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[Dev] Merit Point Groups 1 & 2 Adjustments
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-12-09 15:33:31
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Bayohne said:
As the first step we take, we’ll be reviewing point increases.

i read this as:

Bayohne said:
In celebration of Ashman's Nine Thousand and First merit we plan to make Group 1 only cost 1 merit each stage!

I read this as

loldevs said:
More haste samba!

Although, it makes me wonder if they mean maximum ability increases or adding more points so we can merit more abilities, leaving 5 as cap per ability.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2011-12-09 15:47:33
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Carbuncle.Wulfshadow said: »
I wonder how they'll enhance Enlightenment

The addendum: white/black bonus on af3+2 body is still an enigma as it is :(
Able to cast 2 spells with 2 merits, 3 with 3, etc.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn 2011-12-09 15:47:55
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
PLD:
Fealty - will be fixed at 10 minutes. Maybe blocks even more debuffs or provides greater magic defense while active.
Chivalry - will be fixed at 10 minutes. Returns more amount of MP? Or better yet, doesn't take as much TP away when you use it.

for fealty i reckon it will have longer duration by merit so like 30sec first and like 15 sec each extra merit?

for chivalry..ummm more mp per tp i would imagine
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-12-09 15:48:31
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Wonder if warrior's charge will have the effect of a berserker's tonic <_<
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-12-09 15:49:27
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Mmm, this may change some merits setup. *curious*
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2011-12-09 15:49:54
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This is one of the more interesting updates in a long time.
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2011-12-09 15:53:42
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I'm curious how this will effect Troubadour and Nightingale. The base effect of each was pretty awesome. The only reason you kept upgrading them is because Sirvente and Dirge just aren't worth wasting a song slot on.
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By Siren.Kyte 2011-12-09 17:21:57
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They probably took a look at the most popular merits on the Census and thought to themselves "Hey, what could we do to make people completely change from X to Y, thus creating more of a time sink?"
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By Asura.Vyre 2011-12-09 17:41:12
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Rather looking forward to what they adjust about Savagery and Angon.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2011-12-09 17:57:51
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Diffusion + level 5 = double duration of buffs plz (yes I want hastega so I can be lazy with my dual box RDM).
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By Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn 2011-12-09 18:04:28
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not sure double duration would be enough to justify fully meritting diffusion. I suppose you would rid the need of a haste mage in small man situations and possibly get by just with a blu but you would be giving up other merits for it which seems like a bad trade off i think(consider at 99 you can /rdm and have haste in said situations where you are being used for support spells)
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2011-12-09 18:04:59
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Asura.Vyre said: »
Rather looking forward to what they adjust about Savagery and Angon.
Angon prob won't be affected because they say they are only adjusting the ones that get shorter recast timers through more merits.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn 2011-12-09 18:06:08
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Siren.Thoraeon said: »
Asura.Vyre said: »
Rather looking forward to what they adjust about Savagery and Angon.
Angon prob won't be affected because they say they are only adjusting the ones that get shorter recast timers through more merits.


^This
People keep assuming every merit thing is going to be redone.
 
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2011-12-09 18:14:50
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I listed the merits that this applies to here.

Can anyone check the JP version and see if it says about the same thing (specific to ones that have their recast shortened)?
 
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By reaperofsoul 2011-12-09 18:20:49
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Wonder how this is gonna affect saber/fan dance for dnc.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2011-12-09 18:21:02
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Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »
this makes me wonder exactly what meriting assassin's charge will do.

1 merit - max lowest time - triple attack
would 2 merits mean 4 attacks? etc or 2 triple attacks?

Seems very hard to balance
my guess would be the latter
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-09 18:23:48
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Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »
this makes me wonder exactly what meriting assassin's charge will do.

1 merit - max lowest time - triple attack
would 2 merits mean 4 attacks? etc or 2 triple attacks?

Seems very hard to balance
Probably "increases triple attack damage", an attack bonus, or the like.

Higher chance of TH up!
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By Bahamut.Caelestis 2011-12-09 18:26:01
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This adjustments have a lot of potential, yet at the same time, could get a great inbalance to a lot of the unlockable JAs...either way, much more than i expected them to tweak said JAs.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-09 18:40:39
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Quetzalcoatl.Brayenn said: »
not sure double duration would be enough to justify fully meritting diffusion. I suppose you would rid the need of a haste mage in small man situations and possibly get by just with a blu but you would be giving up other merits for it which seems like a bad trade off i think(consider at 99 you can /rdm and have haste in said situations where you are being used for support spells)

Won't be. At most, 1 merit in this sort of situation would be somewhat justified for situational buffs to party members. Completely dropping enchainment won't be worth the merits unless the buffs receive some form of potency increase on top of increased duration.
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-12-09 18:51:03
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Ariaum said: »
Bismarck.Angeleus said: »
Hmmm... No HP and MP adjustment for every race still. Kind of ghetto to have 12k and 15K HP at 95.

If you have 12,000 and 15,000 tell me how.

You know i was referring outside abyssea right? Also, certain races and jobs get a certain HP and MP boost outside abyssea.

Unless you like me to dumb it for you and to the +1 people too. :)
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-12-09 18:56:17
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Bismarck.Angeleus said: »
Ariaum said: »
Bismarck.Angeleus said: »
Hmmm... No HP and MP adjustment for every race still. Kind of ghetto to have 12k and 15K HP at 95.

If you have 12,000 and 15,000 tell me how.

You know i was referring outside abyssea right? Also, certain races and jobs get a certain HP and MP boost outside abyssea.

Unless you like me to dumb it for you and to the +1 people too. :)

I think they're laughing about you being off by a factor of 10.

12K = 12,000 > 1,200
15K = 15,000 > 1,500
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2011-12-09 19:00:12
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Bismarck.Angeleus said: »
Unless you like me to dumb it for you and to the +1 people too. :)
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By Phoenix.Gaiarorshack 2011-12-11 08:30:02
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so basically they are giving us new merits and just handing us the old one for free (well one merit)

more baby mode


couldn't they just add the increased effect in a group 3 or something more merits to used and make strategy about would be more fun more content and NOT just keep handing ppl stuff for free.

or add it next to the decreasing effect of recasting. so you still need 5 for lowest recast

i mean free is boring...


soon you will start the game at level 99 with all merits full and all gear and a cutscene that tells you you completed the game. *yawn*
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-12-11 08:37:16
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I wonder how this update will affect Shikikoyo and/or Blade Bash.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2011-12-11 08:38:14
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Jesus, they announce something to make an entire group of merits better across the board, for everyone, and you find a way to complain because you think it's "easy mode."

Why don't you go push a boulder up a mountain or something, if you want a challenge. The rest of us will take the new merits that will most likely revolutionize the way many jobs' merit spreads are decided.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2011-12-11 08:42:44
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Bismarck.Elanabelle said: »
I wonder how this update will affect Shikikoyo and/or Blade Bash.

Probably alter the amount of TP given (or reduce the amount taken away), and for the latter, increase the accuracy of or alter something else about the plague effect.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-12-11 09:09:47
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I'm thinking for flashy shot they will make each merit reduce the enmity increase.
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By Asura.Zeike 2011-12-11 09:15:07
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more potent invigorate yes
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