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 Bahamut.Darkelv
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By Bahamut.Darkelv 2012-06-07 14:27:12
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Hello,

my current Last Stand set is:


and I did some quick testings in aby and my best results were with GH, VV and SA

no other atma combination with 3x AGI+ atmas did as good.
Is that normal?

Thank you for any information.
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-06-07 17:34:43
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Asura.Kenrusai said: »
AF3 body if racc is a problem
This was in response to using Tessera Saio a while back.

For quick reference:

tessera vs. AF3+2

The 1 agi/str upgrade is nice, but whats the value on velocity shot bonus from caban +2? I always thought it was percentage and I would think it beats 17 but I never found anything concrete.
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-06-07 17:40:16
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http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Sylvan_Caban_%2B2

Sylvan Caban +2's effect on Velocity Shot -
"Enhances Velocity Shot reduces delay by 10% (+5 Snapshot)
Must be worn when the shots are started, though not necessarily when Velocity Shot is activated."
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-06-07 17:43:05
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I know it gives more snapshot but I've seen multiple people say it adds ranged attack as well.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-06-07 17:51:04
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I've never seen that claim substantiated.
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-06-07 19:05:29
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Then I was misinformed, tessera ftw.
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By Bahamut.Darkelv 2012-06-08 11:48:09
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Bahamut.Darkelv said: »
Hello,

my current Last Stand set is:


and I did some quick testings in aby and my best results were with GH, VV and SA

no other atma combination with 3x AGI+ atmas did as good.
Is that normal?

Thank you for any information.
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2012-06-08 16:12:07
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Quick upgrade to your last stand set would be upgrading your ammo to Adaman bullets.

I can't stress this enough, rangers are losing out on tons of damage by not using the best ammunition available. At the very least in their weaponskill macro.
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-06-08 16:34:28
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Asura.Hotsoups said: »
Quick upgrade to your last stand set would be upgrading your ammo to Adaman bullets.

I can't stress this enough, rangers are losing out on tons of damage by not using the best ammunition available. At the very least in their weaponskill macro.

This so much, the difference in ws damage can be 1k+
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By Carbuncle.Shokox 2012-06-10 14:27:58
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Bahamut.Darkelv said: »
Hello,

my current Last Stand set is:


and I did some quick testings in aby and my best results were with GH, VV and SA

no other atma combination with 3x AGI+ atmas did as good.
Is that normal?

Thank you for any information.

1) Adaman Bullets
2) Moonshade Earring w/ Rng Atk & TP Bonus
3) x2 Stormsoul Ring
4) Sylvan Botillns. +2
5) Scout's Braccers +2
6) Scout's Braccae +2

These fixes will shoot your dmg up real nice. You could also do Empy gun after all of that too.
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By Asura.Kenrusai 2012-06-10 14:42:15
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Sylvan Cabin+2 or tessera saio too, tessera being the better though harder to obtain peice.
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By Bahamut.Darkelv 2012-06-11 01:26:26
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Thank you for all the Info!
Will start working on that!

Edit:
so for legs its RACC+11 & RATT+11 > AGI+6
and for hands its STR+7 RATT+11 > AGI+8 RACC+15

correct?

and still... the ATMA choices I made (GH, VV and SA) did the best dmg in aby for me, is that normal?
Shouldn't AGI+ Atmas do more dmg with Last stand?
Atleast that's what I thought because of...
Odin.Upbeat said: »
Shiva.Pheelix said: »
What atmas where you using Upbeat?
For max Last Stand damage I used Gnarled Horn, Kirin, and Strangling Wind.

I had something like 99AGI +250AGI in the 9,750 pic.
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2012-06-11 05:51:14
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GH VV SA are fine atmas for RNG using marksmanship, you wouldn't want to go with full on AGI atmas anyway. You lose a lot of damage in your TP phase doing that.

Then again, I never take RNG into abyssea. xD
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By Bahamut.Darkelv 2012-06-11 05:54:48
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OK thx.
Should I use other atmas for bow?
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2012-06-11 06:07:01
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What weaponskill do you intend on using with your bow? Arching arrow and Jishnu's radiance favor more crit damage + crit rate atmas, where as Sidewinder, Refulgent and Apex arrow will work with your current atma setup.
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By Bahamut.Darkelv 2012-06-11 06:25:49
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That answered everything!
Thx again for all the help from everyone!
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-07-05 13:06:31
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Which dagger ends up being the best to use? I've seen caribineer, aluh, and nguul in people's sets.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-07-05 13:09:08
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Aluh is more of a Jishnu thing. Nguul should be the winner for Last Stand.
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-07-05 13:43:54
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Right thanks, agi/rattk > fStr2. Next one! What legs to use until I have thaumas. Have ambusher's and scout's +2 available.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2012-07-05 17:12:41
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I use Carabineer Dagger as overall DoT will be greater, well, probably not in VW but yeah, invi issues etc.

-Ambushers until Thaumas.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2012-07-05 17:44:42
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Nguul is the winner for last stand of course, but as Kenrusai points out, your overall DoT will be greater with carabineer dagger or Aluh (I use Aluh). Aluh is actually very close to nguul for last stand, 10 STR and 7 AGI are coming out almost exactly the same for me, though the ranged attack +10 causes nguul to barely pull ahead. The few extra damage you get from Aluh during TP would seem to benefit you more than a few extra points of damage on last stand though.

Oh I just noticed this

Cerberus.Maeldiar said: »
Right thanks, agi/rattk > fStr2. Next one! What legs to use until I have thaumas. Have ambusher's and scout's +2 available.

fSTR2 is much more potent than ranged attack. AGI > STR > RATT
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-07-05 19:44:02
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Thanks for input kenrusai, but pants O :D
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-07-05 20:43:36
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I may just use aluh because im a taru
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By Asura.Ezekial 2012-07-10 14:47:37
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4/5 for the +10 AGI,STR
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2012-07-10 20:29:02
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4/5 thaumas for last stand is actually inferior to other options, aslo TP bonus Moonshade+Sylvan earring, unless using a 300TP wing.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2012-07-10 21:10:59
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Asura.Ezekial said: »


4/5 for the +10 AGI,STR

Tessera does not beat empyrean body. Terebellum beats sylvan under most circumstances (lots of attack buffs). Nguul is a piece of crap as far as I'm concerned. The Aluh jambiyah is close stat-wise but will also increase your TP damage much more than Nguul. Personally I tend to shoot 1-2 times between weapon skills depending on how much regain or how many double shot procs I get.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-07-10 21:13:34
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Didn't know 12/12 was better than 13/13 + 17 ranged attack. And before you say it gives ranged attack, you've yet to prove this. Only reason AF3 is better is if you're short on r.acc.
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By Fenrir.Curty 2012-07-10 23:30:46
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Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai said: »
4/5 thaumas for last stand is actually inferior to other options.

What is better, prz?
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-07-10 23:32:50
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How is Aluh Jambiyah giving you so much more TP damage than Nguul?
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By Fenrir.Curty 2012-07-10 23:45:51
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
How is Aluh Jambiyah giving you so much more TP damage than Nguul?

Rng acu-5 make you miss like a ton bro
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