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[Dev] Weakness System and Moving Forward
 Shiva.Viciousss
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2011-11-30 00:11:28
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
I think they will in the form of revamped content. Nyzul Isle will make Blue Mage king again with its versatility!

this implies blue is not the king now?
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-11-30 00:15:06
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Nope, BLU is king now so it will again be king with the revamped content!
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2011-11-30 00:15:37
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right, glad we got that cleared up
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By Bismarck.Anjisnu 2011-11-30 01:26:19
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proc system was cute in abyssea, old in dyna, and now im sick of it in voidwatch if i had to proc something in nyzul id lose it just make bst mules become rmt by selling dyna currency
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By Sylph.Liltrouble 2011-11-30 01:39:26
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Arch Bosses in Dynamis can't be staggered. Soley dependant upon Treasure Hunter and a competent team
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By Asura.Backstab 2011-11-30 04:19:35
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Have fun killing jeuno and Ziltart T3 without procs/temps.
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By Chyula 2011-11-30 04:29:18
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I don't care what negative you all think about proc system, but the proc system is what make Relic reachable to the 99% out there. I hope they'll implement proc system to improve Alex drop when they Revamp making Mythic reachable by the 99.99% out there.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-11-30 04:39:30
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Chyula said: »
I don't care what negative you all think about proc system, but the proc system is what make Relic reachable to the 99% out there. I hope they'll implement proc system to improve Alex drop when they Revamp making Mythic reachable by the 99.99% out there.
You clearly misunderstand the majority of people "complaining", we don't necessarily think it was a horrible system (though in abyssea and VW it was poorly implemented, in WoE it's kinda unclear to me how it works (at least to me) or what it does, and in dynamis it was nice) but that it was used in the majority of new content (just look at what I listed, that's all the new stuff we have been given so far).

It was just becoming too much of a trend and most people don't want it in absolutely EVERYTHING in this game.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-01 13:20:00
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I wan't the non-proc events to come now :( Put them in this update SE D:
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-12-01 13:21:44
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So much colourful purple on front page >:3
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-12-01 15:48:01
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Weakness Systems: Always in moderation.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-01 15:57:44
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Chyula said: »
I don't care what negative you all think about proc system, but the proc system is what make Relic reachable to the 99% out there. I hope they'll implement proc system to improve Alex drop when they Revamp making Mythic reachable by the 99.99% out there.
There is zero reason they couldn't just keep a decent droprate on coins instead of nerfing droprates and adding procs, especially when the system is so appallingly skewed towards JA procs that it's the only efficient method for farming and thus you have unreasonably high competition as opposed to letting everyone spread out across the zone.

As it stands, procs have promoted jobism more than any other element of FFXI within the past few years, possibly ever. Previously, you could take any competently geared DD job and you'd get the job done, just marginally slower. Now you also lose procs, which imposes a more apparent cost in lost pop items, a greater amount of time lost, less currency/drops pulled in, etc. In Voidwatch that cost is compounded by having to change merits on some jobs, and in some cases you more or less give up on performing your job in a functional manner for the sake of spamming arbitrary procs.

It is absolutely a horrible, poorly implemented system. The game would have been better off with no procs at all then the shitfest SE has created.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2011-12-01 16:01:31
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I look forward to Neo-Nyzul and the other revamped content.
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2011-12-01 16:02:21
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
11-29-2011 01:50 PM
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After sending off your feedback, the dev. team let me know that not all content going forward will have a weakness system, so don’t worry!

Keep up the good work with voicing your feedback. ^_^

YAY!! ٩(ᵔ◦ᵔ)۶
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-12-01 16:06:01
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OH GOD!
NO!!!
NOT THE GLITTER!!
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-01 16:07:57
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Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
OH GOD!
NO!!!
NOT THE GLITTER!!
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By Carbuncle.Shokox 2011-12-01 16:20:25
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Chyula said: »
I don't care what negative you all think about proc system, but the proc system is what make Relic reachable to the 99% out there. I hope they'll implement proc system to improve Alex drop when they Revamp making Mythic reachable by the 99.99% out there.

Proc system is cool. Proc system in every high end content, is not. People don't want to do the same thing over and over. People didn't want to kill the same 5 kings and tiamat dragon forever either, so they complained and got new and/or different content as well.

Proc systems also took a gigantic chunk of difficulty out of the current content with increasing levels. What good is new, nice and shiny gears when the max level content is stuck on easy-mode? (for the most part, I know some VWNMs are hard as bricks)
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By Sylph.Fulmination 2011-12-01 16:42:05
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