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By Bismarck.Sylow 2011-12-12 18:45:19
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So, where is the Shoha nerf?
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-12-12 18:52:56
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12-12-2011 05:19 PM
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Hey everyone, we’ve completely ignored all your feedback and have made some adjustments of our own.
  
Great Katana Weapon Skill "Tachi: Shoha"
We will be making adjustments to this weapon skill which include increased Ftp, Mods and throwing in an 1000% attack bonus.
After purposely not reading your feedback we're making the necessary adjustments and weakening the other weaponskills further.
*** the haters! Sam4Lyff!

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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-12-12 19:00:36
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
So, where is the Shoha nerf?

Which DDs were on top during Tanaka's previous reign?

That's right.

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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2011-12-12 19:01:07
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
So, where is the Shoha nerf?

Thought for sure this would be right under Club.
Their logic is *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE if they leave shoha alone but use their reasons for the other ws. lolSE

Either way, I already have good WS or I'll get a better one. meh

SAMFOLIFE
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-12-12 19:02:01
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Fenrir.Leoheart said: »
12-12-2011 05:19 PM
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Hey everyone, we’ve completely ignored all your feedback and have made some adjustments of our own.
  
Great Katana Weapon Skill "Tachi: Shoha"
We will be making adjustments to this weapon skill which include increased Ftp, Mods and throwing in an 1000% attack bonus.
After purposely not reading your feedback we're making the necessary adjustments and weakening the other weaponskills further.
*** the haters! Sam4Lyff!

This has been SE's MO since the inception of Aht Urghan.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2011-12-12 19:11:08
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So basically, congratulations Great Katana, Dagger, and Marksmanship! Everyone else, sux2beu.
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By Bahamut.Meaikidou 2011-12-12 19:24:30
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i welcome these nerfs with open arms.(insert sound of music pic please)

c'mon...you hardly have to work for these ws's... do you think they really should be at the same lvl (dmg-wise) as the current "best" ws's for each weapon?

I think SE is doing the right thing by making the modifier more important now by nerfing dmg so that poorly geared (lazy) players will now have to work towards getting decent gear to make these ws's worth it.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-12-12 19:28:45
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Bahamut.Meaikidou said: »
c'mon...you hardly have to work for these ws's... do you think they really should be at the same lvl (dmg-wise) as the current "best" ws's for each weapon?

They wernt amazing weaponskills to start off with.
The general consensus with SE now, is that if something is good and doesn't belong to Samurai, it gets *** in the ***.
And each time they do, the excuses get worser and worser and worser.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-12 19:29:10
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I'm not sure what he said... but people sure like it.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-12 19:29:20
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/rage

My last response was so justified.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-12-12 19:29:25
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Well, one way of looking at it is

"Old" WS (eg Guillotine/Rampage/Drakesbane etc) << New WS << Empyrean WS

since normally there is quite a large gap between the Empyrean WS and the next closest.

However, they are doing it such that

"Old" WS ~ New WS <<<< Empyrean WS

general cases of course. Drakesbane etc are exceptions (and Camlann's is crappy but that's another story).
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-12 19:32:14
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Bahamut.Meaikidou said: »
i welcome these nerfs with open arms.(insert sound of music pic please)

c'mon...you hardly have to work for these ws's... do you think they really should be at the same lvl (dmg-wise) as the current "best" ws's for each weapon?

I think SE is doing the right thing by making the modifier more important now by nerfing dmg so that poorly geared (lazy) players will now have to work towards getting decent gear to make these ws's worth it.
So we work harder to use the lower leveled weapon skills that are more powerful than weapon skills we have to earn 1 million exp to max out?

Very strange logic...
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-12 19:32:39
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Bahamut.Meaikidou said: »
i welcome these nerfs with open arms.(insert sound of music pic please)

c'mon...you hardly have to work for these ws's... do you think they really should be at the same lvl (dmg-wise) as the current "best" ws's for each weapon?

I think SE is doing the right thing by making the modifier more important now by nerfing dmg so that poorly geared (lazy) players will now have to work towards getting decent gear to make these ws's worth it.
You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, do you? They're not changing WSC, none of this benefits stacking modifiers further than when they were implemented. Penalties to other aspects actually make WSC relatively less important, and you seem to have missed the memo that most of these weaponskills will not be worth using at all.
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-12-12 19:33:58
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Dagger
all that matters
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2011-12-12 19:35:04
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Which is a completed *** way of developing new weaponskills at level 99 comparing them to weaponskills at level 65.

Especially since they made the criteria for them so huge. <here spend 1million xp on a ws that averages at the same as a ws at 65>

ya um ill just be lazy and not...
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-12-12 19:36:43
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Lose the Honey Gagotoki...
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-12-12 19:37:19
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Which is a completed *** way of developing new weaponskills at level 99 comparing them to weaponskills at level 65.

I agree entirely. "Marginal upgrades" indeed... freaking Tanaka.

I don't mean to continuously parrot the same point but he is sooo, sooo horrendous for FFXI. While he is in charge, I don't see it having a future. At all.
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By Bahamut.Meaikidou 2011-12-12 19:37:30
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Bahamut.Meaikidou said: »
i welcome these nerfs with open arms.(insert sound of music pic please)

c'mon...you hardly have to work for these ws's... do you think they really should be at the same lvl (dmg-wise) as the current "best" ws's for each weapon?

I think SE is doing the right thing by making the modifier more important now by nerfing dmg so that poorly geared (lazy) players will now have to work towards getting decent gear to make these ws's worth it.
You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, do you? They're not changing WSC, none of this benefits stacking modifiers further than when they were implemented. Penalties to other aspects actually make WSC relatively less important, and you seem to have missed the memo that most of these weaponskills will not be worth using at all.

you caught me! i didn't read too much... but i thought i read that some ws's were getting lower dmg and weaker tp dmg modifiers. wouldn't this make the stat. modifier of more importance?
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-12-12 19:38:59
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Lower fTP means increasing damage through raising average effective fTP (gorgets/DA/TA/QA) becomes more effective relative to increasing it through adding stats (WSC).
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By Bahamut.Meaikidou 2011-12-12 19:40:49
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Bahamut.Meaikidou said: »
i welcome these nerfs with open arms.(insert sound of music pic please)

c'mon...you hardly have to work for these ws's... do you think they really should be at the same lvl (dmg-wise) as the current "best" ws's for each weapon?

I think SE is doing the right thing by making the modifier more important now by nerfing dmg so that poorly geared (lazy) players will now have to work towards getting decent gear to make these ws's worth it.
So we work harder to use the lower leveled weapon skills that are more powerful than weapon skills we have to earn 1 million exp to max out?

Very strange logic...

i think i would personally just rather fight some nm's or do something like nyzul for a new ws instead of sit through hours of exp party, which isn't very fun and doesn't really take any skill.
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2011-12-12 19:48:57
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Bahamut.Meaikidou said: »
i think i would personally just rather fight some nm's or do something like nyzul for a new ws instead of sit through hours of exp party, which isn't very fun and doesn't really take any skill.


You don't even need to be there, pay some group to exp you up and come back every few hours to turn in merits.

inb4 exp is easy to get - because it's still tedious to get that much
I can be playing other games while getting 1m exp :D
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2011-12-12 19:54:14
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Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
Bahamut.Meaikidou said: »
i think i would personally just rather fight some nm's or do something like nyzul for a new ws instead of sit through hours of exp party, which isn't very fun and doesn't really take any skill.


You don't even need to be there, pay some group to exp you up and come back every few hours to turn in merits.

inb4 exp is easy to get - because it's still tedious to get that much
I can be playing other games while getting 1m exp :D

Why pay for a game to pay other ppl in the game to get accomplishments for u?
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2011-12-12 19:55:59
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Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
Bahamut.Meaikidou said: »
i think i would personally just rather fight some nm's or do something like nyzul for a new ws instead of sit through hours of exp party, which isn't very fun and doesn't really take any skill.


You don't even need to be there, pay some group to exp you up and come back every few hours to turn in merits.

inb4 exp is easy to get - because it's still tedious to get that much
I can be playing other games while getting 1m exp :D

Why pay for a game to pay other ppl in the game to get accomplishments for u?

How is it an accomplishment to spend hours and hours slapping the same mobs in the face for a ws that is sub par?
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2011-12-12 19:56:47
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because I can make enough gil to pay for 7 hours of AFK/sleep exp in less than 1 hour and do something more fun than grinding for 5+ hours
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-12 19:59:50
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Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
Bahamut.Meaikidou said: »
i think i would personally just rather fight some nm's or do something like nyzul for a new ws instead of sit through hours of exp party, which isn't very fun and doesn't really take any skill.


You don't even need to be there, pay some group to exp you up and come back every few hours to turn in merits.

inb4 exp is easy to get - because it's still tedious to get that much
I can be playing other games while getting 1m exp :D

Why pay for a game to pay other ppl in the game to get accomplishments for u?
You do actually make quite a bit of gil for letting someone do something for you for 10-12 hours. There are better ways to make gil but still isn't bad.
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By Bahamut.Meaikidou 2011-12-12 20:00:30
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Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
Bahamut.Meaikidou said: »
i think i would personally just rather fight some nm's or do something like nyzul for a new ws instead of sit through hours of exp party, which isn't very fun and doesn't really take any skill.


You don't even need to be there, pay some group to exp you up and come back every few hours to turn in merits.

inb4 exp is easy to get - because it's still tedious to get that much
I can be playing other games while getting 1m exp :D

Why pay for a game to pay other ppl in the game to get accomplishments for u?

How is it an accomplishment to spend hours and hours slapping the same mobs in the face for a ws that is sub par?

exp party isn't really an accomplishment.
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2011-12-12 20:02:26
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Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
Bahamut.Meaikidou said: »
i think i would personally just rather fight some nm's or do something like nyzul for a new ws instead of sit through hours of exp party, which isn't very fun and doesn't really take any skill.


You don't even need to be there, pay some group to exp you up and come back every few hours to turn in merits.

inb4 exp is easy to get - because it's still tedious to get that much
I can be playing other games while getting 1m exp :D

Why pay for a game to pay other ppl in the game to get accomplishments for u?

How is it an accomplishment to spend hours and hours slapping the same mobs in the face for a ws that is sub par?

Ok since u have to get technical, why pay ppl to basically play the game for u.
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2011-12-12 20:05:33
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Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
Bahamut.Meaikidou said: »
i think i would personally just rather fight some nm's or do something like nyzul for a new ws instead of sit through hours of exp party, which isn't very fun and doesn't really take any skill.


You don't even need to be there, pay some group to exp you up and come back every few hours to turn in merits.

inb4 exp is easy to get - because it's still tedious to get that much
I can be playing other games while getting 1m exp :D

Why pay for a game to pay other ppl in the game to get accomplishments for u?

How is it an accomplishment to spend hours and hours slapping the same mobs in the face for a ws that is sub par?

Ok since u have to get technical, why pay ppl to basically play the game for u.

Idk why ur asking me this since paying ppl to play the game for u has been around forever... also i was merely stating the idiocy of calling xping for 1million xp for a shitty ws an accomplishment.
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2011-12-12 20:07:59
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Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
Bahamut.Meaikidou said: »
i think i would personally just rather fight some nm's or do something like nyzul for a new ws instead of sit through hours of exp party, which isn't very fun and doesn't really take any skill.


You don't even need to be there, pay some group to exp you up and come back every few hours to turn in merits.

inb4 exp is easy to get - because it's still tedious to get that much
I can be playing other games while getting 1m exp :D

Why pay for a game to pay other ppl in the game to get accomplishments for u?

How is it an accomplishment to spend hours and hours slapping the same mobs in the face for a ws that is sub par?

Ok since u have to get technical, why pay ppl to basically play the game for u.

Idk why ur asking me this since paying ppl to play the game for u has been around forever... also i was merely stating the idiocy of calling xping for 1million xp for a shitty ws an accomplishment.

And i was merely stating the idiocy of not knowing the definition of accomplishment.
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