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By Mesic 2011-09-15 21:23:07
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Pot protects against the damaging effects of alcohol on the brain. The irony of the wrong drug being legal has never been more hilarious.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0023690

"Cessation of chronic ethanol consumption can increase the sensitivity of the brain to excitotoxic damages. Cannabinoids have been proposed as neuroprotectants in different models of neuronal injury, but their effect have never been investigated in a context of excitotoxicity after alcohol cessation"

Notice it 'says proposed as neuroprotectant', alcohol isn't the only thing pot helps protect your brain from. See Alzheimers and brain turmors.
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-09-15 21:24:37
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Cool.

You carry on doing your pot with any justification you need to make yourself feel better.
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By Fenrir.Enternius 2011-09-15 21:24:45
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The only reason marijuana is illegal is because of a smear-campaign in the 1980s (I believe) where hemp was starting to become a substitute for cloth and wood and some wood guy made it illegal to use on the grounds that it's a drug at all.
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By slipispsycho 2011-09-15 21:25:59
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Fenrir.Enternius said: »
The only reason marijuana is illegal is because of a smear-campaign in the 1980s (I believe) where hemp was starting to become a substitute for cloth and wood and some wood guy made it illegal to use on the grounds that it's a drug at all.
Goes back way further than the 80's.
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By Phoenix.Fondue 2011-09-15 21:26:06
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feature length documentary on what really happened.
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By Bismarck.Moonlightespada 2011-09-15 21:43:20
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Psycho Slip said: »
Fenrir.Enternius said: »
The only reason marijuana is illegal is because of a smear-campaign in the 1980s (I believe) where hemp was starting to become a substitute for cloth and wood and some wood guy made it illegal to use on the grounds that it's a drug at all.
Goes back way further than the 80's.
1920s if i remember right.
 
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2011-09-15 21:50:25
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How many cannabis threads do we have now?
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By slipispsycho 2011-09-15 21:51:25
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Turns your short term memory into ***after prolonged heavy use (basically staying high pretty much everyday all day for years) but then, pretty much anything used to such an excess will have negative repercussions.
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By Diabolos.Slanderous 2011-09-15 21:51:45
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
How many cannabis threads do we have now?
1 more.
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By Bismarck.Moonlightespada 2011-09-15 21:52:35
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
How many cannabis threads do we have now?
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By Mesic 2011-09-15 22:00:17
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Carbuncle.Flionheart said: »
Cool.

You carry on doing your pot with any justification you need to make yourself feel better.

Lol. I'm guessing joke/troll attempt. Good try though. Otherwise, yea, science? pft. And I feel pretty good actually. BTW I "do pot" good, really good, ooo yea.

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Turns your short term memory into ***after prolonged heavy use (basically staying high pretty much everyday all day for years) but then, pretty much anything used to such an excess will have negative repercussions.

And a person who always takes sleeping pills will always be tired. And a person who always drinks alcohol will always be drunk (skewed motor skills, reaction speed, and judgement). Are you trying to make something sound like a permanent effect simply because a person 'can' do it permanently?

Edit: Or wait if you mean doing it for a long time will effect you permenatly thats not very true either, long term pot use has not been shown to be damaging. The opposite rather. Remember pots neuroprotective, if anything. It does not kill or harm your brain cells in anyway. It does not "harm" your brain in that temporary time you do lose your short term memory (aka while your high), it effects it (and by using a part of your brain that you only use for getting high), but that doesn't mean in a way that its "breaking" anything sort to speak. People get scared over that, but its really simple.

See here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21749524
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By Bismarck.Axilla 2011-09-15 22:10:45
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By Bismarck.Themuffingirl 2011-09-15 22:14:06
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Mesic said: »
simply because a 'can' person do it permanently?

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By Mesic 2011-09-15 22:15:16
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Bismarck.Themuffingirl said: »
Mesic said: »
simply because a 'can' person do it permanently?

?

fixed. switch the words can and person.
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By Fenrir.Eneas 2011-09-15 22:16:24
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Fenrir.Enternius said: »
The only reason marijuana is illegal is because of a smear-campaign in the 1980s (I believe) where hemp was starting to become a substitute for cloth and wood and some wood guy made it illegal to use on the grounds that it's a drug at all.

i believe it was the 30's when the paper industry in US got in a crisis.

One of the first ford car was made for the majority in hemp and if i am correct was running on hemp oil.
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By Mesic 2011-09-15 22:17:26
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Fenrir.Eneas said: »
Fenrir.Enternius said: »
The only reason marijuana is illegal is because of a smear-campaign in the 1980s (I believe) where hemp was starting to become a substitute for cloth and wood and some wood guy made it illegal to use on the grounds that it's a drug at all.

i believe it was the 30's when the paper industry in US got in a crisis.

One of the first ford car was made for the majority in hemp and if i am correct was running on hemp oil.

the declaration of independence will get you high if you smoke it.
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By Bismarck.Themuffingirl 2011-09-15 22:27:43
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Side-effect of the pot obviously.

I personally hate this subject because of my own experiences with an ex who was addicted to pot and decided being stoned all the time was far more important than I ever would be to him. Not to mention inhaling anything into your lungs can be unhealthy and lead to cancer. I personally hate the feeling of being high. Nothing fun about being a vegetable, I also prefer to remember what just happened 5 minutes ago. To each their own, but you really don't need to try to prove anything with "science" because debates like this are never going to stop pot heads from smoking or start non-smokers smoking. Better or worse than alcohol? Who cares, legal or not, if you're a pot head you're going to do it anyway by whatever means necessary. Same with alcohol, people will find a way to do what they want. To me it's like religion, let me feel how I feel about it and stop trying to press your beliefs on others that don't agree with you. Do whatever makes you happy. /endrant
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By Mesic 2011-09-15 22:35:03
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Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »
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Side-effect of the pot obviously.

I personally hate this subject because of my own experiences with an ex who was addicted to pot and decided being stoned all the time was far more important than I ever would be to him. Not to mention inhaling anything into your lungs can be unhealthy and lead to cancer. I personally hate the feeling of being high. Nothing fun about being a vegetable, I also prefer to remember what just happened 5 minutes ago. To each their own, but you really don't need to try to prove anything with "science" because debates like this are never going to stop pot heads from smoking or start non-smokers smoking. Better or worse than alcohol? Who cares, legal or not, if you're a pot head you're going to do it anyway by whatever means necessary. Same with alcohol, people will find a way to do what they want. To me it's like religion, let me feel how I feel about it and stop trying to press your beliefs on others that don't agree with you. Do whatever makes you happy. /endrant
Yes retaining control of your faculties is a big factor for me too. Had far too many friends be moronic and drink and drive or worse by letting inhibitions go when they weren't even in control

Totally disagree, first there is no correlation to lung cancer, if anything its been shown to help lung cancer. Secondly thats you're ex's fault. Plain and simple. You cannot blame a drug thats about addicting as a persons morning cup of coffee on the drug, thats such a scape goat for your ex and your ex's actions. It does matter if its legal, because it cost tax money to enforce the laws, and people that shouldn't have a criminal record do have one. This post was way to passive.
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By Bismarck.Themuffingirl 2011-09-15 22:40:51
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It's the stupid mindset of "it isn't affecting anyone but me" that really pisses me off about most drug users. They tend to forget about the people that care about them and how they might feel.

Also, forgetting to pick up your son or forgetting your anniversary dinner because you were high when you were told when to do it is pretty up there on the "I'm a douchebag" scale.

Do whatever you need to do to feel content with your life, but I'll certainly never date another pothead again. I don't even want to be around the stuff.
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By Mesic 2011-09-15 22:43:40
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Bismarck.Themuffingirl said: »
It's the stupid mindset of "it isn't affecting anyone but me" that really pisses me off about most drug users. They tend to forget about the people that care about them and how they might feel.

Also, forgetting to pick up your son or forgetting your anniversary dinner because you were high when you were told when to do it is pretty up there on the "I'm a douchebag" scale.

Do whatever you need to do to feel content with your life, but I'll certainly never date another pothead again. I don't even want to be around the stuff.

Its the person that thinks that, the drug doesn't put it in their brain. Be responsible, and still live your life, some people just cant handle that, with or without pot.
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By Bismarck.Themuffingirl 2011-09-15 22:51:02
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I agree not everyone that smokes pot is alike and that he was an idiot for letting it control him the way he did. But I've certainly found it very hard to hold conversations with friends who were high simply because they were so disconnected from reality. Maybe I'm the only one who finds it incredibly awkward to be sober talking to somebody that's stoned and have them start laughing at random things that aren't funny. Maybe everyone I've ever known that's been high around me just handles it poorly, I don't know. I'm jaded on the subject and certainly not trying to convince you "it's bad don't do it". You do what you want and I'll do what I want and life will be just dandy. Also, while it may not cause cancer on the level that cigarettes are shown to, the smoke still contains carcinogens and it breaks down the cells in your lungs, weakens your immune system and makes you more vulnerable. It may not be as great of a threat but the threat is there.
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By Damiyen 2011-09-15 22:52:51
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I hope your pot is strong enough for you to so lightly push aside not being able to get into a good college, find a job, and killing your parents because they took away your stash too. But I'm pretty sure there still pot in prison so its all good right?
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By Fenrir.Skadoosh 2011-09-15 22:58:37
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Pot is lame lol. I smoked everyday for the last four years of my life, and I stopped cold turkey about two months ago. Honestly, I've never felt better. I'm not lazy and couchridden anymore, and I don't sleep for 12 hours a day. As for alchy, I don't drink, but those that find marijuana innocuous should know that smoking everyday really kills your quality of life.
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By Bismarck.Themuffingirl 2011-09-15 23:00:39
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The killing your parents part is pretty extreme, someone that does that is either on something else besides pot or really needs some psychiatric help for an underlying illness.
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By slipispsycho 2011-09-15 23:38:53
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Mesic said: »
Carbuncle.Flionheart said: »
Cool.

You carry on doing your pot with any justification you need to make yourself feel better.

Lol. I'm guessing joke/troll attempt. Good try though. Otherwise, yea, science? pft. And I feel pretty good actually. BTW I "do pot" good, really good, ooo yea.

Psycho Slip said: »
Turns your short term memory into ***after prolonged heavy use (basically staying high pretty much everyday all day for years) but then, pretty much anything used to such an excess will have negative repercussions.

And a person who always takes sleeping pills will always be tired. And a person who always drinks alcohol will always be drunk (skewed motor skills, reaction speed, and judgement). Are you trying to make something sound like a permanent effect simply because a person 'can' do it permanently?

Edit: Or wait if you mean doing it for a long time will effect you permenatly thats not very true either, long term pot use has not been shown to be damaging. The opposite rather. Remember pots neuroprotective, if anything. It does not kill or harm your brain cells in anyway. It does not "harm" your brain in that temporary time you do lose your short term memory (aka while your high), it effects it (and by using a part of your brain that you only use for getting high), but that doesn't mean in a way that its "breaking" anything sort to speak. People get scared over that, but its really simple.

See here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21749524
I'm speaking from my own personal experience as well as discussions I've had with my fellow smokers.. All of has had at least 'decent' short term memory before we started smoking heavy, I had great short term memory. This was from a period before I got into other drugs and before I even liked alcohol. There's really no doubt in my mind that it played it's part in my short term loss. I don't need a study to recognize a pattern. Wasn't just me that had this same story. Besides it's pretty damn difficult to find an un-biased study on marijuana.. Most all of them have some agenda or another, they're either for, or against it.

Anyways like I said, anything used in excess is going to be bad, you can actually overdose on even water, which is one of the most innocuous substances we'll ever ingest. I have no problem with weed, if I could still get it, I'd probably still be smoking it.. I'm just not going to downplay and make it out like it doesn't have it's downsides in and of itself (I.E. downsides other than chemicals that may be added that are harmful like pesticides or the legal repercussions of having an illegal substance). I definitely don't think it should be illegal, and should be no more regulated than tobacco or alcohol is, but it does have negative long-term effects, as well as positive ones.
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By Ragnarok.Corres 2011-09-16 05:58:53
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Carbuncle.Flionheart said: »
Cool.

You carry on doing your pot with any justification you need to make yourself feel better.
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By Bismarck.Pawnskipper 2011-09-16 09:45:51
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This again?

Mary Jane has proven to be a very beneficial herb time and time again. We all know there is no reason for it to be illegal. But, like all truely beneficial things to society, they are made illegal based on misinformation, lolreligion and profit.

Carbuncle.Flionheart said: »
Cool. You carry on doing your pot with any justification you need to make yourself feel better.

Well, the pot itself would make us feel better. Thats justifaction enough. Its just really unsettling when such an herb exist with such proven potential for mankind (Smoker or NOT), yet its still illegal based on some criteria that any other LEGAL substance fits.

/Grabs a spliff and lighter
I guess weed is a victim of a double standard in a backwards world.

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It's the stupid mindset of "it isn't affecting anyone but me" that really pisses me off about most drug users. They tend to forget about the people that care about them and how they might feel. Also, forgetting to pick up your son or forgetting your anniversary dinner because you were high when you were told when to do it is pretty up there on the "I'm a douchebag" scale. Do whatever you need to do to feel content with your life, but I'll certainly never date another pothead again. I don't even want to be around the stuff.


Fair enough. I woulda left too. But lets not clump the people who cannot handle the stuff with people who are responsible with it. I dont think you would label everyone at a lounge having cocktails an alocholic would you? And I dont think it was the weed that made him forget the anniversary, guys have been forgetting things like that since the beggining of time. lol
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