you actually have to do ***for it
How is that in any way hypocritical? Comparing two things of similar properties by two different standards is an ill-comparison. I'm pointing this out.
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-01-25 20:38:39
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
you are being hypocritical. fact is you can solo or buy a relic or an empy. the only difference on a relic is that it cost a lot more, yes a empy is easier.. but both are still easy to obtain. a Mythic is the only one that is difficult to obtain. because you actually have to do ***for it
How is that in any way hypocritical? Comparing two things of similar properties by two different standards is an ill-comparison. I'm pointing this out.

Just because you make it more difficult for yourself to obtain you relic compared to a emp doesnt me it is. Fact is im halfway to having my apoc... and it hasnt been hard "At All". i would be closer if i didnt have 9 other jobs i have to get gear for and VW. a relic takes longer to make than a empy yes... but they are still easy to obtain. because they can both be "Bought" making it easy.

***the new sparkly weapons in VW are more annoying/harder to get than a relic/emp.
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