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Judge William Adams beats daughter
 Carbuncle.Aeonknight
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By Carbuncle.Aeonknight 2011-11-02 14:50:08
Judge William Adams beats daughter for using the internet. False statement is false, she didn't just use the internet she pirated music and movies that weren't even out yet on DVD/Blue-ray... and her parents found out. He could have been liable for fines or jail time as the account holder... and being that he is a judge of all things obviously this makes "daddy" slightly unhappy. He took it way too far by hitting her THAT damn many times though... and on the legs at that... I don't think there is anything wrong with a good ole fashioned *** whooping once in awhile but yeah... went way too far. I think the mom did a DECENT job by trying to tone it down and end it quick by making it a little less heated... but he came back... again... really? In the end it's wrong how hard/often/places he smacked her with the belt... but i'm all for this type of punishment in the end. If spankings are justified at all (a whole different can of worms), they're only really applicable on unruly children who can't be reasoned with. This girl is 16, a perfectly rational (at least as rational as a teen can be) individual. It should never have come to a beating, period. No matter how "justified" it feels.
So she's pirating ***and he's liable for it? Cut her off entirely. Destroy her computer, or password lock it, or something. There are legitimate ways to stop unauthorized use for your kids. Hell you could even cancel the internet entirely (assuming you have no use for it yourself.)
But this was straight up abuse. I'm all for discipline, and personally think that that's one thing that's sorely missing in households nowadays. But this isn't discipline. It stopped being about discipline a long time ago. This is just a guy on a power trip.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-11-02 14:51:32
1. That's considered "using the internet" for so many people...
2. judge needs to be in jail, for a long time.
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By Artemicion 2011-11-02 14:52:22
I think he's secretly a different kind of judge based on his temperament.
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By Drjones 2011-11-02 14:54:15
Physical violence is rarely anything other than abuse.
If it isn't causing more mental anguish to the person carrying out the violence than the one receiving it, then something has gone terribly wrong and someone is not suited to the role of parenthood.
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2011-11-02 14:55:26
I bet the girl stopped illegal downloads/pirating.
Just sayin~
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By Asura.Ina 2011-11-02 14:56:32
I bet the girl stopped illegal downloads/pirating.
Just sayin~ Doubt it, just more carful about it.
Abuse to that extent doesn't teach your kid not to do it, it just teaches them not to get caught. This applys even more so when that kid is 16.
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2011-11-02 14:57:33
ITT: a belt is a weapon.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-11-02 14:58:13
doubt it, pirates will be pirates.
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By Lakshmi.Greggles 2011-11-02 14:58:28
I bet the girl stopped illegal downloads/pirating.
Just sayin~
I gotta wonder if she really knew it was illegal. I remember back in high school when people would tell me it's okay to download something as long as SOMEONE ELSE bought it and is sharing it. Otherwise, it would still have been illegal...which isn't the case, but hey who knows. Maybe that's what she thought?
By Drjones 2011-11-02 14:58:34
I bet the girl stopped illegal downloads/pirating.
Just sayin~ Because that really matters, right?
People are terrible to each other. Know what would fix that? Mass genocide of the human race. It would stop war, famine, poverty and human suffering. Just sayin'.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-11-02 14:58:39
If I hit you with it, you can bet it is.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-11-02 14:59:21
it is:
weap·on
   /ˈwɛpən/ Show Spelled[wep-uhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
any instrument or device for use in attack or defense in combat, fighting, or war, as a sword, rifle, or cannon.
2.
anything used against an opponent, adversary, or victim: the deadly weapon of satire.
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By Artemicion 2011-11-02 14:59:25
The only time physical punishment is suitable is when (two key words here) the child is incorrigible.
Even then it falls under various conditions and circumstances to be warranted, more often than not, it isn't.
Problem is, she is no longer a child.
And her "infraction" can be corrected in many other non-violent and significantly more effective ways.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-11-02 15:01:40
The only time physical punishment is suitable is when (two key words here) the child is incorrigible.
Problem is, she is no longer a child.
And her "infraction" can be corrected in many other non-violent and significantly more effective ways.
as we all know, I disagree with the first half.
but the second half of this is accurate
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2011-11-02 15:02:45
I love people who try to get cute or technical on dictionary words.
A REAL weapon is one that falls under the category of a gun (Projectile) or a bladed instrument capable of causing immediate death or wounds... ie: Knife, Sword, ect ect ect.
If you want to get cute and claim a pencil or belt is a weapon that's your bag not mine.
By Artemicion 2011-11-02 15:03:14
I love people who try to get cute or technical on dictionary words.
A REAL weapon is one that falls under the category of a gun (Projectile) or a bladed instrument capable of causing immediate death or wounds... ie: Knife, Sword, ect ect ect.
If you want to get cute and claim a pencil or belt is a weapon that's your bag not mine.
Clin, it's not the item in particular that classifies it as a weapon, it's the manner in which it is used.
Virtually anything can be utilized as one.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2011-11-02 15:04:04
I love people who try to get cute or technical on dictionary words.
A REAL weapon is one that falls under the category of a gun (Projectile) or a bladed instrument capable of causing immediate death or wounds... ie: Knife, Sword, ect ect ect.
If you want to get cute and claim a pencil or belt is a weapon that's your bag not mine. I can kill you with a pencil.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-11-02 15:04:26
Clinpachi I can't describe how shallow that is.
By Drjones 2011-11-02 15:05:06
If I bludgeon someone to death with a monkey wrench, they are going to refer to it as the murder weapon. Don't be dense.
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By Ragnarok.Corres 2011-11-02 15:05:27
oh it's that time of the year again where we all gather all around the campfire and tell us stories about the most horrid persons we could imagine. A Father beating his daughter in a way we would not like to see, what comes next? i can not be far till we see a video of a Parent punching their children. Oh wait, there are some allready.
don't get me wrong. This is child abuse. However if you are 16 and pirate movies and music as a daughter of a Judge? congratulations girl you probably noticed that if you do ***like this it would hurt the reputation of your father. Well little did he know he was being recorded. So it all works out in the end for her, maybe not so much. Family drama ensues...
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By Lakshmi.Greggles 2011-11-02 15:05:41
I love people who try to get cute or technical on dictionary words.
A REAL weapon is one that falls under the category of a gun (Projectile) or a bladed instrument capable of causing immediate death or wounds... ie: Knife, Sword, ect ect ect.
If you want to get cute and claim a pencil or belt is a weapon that's your bag not mine.
Even if a belt isn't a blade, it can cause some pretty serious wounds. I wonder if you would think the same way had you been beaten with a belt the same way as shown in the video.
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By Carbuncle.Ianpyst 2011-11-02 15:06:00
This is pretty much my thoughts on the matter.
I'm all for physical punishment, I'm a father and despite my short temper with the average person, I go to great lengths and tolerate A LOT my son does without raising my voice or a hand.. But sometimes "you need to stop" or "you're going to sit here" isn't enough. (And if fellow parents want to look down their nose at me for this, I really have no problem with that, let them.. It only bothers me when someone like Jet runs in and criticizes my parenting, if you weren't/aren't a parent, an adult fully responsible for a child, then come back when you have been.) Sometimes a couple of pops on the *** puts things in perspective in a way words never would have.
I draw the line at anything other than an open hand though.. If you have to use 'weapons' then either the spanking isn't for them (it's just you letting out your frustration like a drunk would do in a bar fight, kinda after the other person has already been knocked down/out) or spanking simply isn't working and it's time to rethink discipline.
The general rule in the terms of Psychology, is that anytime you result to a violent action, you made a mistake many steps before hand. A spanking or what-have-you should only be used when the the safety of the child is of immediate concern, not just to correct some random form of behavior. Even then, it should be with a hand and only done once.
The destructive power of spanking or hitting between the ages of 0-11 is very severe to their mental health as well as a long list of issues that will develop and come to fruition later in their life. Stopping them from walking out into a busy street or something equally dangerous can warrant a single hit, but "you are going to sit there" does not.
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By Siren.Clinpachi 2011-11-02 15:06:19
And again... you can try to classify anything as a weapon all day long, stab someone with a pencil if it makes you feel like roman times for all i care. But you'll seriously call the pencil a weapon? If you punch someone are your fists weapons?
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By Asura.Ina 2011-11-02 15:07:19
I love people who try to get cute or technical on dictionary words.
A REAL weapon is one that falls under the category of a gun (Projectile) or a bladed instrument capable of causing immediate death or wounds... ie: Knife, Sword, ect ect ect.
If you want to get cute and claim a pencil or belt is a weapon that's your bag not mine.
Clin, it's not the item in particular that classifies it as a weapon, it's the manner in which it is used.
Virtually anything can be utilized as one. ^ this. A pencil or belt isn't automaticly a weapon but it is fully capable of causing death or wounds.
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By Lakshmi.Greggles 2011-11-02 15:07:39
And again... you can try to classify anything as a weapon all day long, stab someone with a pencil if it makes you feel like roman times for all i care. But you'll seriously call the pencil a weapon? If you punch someone are your fists weapons?
Well, yeah. They were used to aid in an attack of someone or something. They are by definition, weapons. At least in the context of what info you provided.
By Artemicion 2011-11-02 15:07:41
But you'll seriously call the pencil a weapon? If you punch someone are your fists weapons?
If it was used to stab or otherwise injure another, yes.
Also, yes.
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By Asura.Ina 2011-11-02 15:07:44
And again... you can try to classify anything as a weapon all day long, stab someone with a pencil if it makes you feel like roman times for all i care. But you'll seriously call the pencil a weapon? If you punch someone are your fists weapons? Yes
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-11-02 15:07:55
as soon as it is used to inflict harm, it is considered a weapon.
Don't be obtuse.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-11-02 15:08:26
One of the 'hottest' murders of the last years here(and still ongoing on news)has been committed with a belt.
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