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Well give me some mob stats and I'll do the numbers myself then.
it's common sense dodu, something i'm not sure you are familiar with
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Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Blanket statements upon blanket statements about something none of you know about. How inspiring.
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Blanket statements upon blanket statements about something none of you know about. How inspiring.
I promise nothing. I'm merely pointing out the fallacy of assuming a conclusion based on a severely tilted premise.
Fenrir.Minjo said: »
You dramatically overestimate the player:automaton output ratio, while simultaneously understating the effect of automaton upkeep, be it through maneuvers, curative actions, or what have you.
Like I said, when any of you have any reasonably accurate information regarding the weapon, I'd be willing to take a closer look. Until then, you're arguing about nothing.
Like I said, when any of you have any reasonably accurate information regarding the weapon, I'd be willing to take a closer look. Until then, you're arguing about nothing.
He's technically right, all you're saying is a hypothesis; while that hypothesis is very likely correct, 3 minutes of OA3 + a much lower delay between attack rounds + Stringing Pummel, on top of the somewhat minimal impact of the increase to Automaton damage being greater than 45% (?) ODD + Victory Smite, it's not "provable".
Oh gods...SP is not that far behind VS. With KKK you even got a boost on it. PLUS, KKK aftermath is better because it doesn't only apply to master(like Vere's), but puppet also. PLUS, KKK gives Martial arts. What exactly about this is mysterious to you?
Only thing in favor of Vere that I can see is easier upkeep of aftermath.
anything to get VE to use string shredder any more often is already a vast improvement considering how strong the ws is.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
He's technically right, all you're saying is a hypothesis; while that hypothesis is very likely correct, 3 minutes of OA3 + a much lower delay between attack rounds + Stringing Pummel, on top of the somewhat minimal impact of the increase to Automaton damage being greater than 45% (?) ODD + Victory Smite, it's not "provable".
I appreciate the support, but its unnecessary. I won't sit here and attempt a rational debate with people resorting to entirely off-base ad hominem for lack of any real knowledge of the subject matter.
95 Bravura just curious were people think this will stand i cant see many empys topping it outside abys other than say ukon and maybe h2h.
What do you think ?
What do you think ?
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
Oh gods...SP is not that far behind VS. With KKK you even got a boost on it. PLUS, KKK aftermath is better because it doesn't only apply to master(like Vere's), but puppet also. PLUS, KKK gives Martial arts. What exactly about this is mysterious to you?
At 95
1. Ryunohige
2. Conqueror
3. KKK
4. Liberator
5. Ukon
6. Apoc
7. Masa
8. Anni
9. Yoichi
10. Vere
Not sure where exactly I'd put Rag but its def overrated all of a sudden.
1. Ryunohige
2. Conqueror
3. KKK
4. Liberator
5. Ukon
6. Apoc
7. Masa
8. Anni
9. Yoichi
10. Vere
Not sure where exactly I'd put Rag but its def overrated all of a sudden.
And Taint comes in with a curve ball. Que Conqueror debate.
afterdarkk said: »
95 Bravura just curious were people think this will stand i cant see many empys topping it outside abys other than say ukon and maybe h2h.
What do you think ?
What do you think ?
Capped DT while keeping a 6 hit and capped haste iirc. Maybe 7 hit. I'd have to check.
Pretty damn awesome right now actually.
Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
He's technically right, all you're saying is a hypothesis; while that hypothesis is very likely correct, 3 minutes of OA3 + a much lower delay between attack rounds + Stringing Pummel, on top of the somewhat minimal impact of the increase to Automaton damage being greater than 45% (?) ODD + Victory Smite, it's not "provable".
I appreciate the support, but its unnecessary. I won't sit here and attempt a rational debate with people resorting to entirely off-base ad hominem for lack of any real knowledge of the subject matter.
bare bones enough for you?
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »
Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
He's technically right, all you're saying is a hypothesis; while that hypothesis is very likely correct, 3 minutes of OA3 + a much lower delay between attack rounds + Stringing Pummel, on top of the somewhat minimal impact of the increase to Automaton damage being greater than 45% (?) ODD + Victory Smite, it's not "provable".
I appreciate the support, but its unnecessary. I won't sit here and attempt a rational debate with people resorting to entirely off-base ad hominem for lack of any real knowledge of the subject matter.
bare bones enough for you?
OA2-3 does less for hth weapons than you think.
Not saying Vereth is better than KKK, it isn't even close imo because of how much KKK does for pup vs Vereth just doing damage.
ODD only works on one hand as well for H2H.
Bahamut.Serj said: »
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »
Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
He's technically right, all you're saying is a hypothesis; while that hypothesis is very likely correct, 3 minutes of OA3 + a much lower delay between attack rounds + Stringing Pummel, on top of the somewhat minimal impact of the increase to Automaton damage being greater than 45% (?) ODD + Victory Smite, it's not "provable".
I appreciate the support, but its unnecessary. I won't sit here and attempt a rational debate with people resorting to entirely off-base ad hominem for lack of any real knowledge of the subject matter.
bare bones enough for you?
OA2-3 does less for hth weapons than you think.
Not saying Vereth is better than KKK, it isn't even close imo because of how much KKK does for pup vs Vereth just doing damage.
the attack and lolacc is different story though.
Ramuh.Austar said: »
ODD only works on one hand as well for H2H.
Did I say otherwise? All those effects on mythic/relic/emp only apply to the offhand (mainhand) hits, which you only get 1 of per attack round.
OA2-3 still applies to ws on mythic, which is pretty damn nice.
Bahamut.Serj said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
ODD only works on one hand as well for H2H.
Did I say otherwise? All those effects on mythic/relic/emp only apply to the offhand (mainhand) hits, which you only get 1 of per attack round.
OA2-3 still applies to ws on mythic, which is pretty damn nice.
No it doesn't. Kirschy proved that incorrect with Liberator at the beginning of 95 cap.
No, was just throwing it out there
Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Bahamut.Serj said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
ODD only works on one hand as well for H2H.
Did I say otherwise? All those effects on mythic/relic/emp only apply to the offhand (mainhand) hits, which you only get 1 of per attack round.
OA2-3 still applies to ws on mythic, which is pretty damn nice.
No it doesn't. Kirschy proved that incorrect with Liberator at the beginning of 95 cap.
I didn't know you could test hth properties with a scythe.
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Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »
Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
He's technically right, all you're saying is a hypothesis; while that hypothesis is very likely correct, 3 minutes of OA3 + a much lower delay between attack rounds + Stringing Pummel, on top of the somewhat minimal impact of the increase to Automaton damage being greater than 45% (?) ODD + Victory Smite, it's not "provable".
I appreciate the support, but its unnecessary. I won't sit here and attempt a rational debate with people resorting to entirely off-base ad hominem for lack of any real knowledge of the subject matter.
bare bones enough for you?
Semantics. Again, while very likely, it's still a hypothesis that remains to be tested. You can say it's better, and it more than likely is, but there is no hard evidence to suggest it. I may be misinterpreting kap's argument, but that's pretty much all I saw him say.
You can say with some mathematical certainty and through common sense that KKK > Vere, but you cannot say with 100% foolsproof, insurmountable certainty that it's the case.
If you squint really hard, they look alike.
Not really.
But if OaT2-3 on one Mythic doesn't apply to WS, it's a safe assumption that follows to other Mythics. Testing on a second would be a good follow-up, but that's most likely happened.
Not really.
But if OaT2-3 on one Mythic doesn't apply to WS, it's a safe assumption that follows to other Mythics. Testing on a second would be a good follow-up, but that's most likely happened.
Bahamut.Serj said: »
I didn't know you could test hth properties with a scythe.
Why would that matter, a mythic is a mythic. Plus, it's better to assume it doesn't work on H2H then base your calculations on the fact that it does (when it hasn't been proven to do so). Like Dodu's been saying, lax information.
Fenrir.Niniann said: »
Bahamut.Serj said: »
I didn't know you could test hth properties with a scythe.
Why would that matter, a mythic is a mythic. Plus, it's better to assume it doesn't work on H2H then base your calculations on the fact that it does (when it hasn't been proven to do so). Like Dodu's been saying, lax information.
I'm assuming Kap is talking about the OA3 on weaponskills while Serj is talking about OA3 on main/offhands which is silly since it would be rather difficult to test an offhand with a Scythe, thus one should be able to make the assumption that the piece of data in question can be absconded.
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »
Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
He's technically right, all you're saying is a hypothesis; while that hypothesis is very likely correct, 3 minutes of OA3 + a much lower delay between attack rounds + Stringing Pummel, on top of the somewhat minimal impact of the increase to Automaton damage being greater than 45% (?) ODD + Victory Smite, it's not "provable".
I appreciate the support, but its unnecessary. I won't sit here and attempt a rational debate with people resorting to entirely off-base ad hominem for lack of any real knowledge of the subject matter.
bare bones enough for you?
Semantics. Again, while very likely, it's still a hypothesis that remains to be tested. You can say it's better, and it more than likely is, but there is no hard evidence to suggest it. I may be misinterpreting kap's argument, but that's pretty much all I saw him say.
You can say with some mathematical certainty and through common sense that KKK > Vere, but you cannot say with 100% foolsproof, insurmountable certainty that it's the case.
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