COD: MW3

This is where the divide is between CoD and BF people.

CoD was developed with fun in mind. Game has always run smoothly, no major flaws aside from game mechanics being exploited, which happens in any game regardless of how balanced it was on release.

BF3 on the other hand is designed for realism. Sure you have to run for 2 minutes to find one enemy, but enemies aren't just standing there in front of you in real war anyway.

Now new players can feel even more ostracized when they begin playing.

That's one of my huge problems with the game, my first match ever I got matched against 3 Lv70's. It must take days/weeks to even train yourself to get positive K/D ratios in games, until then you get to put up with trash talk and demotivation.

Also I don't understand why there has to be a new game every time some new maps are designed. o.O

I'd have to disagree with this.. Someone I used to be friends with was a huge CoD fanboy and he pretty much always had 1st or 2nd place, regardless of server or team he was playing on, he does what he does very well.. But he doesn't play with the team at all he plays by himself, for himself 100% of the time. I've watched him play countless hours, even played with him.. The only time he'd gain any benefit from the team is when he had artillery or chopper gunner or w/e and needed to know where most of the enemies were. That can hardly be called team work, at best it's 'team advantage'. He just waited and took advantage when someone would pop UAV or w/e it was.

I agree with Clinpachi.. You really have to play with the team in BF3 to excel, that friend is living proof the same isn't true for CoD. I was going to stay out of the BF3 vs CoD debate, but I felt I had to say something because the statement you made is entirely untrue.

I'm waiting for the headlines:

Teenage boys dies from an unhealthy lifestyle of MD, Dorritos, and CoD: MW3.

Mountain Dew is Halo game fuel :c

CoD stole it.

Let's take blackops for an example in this.

Matchmaking of course... So i get thrown into a random game.. with random people... on a random map... no choice at all except the game mode itself.


Are we playing the same games lately? I'm pretty sure you must mean a UAV killstreak.. because i never once ever heard anyone on my team use voicechat to actually use strategy... only throw a fit or rage quit.

Considering they are going to release a map pack constantly and a billion addons that will push you into getting this which will make it look like a better deal... they already got your money and many people will follow you. I'm glad you have your wallet open and ready... i refuse.

Battlefield 3 i admit is a little slower paced when the games aren't full.... but look how big the maps are. Stick 64 players on one map on Caspian border for the PC and tell me its slow then...

I couldn't have summed that up any better myself... at all...

I just don't get what the emphasis on teamwork is about. Why should I rely on other people for me to enjoy the game? Teamwork is great when you're creating a game, sure, but beyond that, it should really be personal preference. For instance I might like using guns in my games, but someone else may prefer vehicles. BF3 players will say the guy that prefers vehicles is the right one, CoD players will say that I'm right for preferring gun-on-gun gameplay. Obviously, neither of us are right, it's just personal preference.

And this is the core of why there are always rivalries between games. Everyone out there will always either prefer BF3 more or MW3 more, but I think it's stupid to say either one is superior to the other.

One of the things I like about Battlefield is your ability to actually have a plan and carry it out, most of the time in CoD it's just run around spraying ammo with a submachine gun, whoever has the fastest reflexes wins the standoff...

Some people like to play in team based play, others like to run around and be rambo, different play styles, different games.

And why is that a bad thing? I think that's the core of what a good game is. Skill vs skill, the more skilled player wins, not the side with the better teamwork.

And I can make BF3 sound bad too. Ain't nothin' fun about getting spawn-camped by a helicopter and 3 tanks. Infantry Only servers fixed that, but then you lose whatever balance there was in the game.

Because that makes the game essentially a prettier version of Counter Strike.

In honesty that's why i said get both... it isn't worth arguing over. But you can't sit there with a straight face and tell me charging 50$ for premier memberships... or all this mountain dew and Doritos product endorsement is anywhere near right?

Lets make these kids prestige 10 times... but if they drink lots of mountain dew and doritos they will get there faster!

Red flag on health concerns.... big time.

Cin: I play COD because I want to be the one man army. I like being the *** that murders the entire lobby. I get all kinds of friend requests this way. I don't really care if we win or lose, as long as my score continually rises. That's not possible in BF.

I agree that the marketing is complete and utter BS, but quess what? When you have 40M loyal fans, you get away with stuff like this.

And Counter Strike is generally considered the best FPS of all time. Still not really seeing a problem here.

If that's what floats your boat, go for it.
I honestly don't see much fun in it at all.

Then again, I was never much of an FPS kinda guy.

No. I don't agree with the double exp things. But in the end it's not a big deal. Whatever benefit someone may gain by getting 15 free minutes of double exp is quickly evened out by you playing one more game than them.

The way I'm looking at it now, I bought a 12-pack of red and green game fuels, put a can of each on my shelf, used the codes, and not buying anything else. The game works fine either way. If someone wants to waste more money, so be it.

Not sure if trolling...

Oh man i've had a game like this once or twice. The moment i tried to get out of the aircraft carrier on a boat i got wrecked by gunfire and helicopters.... couldn't even make it to shore but 1-2 times and quickly died.

I sat there and laughed though... i enjoyed the challenge of trying to actually get to dry land only to fail miserably. Almost felt like D-Day lol. But when the RU team takes over A, B, and C... you can lock down the island pretty decently and stop them from coming over... i just let the next match start which went way better...

And if you really wanted fast paced have you tried team deathmatch or squad deathmatch? I barely spawn and turn a corner and there is around 2-3 members of an enemy squad pinning me down. Squad wipes are awesome bonuses... Conquest is slow, but probably my favorite. Rush is alright and moderate on speed... but man TDM and squad TDM are really really fast paced...

I unfortunately can't play anything in BF3 besides Conquest on Infantry Only servers. Battlefield has never been the FPS for me, not particularly surprised I'm not as into BF3 as I should be, but I can't deny it's a great game.

Just I prefer the more frenetic gameplay of CoD over Battlefield, is all.

Here lies the biggest problem with that reply, Not everyone will be as smart as you... and ignore the blatant advantages mountain dew or Doritos will give you... are you going to buy into the 50$ membership though?... They seem to have a billion angles to try and get more money out of you already...

And for anyone who doesn't fall victim to this insane amount of product placement... you still have to buy the map packs to stay current so either way they are going to get you.

Accepting it isn't honestly a good solution to me... Yeah you and me might be smarter than to buy cases and cases of mountain dew or junk food... but other people saying "Oh well, when you have 40 million fans you can get away with it" doesn't make it right to me.

Giving players advantages and xp boosts from things like this is completely unforgivable in my eyes.

That's the reply right there i was looking for... Completely fair and the same reason i might pick up a copy to play with some friends who i know are geeking out over this....

I just truly wish it wasn't a Call of Duty 4 clone and expansion each and every time... and now all this horrible product placement and benefits for people... it just really takes away the essence of the game for me.

I like it to be about having reflexes because trying to see people with ghillie suits laid down in dark spots on the map is ridiculous in a game. Sniping does wonders in real life and it is utilized for a reason: it creates an unfair advantage. It wouldn't be a fun game if everyone was laid down somewhere and no one ever got a shot off.

At first I thought the Elite thing was stupid as well.

Turns out you get a year of free membership to it just for getting the Hardened edition of the game, for an extra I think 20 dollars. I would have gotten the Hardened edition anyway, it's just the way I am, I'm getting the collector's Edition of Skyrim as well. But hey, I get all the DLCs and everything their site has to offer for free basically, considering.

As far as exp boosts go, some people will be LV80 by tomorrow probably. Beyond that, it doesn't really matter to me.


Major thing to remember in every CoD release is that guns don't get "better" as you get higher level. Just different varieties. Someone that's LV1 with extensive experience can still beat someone LV80 with less experience or skill. Levels and guns don't matter. There's no real "advantage" there.

The advantages gained from leveling are quite minor on the whole; sure they are there, but you can easily take apart people weaker than you at Level 1.

Level doesn't mean much outside of ColdBlooded/Ninja in MW2 and the two shot launcher in Blops. Guns are largely a playstyle choice.

EDIT: wups, I should point out One Man Army is a BIG FREAKING DEAL if you like to abuse that kind of thing.


Did his teams win or lose though? How significant were his kills? You tend to find a lot of high k/d people have terrible w/l. Sure, he may have a nice record... but does his team win?


Levels depending on teamwork involved:

1. no chat or communication: look at positions of allies on map. Assume that no (or few if the area is wide) enemies advance through where they face. Make mental notes of which teammate is in which area and watch killfeed. So many times I have survived because I've noticed a nearby teammate killed by a knife only to turn and narrowly save myself from said knifer.

2. minimal chat (which does happen) - co-ordinate basic moves like "all cap A and B!" in Domination. Spawn trap sometimes.

c. extensive chat (like between friends). Set up ambushes, block chokepoints, etc. Extensively restrict enemy motion. Spawn trap.


It still is very slow. Lots goes on, but you personally don't do all of that much. What is your average kills/minute?


You won't win against an organised group without a plan. Even when I'm playing with one other person which is like my minimum on most occasions, we have a good idea of what to do (eg: okay, at the start - rush B. Block chokepoint and then flank C), and then adapt it as the game goes on.

Reflexes and accuracy help a great deal, but you can be outmanoeuvred by strategy.

It is a HUGE misconception that there is no teamwork or strategy involved in CoD.

Except for the obvious skill (experience) barrier. >.>

Again (and no, Eburo, I'm not trolling), there are just too many people that like it just that way. If you can 'pretty' up the same game over and over and sell as many copies as they do, and have 20M people play it continually online, you will continue to do so. Until someone cries wolf with the COD series, it will continue to be COD 4 with new skin. Honestly, I like it. I know what to expect when I get it. I figure out which guns I like best, and commence running around with the sprint button mashed down shooting and stabbing people as fast as I can. It's the same rush I used to get doing the same thing in (what is now dead) paintball.

Level doesn't imply skill. If you come into CoD good at FPS etc already, you will still do well.

I thought you were saying *you* had 40 million fans, I misread lol


I guess, but most of FPS "skill" is knowing the maps and spawn points well in my opinion. (learned by playing over time, correlated with ranking up)

PS - By first match I mean your first time ever playing ANY CoD game.

That means nothing. I can lead a lobby (actually completely murder a lobby) at level 1 every time I prestige. Hell, when I picked up BO, I went 34-2 my VERY FIRST match. EU players were already lv 40 at the time with 12 hours of gameplay under their belt, and much, much (suppsed) better weapons than my default MP5k