The Rokkenjima Murder Case - Umineko Spoilers

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it is tricky, since a lot of the games/chapters/scenarios presented do not give out a lot of "facts" that overlap...
what seems to be a constant, is that the whole family and servants are in the island, only Eva and Ange survive (Ange wasnt there of course), George x Shannon relationship, Jessica x Kanon crush, the old's man obsession for Beato, creating the tale of the witch (while only being a Mistress), and everyone personalities... so here goes.



-During a heated discussion between the sibblings, someone's switch is flipped on (probably Rosa?) ends up killing someone by mistake or on purpose in her heated rage (kills Rudolf and Shannon, who witnessed the incident) and while feeling sorry for the incident, this causes someone else to loose it and become the real assassin(s) (there is a possibility there are 2 not working together, one of them being Kyrie?). one killer takes out the other, and in the end, the remaining ones alive is the Killer, Battler and Eva.
as they flee toward the outer (secret) mansion, battler confronts the killer, and due to some blunder from Eva, Battler dies, the killer hurt as well, Eva finish him/her off and hides.

something like this would explain why Eva was the survivor, wanting to regain a happy life with Ange (who got overwhelmed by rumors and gossip) started to blame Eva, but because Eva did kill(or got killed) someone from Ange's family, the uneasiness from the guilt, sadness, trauma and rage of what happened in Rokkenjima and Ange's blaming attitude, she turns bitter and sour~

as for Battler's constantly reliving said events, they could be a "dream" or "life flash before your life" as he died, or after dying, being in Purgatory reliving said events unable to move on ?

It seems sound, but where does Battler's sin come into play? The exact wording escapes me, but it's said that "Because of [Battler's] sin, everyone dies. None survive." or something. The "none survive" part doesn't really matter since it could be describing THAT particular game board in which everyone really does die. I'd like to draw focus to the first part where Battler is directly responsible for the Rokkenjima disaster. What do you think he did six years ago that prompted someone to freak out in 1986?

Also, you've touched on something called "Rokkenjima Prime" which is a very popular fan theory and an essentially extension of something called "Author Theory" (which I won't go into for spoilers' sake). You noted that there were constants amongst the different stories. There is a lot of evidence to support a "true" universe which serves as the foundation for Beatrice's stories. The message bottle letters are often cited. What do you think the 'true' Rokkenjima Prime is? Or does one even exist?

By extension, what exactly 'is' the meta-world? Who is Beatrice, and what is her motive?

My personal take on it is something like this, actually.
Essentially all of Umineko is Battler -trying- to remember the Rokkenjima disaster with Ikuko, and the book/forgery writing is partly therapy for him. He himself is trying to arrive at the truth with Ikuko's help exploring the possibilities using the forgeries. Once again supports the existence of Author Theory.
A bit farfetched, but heavily suggested by the Touya-Ikuko scenes in EP8.

I also like the more straightforward "everything is an extended metaphor for Ange coming to terms with the death of her entire family, and getting over her immense hatred of Eva, or blablahblah" explanation as well.

both could be very possible. initially i got the impression it was the ange case, but started to lean more towards the idea you said between battler and ikuko.

also on another note, all the characters seem to have "vessels" in reality (bern=ikuko's cat, ronove=genji etc) i wonder how Lambda fits into this? i mean obviously given her name meaning 34 in greek and her appearance, she is a heavy influence leading from higurashi, just like Bern, but i never managed to find her connection to a "mystery" answer to the story. as where a "magic" answer reason for her would be simply... she's a witch.

Once you realize that the Love Duel in EP6 is a big metaphor then the pony thing in EP3 makes a lot of sense

I like how Higurashi is about defeating "certainty" while Umineko is basically about defeating "miracles."
Bernkastel starts off as an elusive being and is "good" to people she favors. But as time goes on, we realize she's heartless and completely unreliable (the true nature of miracles).

The scene in EP3 with Ange's jumping off the skyscraper is really where things go wrong in the series. Ange allows herself to rely on a "miracle" to bring everyone back. She is unable to move on with her life because she just can't accept that
a.) Eva didn't do it, and
b.) Everyone will never come back to her.

"Defeating Bernkastel" really means that Ange stops relying on the miracle that will never come. She ultimately has to stop giving into that temptation in order to move on.

Another funny parallel:

1.) Early on, Battler wishes to solve the mysteries that Beato presents to him, but he really is trying to avoid the horrible truth that one of his family members is a terrible person. This screws him because he has to rely on a 19th person, one that doesn't exist. It's not until he comes to term with the brutal reality that he can win.

2.) Ange succombs to the allure of 'the miracle' but at the same time wishes to know the truth of what happened that day. When she DOES reach 'the absoulte truth' she rejects it because she isn't satisfied with it! She instead relies on the miracle until the last scenes of EP8.

"You told me you would come back for me, riding on a white horse" and then Battler laughs at her, from the beginning of EP3