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Fundamental Attribution Error
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-11-03 11:25:12
Today, I will illustrate the term "fundamental attribution error", starting off with a hopefully familiar image from the comic strip "Peanuts".
In social psychology, the fundamental attribution error (also known as correspondence bias or attribution effect) describes the tendency to over-value dispositional or personality-based explanations for the observed behaviors of others while under-valuing situational explanations for those behaviors. The fundamental attribution error is most visible when people explain the behavior of others. It does not explain interpretations of one's own behavior—where situational factors are often taken into consideration. This discrepancy is called the actor–observer bias.
Quote: As a simple example, if Alice saw Bob trip over a rock and fall, Alice might consider Bob to be clumsy or careless (dispositional). If Alice tripped over the same rock herself, she would be more likely to blame the placement of the rock (situational).
Explanations:
1. Just-world phenomenon: Quote: The Misconception: People who are losing at the game of life must have done something to deserve it.
The Truth: The beneficiaries of good fortune often do nothing to earn it, and bad people often get away with their actions without consequences. A good example of this would be many who oppose the 99%-ers from the Occupy-Wall Street and the false dichotomy of them assuming that they are in their situation strictly out of choice...or they are drug addict sex craving hippies...either or. 2. Salience of the actor: We tend to pay attention to the subject doing the action or the "actor", Salient the root word of salience means "Most notable or important", so the salience of the actor would mean the actor is most notable when you are looking at another person, but when you are the actor you obviously cannot notice yourself in that sense so it falls to your surroundings. Referring to the text example posted previously, Bob would be the "Actor". 3.Lack of effortful adjustment: The core of this explanation is what we initially observe behavior to characterize a person with " Automaticity"
It's the animal part of you!
It's something that comes "second nature" without occupying as much in your mind. It's one of the things you can effectively do while doing something else. The wiki definition is:
Quote: Automaticity-is the ability to do things without occupying the mind with the low-level details required, allowing it to become an automatic response pattern or habit. It is usually the result of learning, repetition, and practice. Examples of automaticity are common activities such as speaking, bicycle-riding, assembly-line work, and driving a car(specifically on the highway or an empty stretch of road)
It's a product of PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE.
I'm reading a psychology book that terms it as System 1(for simplicities sake), System 2 is the critical thinking part of our brain that handles processing situational data, so when Bob trips over the rock it's not taken into account that the rock just happened to be there by a course of action, but more it's that he wasn't aware of the rock being there. This is situational framing, which the mind tends not to process as much when in the auto-pilot System 1 mode, nor are we able to access System 2 as easily when we are tired, which creates a lack of effortful adjustment.
Quote: To put it succinctly, it's "not paying attention".

Good examples:
Sekundes: Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »Nice info. To add to it a little...
Regardless of the example, it's how you think about it that is the point. People tend to make excuses for their actions or mistakes and can justify it with the situation they are in. But with others they often just blame the person because they rarely know the situation.
Here's an example of this for me. I didn't submit my homework on time last night for my online class. The teacher probably thinks I'm poor at time management and choose to mess around for several hours instead of doing it and turning it in. In actuality my daughter was sick and throwing up all over the place so my wife and I got to spend hours tending to her, monitoring her condition, fetching various things and scrubbing bits of dinner out of our carpet. I justify my tardiness because of the situation, be it legitimate or not.
Many people will take the time and think in another person's shoes but even if you're the nice type who assumes that it was the situation rather than the person are making just as large assumption as the people who instantly blame the person.
By Nevill 2011-11-03 11:30:43
I'm the bottom guy when driving, top guy the rest of the time.
I drive a lot with work though, and most of the time its close to the end of the day and I am tired and irritated.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-11-03 11:30:52
Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »everyone I know hates me sometimes for doing this but I try to advocate like this a lot irl
"stop and think, maybe the driver is ill dont just assume the worst or jump to conclusions and overreact" etc
how about you vin? Only time I get a bit rash is when people ride my bumper and weave incessantly in and out of traffic. But I feel that is different from this situationally though.
:D
But yeah I am a defensive driver either way.
I do slow down on purpose sometimes though. :D
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-11-03 11:33:36
Very interesting. I'll admit that I probably make this mistake far more than I should. I've never thought about it in depth.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-11-03 11:36:23
Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »I love weaving through traffic, it's like a fluid dance or a strategy of "find the potentially fastest lane for that moment" and you could end up arriving 5 mins early while you have fun doing it lol I just find that to be dangerous, not necessarily because the driver doing it is dangerous, but more for the fact that something could go wrong quite easily with that method...like someone breaking unexpectedly..etc
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By Bahamut.Nixak 2011-11-03 11:39:16
Ill or not, the driver of the red car should get off the road and out of my way. I'm to busy to "feel" anything for him.
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-11-03 11:43:59
I always drive under the assumption that everyone else is a terrible driver.
Sort of on topic, I feel driving is a poor example. You shouldn't be driving if you're so ill that you can't maintain control of a vehicle. There are always a few exceptions, of course, but I think in general, you can attribute poor driving to poor drivers.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-11-03 11:48:30
I always drive under the assumption that everyone else is a terrible driver.
Sort of on topic, I feel driving is a poor example. You shouldn't be driving if you're so ill that you can't maintain control of a vehicle. There are always a few exceptions, of course, but I think in general, you can attribute poor driving to poor drivers. I'd say it illustrates the point quite well regardless of the errors of the example. Being a defensive driver is tried and true either way. :D
Unless you gain the ability to mind control other drivers to tell them to get off the road when you drive by. ;)
That and it's highly situation so erring in the frame of caution is much more effective rather than being aggressive...I think. :D
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-11-03 11:49:40
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2011-11-03 12:04:51
I don't understand. Like, in the driving example: What evidence is there that people with that negative behavior are more likely to ill rather than just bad drivers? Both reactions are evaluations of the other person based on very little observation.
Why is assuming them to be a bad driver any worse than assuming they're sick? Either way, you have to reach your destination and that person is some kind of obstacle.
OR... is it the temperament the key part? Because if so, wouldn't it be better to show the same evaluation of the driver? Like:
"Something is wrong with that driver." vs "What the hell is wrong with you!?!?!"
BUT! If that's the case, I don't really see any kind of significant difference between what is actually happening with the following driver.
Help me out!
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-11-03 12:10:45
I don't understand. Like, in the driving example: What evidence is there that people with that negative behavior are more likely to ill rather than just bad drivers? Both reactions are evaluations of the other person based on very little observation.
Why is assuming them to be a bad driver any worse than assuming they're sick? Either way, you have to reach your destination and that person is some kind of obstacle.
OR... is it the temperament the key part? Because if so, wouldn't it be better to show the same evaluation of the driver? Like:
"Something is wrong with that driver." vs "What the hell is wrong with you!?!?!"
BUT! If that's the case, I don't really see any kind of significant difference between what is actually happening with the following driver.
Help me out! I think temperament is the key.
Rather than getting pissed and let's say flipping the person the bird, you drive around them taking a wide berth in the case that they are just a bad driver they might accidentally hit you...just being careful really.
Essentially the way I see it the least amount of though invading assumptions the better.
Let's say instead of the driver being slow the person slammed on their breaks....in that case I'd say passing them but not heckling them would still be the most optimal solution..but I again am a defensive driver.
The peanuts example is a bit better of an example, I just pulled the driving image off of google images and it looked okay at face value lol.
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-11-03 12:12:28
It's blaming the actions/behaviour of someone on something dispositional as opposed to something situational.
"Hey, that guy has total trash for gear."
Dispositional: He must have downs and not know how to gear
Situational: He must like the way it looks. Or maybe, he was just hacked and this is the best he can do for the moment.
Not sure if that's a good example.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-11-03 12:14:01
It's blaming the actions of someone on something dispositional as opposed to something situational.
"Hey, that guy has total trash for gear."
Dispositional: He must have downs.
Situational: He must like the way it looks.
Not sure if that's a good example. Situational could be: He didn't have an account for X amount of time, he just joined, they may be a few signed gifts...etc
Though many of those would bring out more assumptions.
Hmmm...
How 'bout someone is 1 manning an NM stops moving all of a sudden and then dies.
Situational: Their dog just died, he almost poo-ed/pissed on themselves, dog disconnected controller.
Dispositional:what a noob, he doesn't know how to solo.
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By Odin.Liela 2011-11-03 12:14:40
People driving behind me in my neighborhood hate me. /blush. Well, we live a block away from a city park, a block from an elementary school, a few blocks from a library, and a few blocks from a middle school, and in the middle of a residential area with lots of small children. The speed limit is 30. I've had kids dart out in front of my car before, so I am really nervous about going 30 in this area. I go 25, and it ticks the people behind me off to all hell. I feel sorry for them... but I'm not speeding up for them and risking a child's life. If they are in that big of a rush, they should have left their house sooner. :/
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-11-03 12:14:48
I don't understand. Like, in the driving example: What evidence is there that people with that negative behavior are more likely to ill rather than just bad drivers? Both reactions are evaluations of the other person based on very little observation.
Why is assuming them to be a bad driver any worse than assuming they're sick? Either way, you have to reach your destination and that person is some kind of obstacle.
OR... is it the temperament the key part? Because if so, wouldn't it be better to show the same evaluation of the driver? Like:
"Something is wrong with that driver." vs "What the hell is wrong with you!?!?!"
BUT! If that's the case, I don't really see any kind of significant difference between what is actually happening with the following driver.
Help me out! I don't think this is about which conclusion is most often correct. It's about the difference between the viewpoints of the person doing something, and the third party observer. Most often the person in question blames the situation, and the observer blames the person (or makes generalizations about said person based on the action).
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By Asura.Ina 2011-11-03 12:16:08
It's blaming the actions of someone on something dispositional as opposed to something situational.
"Hey, that guy has total trash for gear."
Dispositional: He must have downs.
Situational: He must like the way it looks.
Not sure if that's a good example. Situational could be: He didn't have an account for X amount of time, he just joined, they may be a few signed gifts...etc
Though many of those would bring out more assumptions.
Hmmm...
How 'bout someone is 1 manning an NM stops moving all of a sudden and then dies. When you gotta go you gotta go.
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-11-03 12:17:25
Okay, ya, Vinvv, that would be better.
This is one of the very few things I remember from my psych class
I remember reading it's more prominent in Western culture too /shrug
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-11-03 12:19:35

This one sounds about right.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-11-03 12:24:14
Nice info. To add to it a little...
Regardless of the example, it's how you think about it that is the point. People tend to make excuses for their actions or mistakes and can justify it with the situation they are in. But with others they often just blame the person because they rarely know the situation.
Here's an example of this for me. I didn't submit my homework on time last night for my online class. The teacher probably thinks I'm poor at time management and choose to mess around for several hours instead of doing it and turning it in. In actuality my daughter was sick and throwing up all over the place so my wife and I got to spend hours tending to her, monitoring her condition, fetching various things and scrubbing bits of dinner out of our carpet. I justify my tardiness because of the situation, be it legitimate or not.
Many people will take the time and think in another person's shoes but even if you're the nice type who assumes that it was the situation rather than the person are making just as large assumption as the people who instantly blame the person.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2011-11-03 12:28:10
Oh ok, so the important part is something like,
"This person is driving bad right now."
vs
"This person is (always) a bad driver."
What's strange to me, though, is that if I put myself into that spot and go through each way of thinking, I don't think of the person any differently. Whether it's an older lady driving cautiously or someone not paying attention and texting while driving, they are both in my way just as much.
I'm not saying that a road rage kind of reaction is called for - although I'm definitely guilty of it, from time to time - just that if I do react that way, and later find out the A. the reason for it, or B. that overall, they are a swell person, I don't hold that against them. At the same time, if I am just out for a drive, and there is someone driving like that, but I act the second way, and that is the sum of my experience with that person, it's still a negative one.
If that makes any sense! :D
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »Nice info. To add to it a little...
OH, gotcha. I think that for me, I usually don't care enough either way. I really only care about what I need to do to get to work, or in your example, what we can do to get the paper turned in, if late.
I guess that shows a lack of empathy on my part... I can't really deny that, but at the same time, I feel like when it's called for, I am very empathetic and compassionate... I am more lost now than before. :)
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-11-03 12:33:17
Oh ok, so the important part is something like,
"This person is driving bad right now."
vs
"This person is (always) a bad driver."
What's strange to me, though, is that if I put myself into that spot and go through each way of thinking, I don't think of the person any differently. Whether it's an older lady driving cautiously or someone not paying attention and texting while driving, they are both in my way just as much.
I'm not saying that a road rage kind of reaction is called for - although I'm definitely guilty of it, from time to time - just that if I do react that way, and later find out the A. the reason for it, or B. that overall, they are a swell person, I don't hold that against them. At the same time, if I am just out for a drive, and there is someone driving like that, but I act the second way, and that is the sum of my experience with that person, it's still a negative one.
If that makes any sense! :D It makes sense...Fundamental Attribution Error is something that effects us on all levels, so even just attributing a small thing without getting pissed would still be a fundamental attribution error.
It's one of those things that our brains are just wired to do by default without a certain level of thinking about the instance.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-11-03 12:34:39
Driving also gives you a bit of anonymity and it is easy to become a different person when you drive. It's easier to just label someone as "that idiot in that blue car".
Reminds me of this.
http://xkcd.com/873/
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-11-03 12:41:54
Got another good one. This may not necessarily be Fundamental Attribution Error technically, but it's still an interesting exercise.
Citing an interesting question of a book I'm reading called "Thinking, Fast and Slow"
Quote: As you consider the next question, please assume that Steve was selected at random from a representative sample:
An individual has been described by a neighbor as follows: "Steve is very shy and withdrawn, invariably helpful but with little interest in people or in the world of reality. A meek and tidy soul, he has a need for order and structure, and a passion for detail." Is Steve more likely to be a librarian or a farmer?
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By Asura.Ina 2011-11-03 12:48:41
I feel like theres is more to Steve then you are letting on... Of the 2 I'd say librarian, idk why it's just the first that comes to mind.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-11-03 12:55:18
When I first thought about it, I'd say librarian simply because they tend to be organized and introverts. But the more I think about it with my personal experience of having lived out in the country around farmers, they are both accurate descriptions and I wouldn't go with either one more than the other.
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By Fenrir.Schutz 2011-11-03 12:56:40
Steve is clearly a MMORPG enthusiast.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2011-11-03 12:57:04
This is tough, because to me, the description "wants" us to pick librarian. However, of the farmer's I've met, they also tend to be helpful and keep to themselves. (Maybe by design or as a result of living a somewhat secluded lifestyle.) And I know that an awful lot more than "plant, water, harvest" goes into farming. So it could really be either.
But that's the point, right? We're not supposed to know based on that... which isn't fair because the question literally asks us to do just that.
Or maybe he's a librarian, but only because farmer's live far away from other people... :D (Guess that depends on one's definition of neighbor, and, there I go assuming all farmers have to live and work on large farms...)
Today, I will illustrate the term "fundamental attribution error", starting off with a hopefully familiar image from the comic strip "Peanuts".
In social psychology, the fundamental attribution error (also known as correspondence bias or attribution effect) describes the tendency to over-value dispositional or personality-based explanations for the observed behaviors of others while under-valuing situational explanations for those behaviors. The fundamental attribution error is most visible when people explain the behavior of others. It does not explain interpretations of one's own behavior—where situational factors are often taken into consideration. This discrepancy is called the actor–observer bias.
Quote: As a simple example, if Alice saw Bob trip over a rock and fall, Alice might consider Bob to be clumsy or careless (dispositional). If Alice tripped over the same rock herself, she would be more likely to blame the placement of the rock (situational).
Explanations:
1. Just-world phenomenon: Quote: The Misconception: People who are losing at the game of life must have done something to deserve it.
The Truth: The beneficiaries of good fortune often do nothing to earn it, and bad people often get away with their actions without consequences. A good example of this would be many who oppose the 99%-ers from the Occupy-Wall Street and the false dichotomy of them assuming that they are in their situation strictly out of choice...or they are drug addict sex craving hippies...either or. 2. Salience of the actor: We tend to pay attention to the subject doing the action or the "actor", Salient the root word of salience means "Most notable or important", so the salience of the actor would mean the actor is most notable when you are looking at another person, but when you are the actor you obviously cannot notice yourself in that sense so it falls to your surroundings. Referring to the text example posted previously, Bob would be the "Actor". 3.Lack of effortful adjustment: The core of this explanation is what we initially observe behavior to characterize a person with " Automaticity"
It's the animal part of you!
It's something that comes "second nature" without occupying as much in your mind. It's one of the things you can effectively do while doing something else. The wiki definition is:
Quote: Automaticity-is the ability to do things without occupying the mind with the low-level details required, allowing it to become an automatic response pattern or habit. It is usually the result of learning, repetition, and practice. Examples of automaticity are common activities such as speaking, bicycle-riding, assembly-line work, and driving a car(specifically on the highway or an empty stretch of road)
It's a product of PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE.
I'm reading a psychology book that terms it as System 1(for simplicities sake), System 2 is the critical thinking part of our brain that handles processing situational data, so when Bob trips over the rock it's not taken into account that the rock just happened to be there by a course of action, but more it's that he wasn't aware of the rock being there. This is situational framing, which the mind tends not to process as much when in the auto-pilot System 1 mode, nor are we able to access System 2 as easily when we are tired, which creates a lack of effortful adjustment.
Quote: To put it succinctly, it's "not paying attention".

Good examples:
Sekundes: Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »Nice info. To add to it a little...
Regardless of the example, it's how you think about it that is the point. People tend to make excuses for their actions or mistakes and can justify it with the situation they are in. But with others they often just blame the person because they rarely know the situation.
Here's an example of this for me. I didn't submit my homework on time last night for my online class. The teacher probably thinks I'm poor at time management and choose to mess around for several hours instead of doing it and turning it in. In actuality my daughter was sick and throwing up all over the place so my wife and I got to spend hours tending to her, monitoring her condition, fetching various things and scrubbing bits of dinner out of our carpet. I justify my tardiness because of the situation, be it legitimate or not.
Many people will take the time and think in another person's shoes but even if you're the nice type who assumes that it was the situation rather than the person are making just as large assumption as the people who instantly blame the person.
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