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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-11-02 15:08:29
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You do realize that, by law, if you are a 2nd Degree Blackbelt in a martial art, your hands must be registered as deadly weapons, yes?

By strict definition, hands can fall under category of weapon, yes, though more notably it is used in reference to an extension of the body, more-so than the body itself.
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By Carbuncle.Aeonknight 2011-11-02 15:09:11
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Siren.Clinpachi said: »
And again... you can try to classify anything as a weapon all day long, stab someone with a pencil if it makes you feel like roman times for all i care. But you'll seriously call the pencil a weapon? If you punch someone are your fists weapons?
inb4 Chuck Norris or Bruce Lee.
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By Artemicion 2011-11-02 15:09:16
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I'm sad, nobody [+]ed my Gabranth joke.
Anyways, time for work. Keep it clean kids, I like debating even on stuff as disturbing as this. Don't get it nuked!
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-11-02 15:09:31
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Carbuncle.Ianpyst said: »
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This is pretty much my thoughts on the matter.

I'm all for physical punishment, I'm a father and despite my short temper with the average person, I go to great lengths and tolerate A LOT my son does without raising my voice or a hand.. But sometimes "you need to stop" or "you're going to sit here" isn't enough. (And if fellow parents want to look down their nose at me for this, I really have no problem with that, let them.. It only bothers me when someone like Jet runs in and criticizes my parenting, if you weren't/aren't a parent, an adult fully responsible for a child, then come back when you have been.) Sometimes a couple of pops on the *** puts things in perspective in a way words never would have.

I draw the line at anything other than an open hand though.. If you have to use 'weapons' then either the spanking isn't for them (it's just you letting out your frustration like a drunk would do in a bar fight, kinda after the other person has already been knocked down/out) or spanking simply isn't working and it's time to rethink discipline.

The general rule in the terms of Psychology, is that anytime you result to a violent action, you made a mistake many steps before hand. A spanking or what-have-you should only be used when the the safety of the child is of immediate concern, not just to correct some random form of behavior. Even then, it should be with a hand and only done once.

The destructive power of spanking or hitting between the ages of 0-11 is very severe to their mental health as well as a long list of issues that will develop and come to fruition later in their life. Stopping them from walking out into a busy street or something equally dangerous can warrant a single hit, but "you are going to sit there" does not.

a much better stance than I usually see people have, but wouldn't restrain be a more appropriate measure?
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By Carbuncle.Aeonknight 2011-11-02 15:11:26
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Artemicion said: »
I'm sad, nobody [+]ed my Gabranth joke. Anyways, time for work. Keep it clean kids, I like debating even on stuff as disturbing as this. Don't get it nuked!
Gabranth has a sense of honor at least...

This guy is more Judge Dredd style.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-11-02 15:14:05
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Can't you just talk and reason with your child? Or if he's too stupid or not able to understand it fully, can't you use dramatic examples?(like you get blind if you masturbate; if you make faces you'll remain like that forever; etc). And if he's just a rebel, wouldn't a little vengeance work? I won't let you watch tv the whole week; all of your videogames are belong to us; etc.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-11-02 15:16:42
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I don't see why people tell their children NOT to masturbate, it's unhealthy not to release.

Oh yeah, bible nonsense yadayada...

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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-11-02 15:16:53
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Kids are much more intelligent than people give them credit for. Their short-comings are the parent's short-comings, whether directly or by causation. If you are unable to articulate yourself, your child will be unable to articulate themselves. Every time you lose your patience and snap at them, every time you ignore them because of work, every time you say something mean without realizing it, you are carving into that child's persona and sculpting their personality. Kids are not rebellious just because kids are rebellious, folks.
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By Drjones 2011-11-02 15:17:03
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Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
all of your videogames are belong to us; etc.
The most dreaded punishment of my childhood. There's no need for physical violence when you can inflict withdrawal symptoms instead. In retrospect it was pretty darn effective too.
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By Carbuncle.Ianpyst 2011-11-02 15:17:19
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Carbuncle.Ianpyst said: »
Psycho Slip said: »
This is pretty much my thoughts on the matter.

I'm all for physical punishment, I'm a father and despite my short temper with the average person, I go to great lengths and tolerate A LOT my son does without raising my voice or a hand.. But sometimes "you need to stop" or "you're going to sit here" isn't enough. (And if fellow parents want to look down their nose at me for this, I really have no problem with that, let them.. It only bothers me when someone like Jet runs in and criticizes my parenting, if you weren't/aren't a parent, an adult fully responsible for a child, then come back when you have been.) Sometimes a couple of pops on the *** puts things in perspective in a way words never would have.

I draw the line at anything other than an open hand though.. If you have to use 'weapons' then either the spanking isn't for them (it's just you letting out your frustration like a drunk would do in a bar fight, kinda after the other person has already been knocked down/out) or spanking simply isn't working and it's time to rethink discipline.

The general rule in the terms of Psychology, is that anytime you result to a violent action, you made a mistake many steps before hand. A spanking or what-have-you should only be used when the the safety of the child is of immediate concern, not just to correct some random form of behavior. Even then, it should be with a hand and only done once.

The destructive power of spanking or hitting between the ages of 0-11 is very severe to their mental health as well as a long list of issues that will develop and come to fruition later in their life. Stopping them from walking out into a busy street or something equally dangerous can warrant a single hit, but "you are going to sit there" does not.

a much better stance than I usually see people have, but wouldn't restrain be a more appropriate measure?

Yes, that would be better. I just ment it as an example of some dangerous thing a kid could be doing that puts their life as the immediate concern. I suppose it was a bad example. >.<
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-11-02 15:17:43
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
I don't see why people tell their children NOT to masturbate, it's unhealthy not to release.

Oh yeah, bible nonsense yadayada...

/sigh
Well, it was just to list examples. I'm aware that masturbation is healthy and helpful for sexual development.
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By Asura.Ina 2011-11-02 15:19:45
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Drjones said: »
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
all of your videogames are belong to us; etc.
The most dreaded punishment of my childhood. There's no need for physical violence when you can inflict withdrawal symptoms instead. In retrospect it was pretty darn effective too.
This worked best for me too

Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
I don't see why people tell their children NOT to masturbate, it's unhealthy not to release.

Oh yeah, bible nonsense yadayada...

/sigh
It's more about making sure they know there is a time and place to masterbate so there not doing it in fittingrooms and public bathrooms all the time.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-11-02 15:20:34
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Carbuncle.Ianpyst said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Carbuncle.Ianpyst said: »
Psycho Slip said: »
This is pretty much my thoughts on the matter.

I'm all for physical punishment, I'm a father and despite my short temper with the average person, I go to great lengths and tolerate A LOT my son does without raising my voice or a hand.. But sometimes "you need to stop" or "you're going to sit here" isn't enough. (And if fellow parents want to look down their nose at me for this, I really have no problem with that, let them.. It only bothers me when someone like Jet runs in and criticizes my parenting, if you weren't/aren't a parent, an adult fully responsible for a child, then come back when you have been.) Sometimes a couple of pops on the *** puts things in perspective in a way words never would have.

I draw the line at anything other than an open hand though.. If you have to use 'weapons' then either the spanking isn't for them (it's just you letting out your frustration like a drunk would do in a bar fight, kinda after the other person has already been knocked down/out) or spanking simply isn't working and it's time to rethink discipline.

The general rule in the terms of Psychology, is that anytime you result to a violent action, you made a mistake many steps before hand. A spanking or what-have-you should only be used when the the safety of the child is of immediate concern, not just to correct some random form of behavior. Even then, it should be with a hand and only done once.

The destructive power of spanking or hitting between the ages of 0-11 is very severe to their mental health as well as a long list of issues that will develop and come to fruition later in their life. Stopping them from walking out into a busy street or something equally dangerous can warrant a single hit, but "you are going to sit there" does not.

a much better stance than I usually see people have, but wouldn't restrain be a more appropriate measure?

Yes, that would be better. I just meant it as an example of some dangerous thing a kid could be doing that puts their life as the immediate concern. I suppose it was a bad example. >.<

I see your point, np.

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Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
I don't see why people tell their children NOT to masturbate, it's unhealthy not to release.

Oh yeah, bible nonsense yadayada...

/sigh
Well, it was just to list examples. I'm aware that masturbation is healthy and helpful for sexual development.

kay
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By Odin.Daemun 2011-11-02 15:20:42
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Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
I was never hit even a single time by my parents and I never got myself in trouble. Violence serves no purpose. A parent should inject trust, not fear onto his child.
Trust doesn't work on some personalities. Only fear does.


Not annulling this guy of his actions, he deserves to be someone's piece in prison, but the fear of pain goes a long way on pre-teens behaviour when used swiftly and sparingly.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-11-02 15:21:10
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Asura.Ina said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
I don't see why people tell their children NOT to masturbate, it's unhealthy not to release.

Oh yeah, bible nonsense yadayada...

/sigh
It's more about making sure they know there is a time and place to masterbate so there not doing it in fittingrooms and public bathrooms all the time.

to each their own...
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-11-02 15:26:15
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Doesn't physical punishment increases chance of even more rebellious behaviour?
I think it reflects in any kind of discussion. If you reason calmly with someone he's likely to listen to your words, if you yell at him he'll become even more stubborn just to defend his pride.
Isn't this similar? The kid gets hit and does it again and again until he proves that he 'won the battle' and you have no right to hit him again.
Maybe it depends on personalities.

Long story short: know your child.
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By Odin.Daemun 2011-11-02 15:26:16
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Asura.Ina said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
I don't see why people tell their children NOT to masturbate, it's unhealthy not to release.

Oh yeah, bible nonsense yadayada...

/sigh
It's more about making sure they know there is a time and place to masterbate so there not doing it in fittingrooms and public bathrooms all the time.

to each their own...
The only thing I can think of (as I think the Bible's teaching that it is better to spill 'seed' in the belly of a *** than on the ground is preposterous), is that the act eventually waters down orgasm. Remember the first hundred times? Get the same effect now, even during intercourse? More than likely not. I would try to limit it for that very fact, as it would have been great to have saved those intense feelings for the actual act with a partner, rather than a self date in Jr. High.
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2011-11-02 15:27:42
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In the absence of the common sense in this thread, i was raised with the understand that if i lied, cheated, stole, or any variations within, i would be severely punished with not only being physically screamed at to the point of fear, but one to two good strong hits with a belt. I would then be confined to my room or "grounded" as so few of you know it as. No TV, No Nintendo or no Toys period. I also wasn't allowed to go outside and play.

Just a man and his thoughts.

I was also given wine at dinner sometimes as most of my family is Italian. I was also given tastes of things which immediate I thought "eww beer is nasty" or baileys irish cream which is even worse to a kid who normally enjoyed the taste of soda or kool-aid even.

What was the end result?

I typically never did any wrong by anyone and I never got huge into the party scene because drugs/alcohol was such a retardedly forbidden pleasure in your life that you feel the need to live in a bottle becuase it's the "cool" or "in" thing to do. OR alternatively to forget about how shitty your life actually turned out to be so you drink.

My father was a truly abusive man, if you even remotely thought this video was bad i wish someone would have taped him instead. Luckily i had a good mother who didn't stand for it very long.

99% of the people in this thread will never understand the true meaning of raising a kid right, ever.

"oh my he used that belt as a weapon on that poor girl"
"a belt should never be used to hit a child"
"you shouldn't have to hit a child and instil fear to raise someone right"

Is the entire reason this new generation is the most amazing band of *** this country has ever seen.

Yes.. the video is wrong.. i stated that several times But i clearly stand behind a good ole fashioned passionate *** whooping and always will. All you have to do is come in the room after awhile and explain what just happened and why you had to whip him/her.

Enjoy pirating all of your music, movies, and videos by the way... your slowly killing the entire entertainment industry by stealing money straight from artists/designers pockets which leads to slow technological developments or new content. COULD also be the reason behind some of the economy as well.
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By Odin.Daemun 2011-11-02 15:28:53
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Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
Doesn't physical punishment increases chance of even more rebellious behaviour?
I think it reflects in any kind of discussion. If you reason calmly with someone he's likely to listen to your words, if you yell at him he'll become even more stubborn just to defend his pride.
Isn't this similar? The kid gets hit and does it again and again until he proves that he 'won the battle' and you have no right to hit him again.
Maybe it depends on personalities.

Long story short: know your child.
I was spanked a very small amount of times (can count on two hands probably). The idea, that on top of being in trouble wherever I was, I was also doomed to spankings when I got home, kept me from doing much wrong. I was fearful of the consequences long enough that I began to distaste being around those who committed such acts, and to this day don't like people that blatantly disobey rules.

I hope that spankings do the same service to my children (as my oldest has my brother-in-laws personality and I am at a last resort), since all other options (both positive and negative reinforcement) haven't.
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By Shiva.Darkmacabre 2011-11-02 15:29:20
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Clinpachi couldn't have said it any better. Might as well /thread.
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2011-11-02 15:30:13
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I try, trolls be trollin but thats all it boils down to in the end is good parenting and the difference.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-11-02 15:30:44
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Siren.Clinpachi said: »
I try, trolls be trollin but thats all it boils down to in the end is good parenting and the difference.
Oh please.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-11-02 15:31:09
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Because human history over the past two-thousand years was a gleaming example of how to run the world and raise your kids, right?

Also, you'd be better off pirating the music and pay-pal'ing the band the $10. They'd actually receive more than a quarter per purchase then.
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By Odin.Daemun 2011-11-02 15:31:34
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Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
Siren.Clinpachi said: »
I try, trolls be trollin but thats all it boils down to in the end is good parenting and the difference.
Oh please.
Would have been funnier had you said "troll please"
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By Phoenix.Ardiem 2011-11-02 15:32:09
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And you obviously turned out so well Clin.
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By slipispsycho 2011-11-02 15:32:16
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Carbuncle.Ianpyst said: »
Psycho Slip said: »
This is pretty much my thoughts on the matter.

I'm all for physical punishment, I'm a father and despite my short temper with the average person, I go to great lengths and tolerate A LOT my son does without raising my voice or a hand.. But sometimes "you need to stop" or "you're going to sit here" isn't enough. (And if fellow parents want to look down their nose at me for this, I really have no problem with that, let them.. It only bothers me when someone like Jet runs in and criticizes my parenting, if you weren't/aren't a parent, an adult fully responsible for a child, then come back when you have been.) Sometimes a couple of pops on the *** puts things in perspective in a way words never would have.

I draw the line at anything other than an open hand though.. If you have to use 'weapons' then either the spanking isn't for them (it's just you letting out your frustration like a drunk would do in a bar fight, kinda after the other person has already been knocked down/out) or spanking simply isn't working and it's time to rethink discipline.

The general rule in the terms of Psychology, is that anytime you result to a violent action, you made a mistake many steps before hand. A spanking or what-have-you should only be used when the the safety of the child is of immediate concern, not just to correct some random form of behavior. Even then, it should be with a hand and only done once.

The destructive power of spanking or hitting between the ages of 0-11 is very severe to their mental health as well as a long list of issues that will develop and come to fruition later in their life. Stopping them from walking out into a busy street or something equally dangerous can warrant a single hit, but "you are going to sit there" does not.
I'm well versed in psychology having been deep in it from the ages of 5 to about 15, then 16 to 18.

When it comes to this, I really don't care what psychology has to say in the matter.. If all children behaved rationally, then psychology would be a good guide for parenting, but since they don't, it doesn't. It's all fine and well for some psuedo-doctor to sit there and make judgements, as long as they aren't the one's having to raise the damned kid.

It being severe to their mental health is a stretch.. People are *** up, we live in an imperfect world, just becuase someone got whooped a few times in life (read: whooped, not beaten every single night) and turned out 'bad' doesn't mean the spanking is what caused it. Me and my brother's were raised differently, they were spanked, I was not (well not really, I can count on one hand the number of times I was spanked) in many ways I turned out worse than them.

I'm not one of those parents who listens to what every 'expert' has to say on the matter when it comes to parenting. I know what worked for me, I know what didn't. I know what works for my son, and I know what doesn't. You raise a kid and you know pretty much every little detail about them, and you know what punishments to use and when, you know when a certain punishment is going to get the message across and you know when you're going to have to 'up the ante'.

Parents have been raising children for thousands of years without the help of psychology and 'experts', for the most part they've turned out just fine. As a matter of fact, it seems the more and more people start listening to mass media and people who write books the worse off the generation of kids gets. If anything, I'd wager this new age type of parenting and letting every 'expert' tell them how to parent has been worse for the children than more traditional methods.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-11-02 15:32:45
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I approve of physical punishment for kids that aren't of the mental age to understand guilt or embarrassment. But at 16, you're way beyond that point. A moderate spanking at 5? Sure. A beating at 16? No.

Keep in mind this girl is around 23 now, so she'll probably end up regretting sending this video. If the father is like that, he'll probably oust her from the immediate family.
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By Odin.Daemun 2011-11-02 15:33:46
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Because human history over the past two-thousand years was a gleaming example of how to run the world and raise your kids, right?

Also, you'd be better off pirating the music and pay-pal'ing the band the $10. They'd actually receive more than a quarter per purchase then.
That being true, the point is that people don't understand pirating is theft. There is no gray area here, and people don't liken the two to each other but they are one in the same. In the olden days, you stole you lost that hand. Guess what; things weren't stolen like they are today, in a world where a thief can sue for injury while they were attempting to pilfer your hard earned assets.
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Equally, we're being robbed on a day to day basis by large corporations with ample amounts of money to lobby the government in their favor. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right, and just because it's wrong doesn't mean it's illegal. Theft is not as black and white as people make it out to be.
 
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