Upheaval Thoughts
Upheaval thoughts
Naked=still wearing GA :/ will recalculate now. Although that does make more sense. The numbers seemed really low.
Naked - while wearing gaxe ( D: ) - 531
new numbers for you.
2hits: 1,887 2,178
3hits: 2,831 2,859
4hits: 3,540 3,775
5hits: 4,220 4,290
2hits: 1,887 2,178
3hits: 2,831 2,859
4hits: 3,540 3,775
5hits: 4,220 4,290
I was going to try and do this myself, but I can't seem to match the same attack/STR/VIT ><
If you want to run the numbers for me, I can run out and murderize some colibri's while I nurse a hangover..
STR-103
VIT-83
ATT-547
This is naked Mithra 99WAR/49NIN Full GA/STR merits
If you want to run the numbers for me, I can run out and murderize some colibri's while I nurse a hangover..
STR-103
VIT-83
ATT-547
This is naked Mithra 99WAR/49NIN Full GA/STR merits
I would need total str/vit/attack in ws gear and your GA's base dmg to calculate it for you. Set also should have both belt/gorget, and pref no "enhances ws dmg" on it(one less thing to math).
Bunch of questions,
Ok so the modifier for upheaval is pure vit?
From 20%-100% (give or take) depending on how many merits you have in it?
How do you know when you have to much vit stacked? Is the % based on your base vit (so say 80 base vit, so 20% of that means you would only benefit with a maximum of 16 additional vit from gear? or is it base + the % = how much in gear so 80+16 = 96 additional vit from gear)
lol i dont know any of these technical things~
Ok so the modifier for upheaval is pure vit?
From 20%-100% (give or take) depending on how many merits you have in it?
How do you know when you have to much vit stacked? Is the % based on your base vit (so say 80 base vit, so 20% of that means you would only benefit with a maximum of 16 additional vit from gear? or is it base + the % = how much in gear so 80+16 = 96 additional vit from gear)
lol i dont know any of these technical things~
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
I would need total str/vit/attack in ws gear and your GA's base dmg to calculate it for you. Set also should have both belt/gorget, and pref no "enhances ws dmg" on it(one less thing to math).
Oh, was just gonna do the test naked w/ belts. 95 Bravura is weapon so base damage of 146. As for WS gear stats-
STR-158
VIT-137
ATT-700 even
The way upheaval(and all WSs work) is they have a "mod". This mod converts a % of 1 or more stats into base dmg(like on your weapon). Upheaval converts 20-100%(little less but we will keep it simple) of your vit and adds it to your damage. There is no cap on how high this can go.
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Upheaval converts 20-100%(little less but we will keep it simple) of your vit and adds it to your damage. There is no cap on how high this can go.
Its not really a little less, its just multipiied by the .85 alpha.
I ran a quick test was pretty obvious the ftp didn't carry through all the hits. 8.8 ftp is hard to miss.
Lakshmi.Eyrhika said: »
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
I would need total str/vit/attack in ws gear and your GA's base dmg to calculate it for you. Set also should have both belt/gorget, and pref no "enhances ws dmg" on it(one less thing to math).
Oh, was just gonna do the test naked w/ belts. 95 Bravura is weapon so base damage of 146. As for WS gear stats-
STR-158
VIT-137
ATT-700 even
naked is fine just wanted to make sure.
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Lakshmi.Eyrhika said: »
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
I would need total str/vit/attack in ws gear and your GA's base dmg to calculate it for you. Set also should have both belt/gorget, and pref no "enhances ws dmg" on it(one less thing to math).
Oh, was just gonna do the test naked w/ belts. 95 Bravura is weapon so base damage of 146. As for WS gear stats-
STR-158
VIT-137
ATT-700 even
naked is fine just wanted to make sure.
np, Just lemme know if the number you give me are for naked or geared and I will WS accordingly.
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
The way upheaval(and all WSs work) is they have a "mod". This mod converts a % of 1 or more stats into base dmg(like on your weapon). Upheaval converts 20-100%(little less but we will keep it simple) of your vit and adds it to your damage. There is no cap on how high this can go.
Ok so stack as much vit as possible, but does it plateau? Does it reach a point where the vit just doesnt justify the gains as were att or str could give more? How would you find this?
I guess its still being tested, sorry for the questions!
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Upheaval converts 20-100%(little less but we will keep it simple) of your vit and adds it to your damage. There is no cap on how high this can go.
Its not really a little less, its just multipiied by the .85 alpha.
I ran a quick test was pretty obvious the ftp didn't carry through all the hits. 8.8 ftp is hard to miss.
Thats what i'm thinking. The high end if it carried over gets into 5000s w/o MS outside which I think would have been heard about
Midgardsormr.Markers said: »
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
The way upheaval(and all WSs work) is they have a "mod". This mod converts a % of 1 or more stats into base dmg(like on your weapon). Upheaval converts 20-100%(little less but we will keep it simple) of your vit and adds it to your damage. There is no cap on how high this can go.
Ok so stack as much vit as possible, but does it plateau? Does it reach a point where the vit just doesnt justify the gains as were att or str could give more? How would you find this?
I guess its still being tested, sorry for the questions!
*There actually are values where this happens, but its not a plateu. They are the occasional values where adding +.85 doesn't raise dmg above the next integer value.
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
new numbers for you.
2hits: 1,887 2,178
3hits: 2,831 2,859
4hits: 3,540 3,775
5hits: 4,220 4,290
2hits: 1,887 2,178
3hits: 2,831 2,859
4hits: 3,540 3,775
5hits: 4,220 4,290
Going to test right now...
I'm sure taint is right that the ftp doesn't carry over if you want to save your time. More support never hurts though if you want to follow through!
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
I'm sure taint is right that the ftp doesn't carry over if you want to save your time. More support never hurts though if you want to follow through!
Well I just barely started... but it looks as if Taint is correct so I'll do a small sample size (damn feather tickle):
-All WS's done at 300tp w/ no buffs on WAR/SAM, gear on previous page.
2802 18tp
1128 15tp
2988 18tp
2675 18tp
1296 15tp
3369 19tp
2964 18tp
2130 17tp
1605 16tp
2828 18tp
Yeah I assume 15tp returns are 2 hits, which would mean every one of your WSs is below the values given. Thanks for confirming! So, Ftp doesn't carry through, and apathy/warwolf is the way to go.
Has anyone run numbers on uther's grip? I'm kinda hoping it wins so I can laugh at all the people who I had drop it for being useless.
Has anyone run numbers on uther's grip? I'm kinda hoping it wins so I can laugh at all the people who I had drop it for being useless.
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Yeah I assume 15tp returns are 2 hits, which would mean every one of your WSs is below the values given. Thanks for confirming! So, Ftp doesn't carry through, and apathy/warwolf is the way to go.
Has anyone run numbers on uther's grip? I'm kinda hoping it wins so I can laugh at all the people who I had drop it for being useless.
Has anyone run numbers on uther's grip? I'm kinda hoping it wins so I can laugh at all the people who I had drop it for being useless.
If you get enough of a return on the WS, yes. exactly.
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
If you get enough of a return on the WS, yes. exactly.
I'm not buying it, atleast for Uther's
I assume not myself, was just wondering if someone had done math so I wouldn't be temped to.
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
I assume not myself, was just wondering if someone had done math so I wouldn't be temped to.
I'm figuring pole would beat it still. Since in the long run it increases weaponskill damage and frequency. Another argument might be using Uther's or Axe grip for Resolution/Shoha. Pole just seems right.
Yeah mathed Pole>Uthers. :/ No getting to laugh at wars who need to kill rani for it.
edit: Why the f*** did I think uther's had str and vit? anyway, if se adds a 4str/4vit/4ga skill grip, poles still better>.>
edit: Why the f*** did I think uther's had str and vit? anyway, if se adds a 4str/4vit/4ga skill grip, poles still better>.>
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Yeah mathed Pole>Uthers. :/ No getting to laugh at wars who need to kill rani for it.
edit: Why the f*** did I think uther's had str and vit? anyway, if se adds a 4str/4vit/4ga skill grip, poles still better>.>
edit: Why the f*** did I think uther's had str and vit? anyway, if se adds a 4str/4vit/4ga skill grip, poles still better>.>
What says math about . grip vs pole grip?
So Upheaval has been out for awhile now....Whats everyones opinion on it now? I dont have Ukko's and sadly i dont get to play war as often as i like. So i was curious if i should take the time to get some VIT heavy gear so its ready to go...or just forget about it. I know i read its THE new Might Strikes WS, but is it worth using on its own? Just curious.
So for those of us without an Ukon or Bravura, how does the Gaxe heirarchy work using Upheaval? I've read about multiple magian Gaxes being good: TP+100, STR, and VIT. And there is always the old stand by of widowmaker. Basically how do those 4 axes order in highest damage output.
The VIT on Widowmaker certainly helps I'm sure. And I'm sure the tp bonus one is godly. Adding another 50%? Hell yeah.
It's quite possible the OaT GA stands on top of those GAxes, just like the OaT GK and GS do for Shoha and Resolution. TP Bonus would probably come after, followed by the STR one and only later the Widowmaker.
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