Thoughts On Raven And Wolf

The gunblade and gunlance sound interesting!

Final Fanservice XIV

I hope gunblades are available for equipping.

God forbid a Final Fantasy game have Final Fantasy tropes...

When those "tropes" only serve to cheapen their namesakes then yes, yes indeed. Just slap "Final Fantasy" or something pertinent to it, and people will rush to defend it. "Materia" and "gunblades" should not be whored out in a franchise that used to pride itself in isolation of continuities. Then again, product integrity died with "Squaresoft/Square."

I like how you say they are "whored out" when they are included again as part of the main Final Fantasy series. How dare they reintroduce a great idea for an augmentation system, a weapon AND add a new variation of one in a later game! It's like saying they whored out swords because they were used in FF1 and then in every title after that, moronic logic there.

I for one think it's a great thing to add and I'm looking forward to seeing if we can use these myself.

The "augmentation" system doesn't have to be named "Materia." Materia as seen in FFVII seems completely redundant with the game's cross-job ability system. They had an augment system in FFXI. The gunblades from FFVIII and FFXIII were both in technologically advanced worlds--not in backwater Eorzea+airships. It does not fit in this game. So for you to compare a gunblade to a sword--something universal to the majority of ancient world to a weapon that isn't even used in real life and then to question my logic? Oh man. I'm sorry, I really shouldn't bother replying to that lovely statement as I don't know how to project braille to your monitor.

By the way, this game is not made by the same people who first introduced the gunblade or materia. The heirs of sound intellectual property may be the rightful heirs indeed, but they're a disgrace nonetheless.

I have my opinions just like you have yours. How militant you are. I must confess though, I had a great big *** trollface on when I hit the submit button on my former post. I knew I would fish a few just like you out. I bet you think Kingdom Hearts has an amazing story and that FF TA is just as good as the original too. :-D

Yeah gunblades are for advanced societies, not like the empire. After all, we know nothing about them. Oh, except that the reason they are an empire is by dominating with highly advanced technology, derp derp derp.

I myself never was a fan of gun blades, but your logic is just laughable Ashua.

Oh, so now we are going to ignore the facts and use the presumptuous argument that this unrevealed empire is going to be technologically advanced (as in present day earth or beyond seeing as how no one in this world uses gunblades) that this justifies the claim? I have yet to see any evidence to suggest the empire will be super-advanced. So what? Does that make the three starting cities equivalent to Africa when the British EMPIRE was colonizing? Were they not "technologically advanced" as well? Yes, you sure got me there, fangirl dep derp derp.

Also, I love how people challenge my "logic" and never back their claims with facts or anything beyond ad hominism. Still trying to see how comparing swords to gunblades is legitimate logic seeing as how swords actually exist and have for thousands of years.

Instead of claiming that the gunblade shouldn't be in the game because of technological restrictions you should read the Grand Companies page on the lodestone, it explains everything there. If there's one thing SE is good at it's creating backgrounds and in depth plotlines. I mean.. they have guns and they have swords, what's so technologically advanced about putting them together?

It's too bad that you think that way, maybe if you stopped being so critical you could enjoy the game more, without moaning about the reused names from older games.

It's funny that you think your post "fished me out", keep trying!

u mad u mad

And lol.

"what's so hard about putting them together?" Tell that to real world R&D. To make a functional gunblade would be to make a very gimp gun. A better question is why?

So mad that I made u read the grand companies page to see how wrong you are :O

If you actually played XIV and had seen the storyline up to its current point you'd understand.. It's kinda sad that you have anything to say at all about a game you hardly play ; ;

How do you know what I have played?

Edit:

Yes, they can play with plots if they want to justify gunblades in their fiction, but that avoids the underlying question:

WHY did they want gunblades in the game to begin with? Someone went out of their way to justify their presence in a setting that is early industrial at best. Were you on board when they wanted to call chocobos "horsebirds?"

The powerz of interwebz are astounding!

The generals are pretty badass, maybe a couple of the end-game bosses we'll get to fight at some point. The artwork and design for FFXIV has always been one of its strong points, and the design of these generals makes these weapons very suited towards them. Again, the Grand Companies page explains how the Garlean Empire has taken control of the majority of Eorzea through their advanced technology, and it's shown again throughout the storyline encountering the empire's troops and machinery.

A gunblade and gunhalberd are very appealing weapons, and definitely suit an evil general, seems very logical to me.

I will agree about the general look of the game being decent. The armor designs are certainly better than FFXI's. The world is pretty souless but I don't complain about that because that isn't something I would expect some resolution on until 1 or 2 expansion's time.

The gunhalberds aren't too bad if theyre played down to be like musket bayonets, but you know how heavy a gunblade must be? I couldn't see a gunblade revolver being fired at anything more than 2 feet to contact distance.

Maybe the empire will be especially advanced, and if the world does show itself to be more advanced than it has thus far, I wouldn't mind gunblades as much. I just don't like them in this game as it presently stands.

Says specifically on the company page, I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you would actually attempt to keep up with information on the game that you were attempting to argue against. Also, when playing a game that specifically has fantasy in the title, it's best to attempt to suspend your disbelief on certain matters. Especially when arguing how irrational gunblades are as weapon, which they are. While still attempting maintain that swords make perfect since they've been around in RL, note that they didn't survive alongside guns for long. What little time they did they were more ornamental than anything.

Have you seen the FMV opening? Those airships are from Garlemald, so even if we haven't seen much of them in-game yet you can tell they've got to be pretty damn advanced.

Also, the world of XIV falls into the "high fantasy" category. It's definitely a fantasy world, but the levels of society and technology don't necessarily have to correlate with how they developed in real life.

How can you speak of giving me the benefit of doubt concerning flavor text when you have not met that same benefit in actually looking at the paragraphs I have posted here, for if you had really read what I said, then you would see that I only mentioned swords as a response to the other guy's post because he said that swords first appearing in FFI and every game since should somehow sanctify the recycling of gunblades wherefore swords are among the world's most common weapons and gunblades are extremely flamboyant and as such should not be equated with one another in his argument. And I don't care what their flavor text says--it is nothing but a band-aid to justify the arbitrary will they had in using the weapon. I'm sure they could make a nice flavor text to justify the use of atom bombs or space shuttles or godzilla in the game too if they wanted.

I actually like the gunblade weapon and have since FFVIII---just not in this game.

Yes, I saw it a couple of times. The story also suggests that airships are a new technology and not something that is exactly mass produced. For players to get their hands on gunblades (as opposed to it being limited to a few bosses) would be like native americans rocking the european technology and yes I know they did get their hands on it from time to time, but it wasn't like they were overstocked with them.

You have said that the game is a high fantasy genre--yes it is. Also you were right to say that technology advancement does not have to be a sequential clone of our world. I was aware of this and these are very best arguments I have seen here about gunblades. There is no way around that one. Still, I don't see the necessity of a "transitional form" in weapon technology evolution except in the case of grievous reload times I.E. muskets.

It's just cool. :)

And yeah, of course the developers know that using ideas from older FF games will attract more fans (and that's really crucial with the game's current state), but I don't think they're "whoring out." That's the point of continuing a series, people become familiar with some of the recurring themes and want them to carry over.

Judging by the fact you've consistently made statements about the history / story of the game that are completely guesswork on your part at best. I.E. "The gunblades from FFVIII and FFXIII were both in technologically advanced worlds--not in backwater Eorzea+airships. It does not fit in this game." "The story also suggests that airships are a new technology and not something that is exactly mass produced." gives me the idea that you have either A. Never played this game, or B. are very new to it.

Not to mention it is absolutely HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE to claim that the history of the empire was made up simply to justify gunblades. Besides, there has been no mention of players being able to use these weapons yet. Even if there were however, your claim that it would be like native americans suddenly having them is absurd at best. If you knew anything about the story there is a resistance movement within the empire that has on several occasions managed to sneak out serious intelligence, not to mention the escape of a engineer working in R&D for garland to Gridania. Eorzea isn't THAT primitive, especially since guns themselves are widespread in Limsa Lominsa, even so far as to be home to a musketeers guild. What is so far fetched to you that a civilization that has both guns and swords, might attempt combining them. Oh wait, that only makes sense in an extremely advanced civilization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_sword. I know though, tough to believe a civilization that has figured out flight might consider building a firearm into the design of a sword, thats FUTURE stuff!

lulz. u mad u mad

I knew they have existed as alluded to in earlier posts concerning the difficulties of making a functional gunblade that is also "useable." From your wiki:

"Pistol swords were not widely used and became uncommon relatively quickly, due to their expense and because instead of getting two weapons in one, one got a heavy pistol and a heavy, off-balance sword, as shown by the poor performance of the Elgin pistol."

That says it all. Why don't you get back to me when SE's gunblades aren't great big pieces of crap like the historical ones, since if you fail to keep both sides of an equation proportional, the equation is sick. Although I will much prefer gunblades to wooden ***-paddles (macuahuitls.)

I said:

"The story also suggests that airships are a new technology and not something that is exactly mass produced."

I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere in the flavor text. Airships may be numerous within the empire, but theyre passed off as cutting edge elsewhere. And perhaps some of us would rather "learn" these things from the game experience rather than gobbling the information down as an appetizer. Revelation of plot is sweeter within its native context. On aside, you provoked this: This game's story in as far as I have gone in both Limsa's arc and Gridania's is completely boring garbage; a pound of reading for a mililitre of substance. Maybe I am just spoiled on game stories from the early 2000s and before.

You said:

"Not to mention it is absolutely HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE to claim that the history of the empire was made up simply to justify gunblades."

Way to twist my words. I did not say that at all unless you are suggesting the that gunblades are the very core of that nation's history. Something tells me that the empire's story would be unaffected if there were no gunblades. What I am saying is that they integrated them within the story of the empire so that they might explain them away. I.E. making it more convenient to have them. None of the other empires in comparable FF worlds had them. While that doesn't really matter, I couldn't image playing FFIV, VI, or IX with gunblades around.

Why do you have such an issue with me having an opinion? I acknowledge that your opinion of my opinion is also an entitled opinion, but what makes your opinion inherently superior to my opinion?

Ohnoes its the umad defense!

Its tailored to the ad hominem offense.

A claim towards your tentative grasp on the story and aspects of FFXIV is not quite ad hominem.

Oh? Excerps from your other posts that seem more directed at me (ad hominem = "to the man") and less directed at the relevant subject.

....they were used in FF1 and then in every title after that, moronic logic there. (ohhh the irony)

It's too bad that you think that way, maybe if you stopped being so critical you could enjoy the game more, without moaning about the reused names from older games.

If you actually played XIV and had seen the storyline up to its current point you'd understand.. It's kinda sad that you have anything to say at all about a game you hardly play ; ;

I have yet to find any of you apart from Kowen offer an argument that is not empty bubble-wrap. Your arguments seem to follow the forumla: "If you played/read you would know. and therefore your logic is broken." Yet you have not stated plainly what in the empire's storyline (which I would rather see IN GAME and not on lodestone)is such a eureka moment? No, I have not seen any real rationale. Its just SE knows best. Well, that may have been true a few years back, but I'll keep my opinion and youll continue in yours. I miss Sackaguchi.

Anyways, gotta get back to that game that I never play. "peace."

I never claimed gunblades are practical, that wasn't the argument. There isn't such a thing as a practical manner of making a sword with a gun in it. It's a stupid idea, which is why I never liked it in the first place. God, you are entirely right, I AM mad. There is nothing more enraging than attempting to reason with an idiot. The majority of what I mentioned I got from playing through the storyline, not from reading online.

"And I don't care what their flavor text says--it is nothing but a band-aid to justify the arbitrary will they had in using the weapon. I'm sure they could make a nice flavor text to justify the use of atom bombs or space shuttles or godzilla in the game too if they wanted."

You implied that the empire's "flavor text" aka the history was just an attempt to justify gun blades, note the "And I don't care what their flavor text says--it is nothing but a band-aid to justify the arbitrary will they had in using the weapon." What exactly is your problem with them reusing their previous popular ideas? I suppose summons are a really lame fan service too right? After all, they attract people to the game because they were popular in all the others. My problem with your opinion is you attempt to present it as fact, and in a smarmy *** manner at that. Lets not kid ourselves, you think your opinion is superior to my own as well, otherwise you wouldn't be arguing it. The only difference is you had to resort to the ultimate cop out of, "u mad". Hurr hurr hurr you got me, and you only made yourself look like an idiot in the process.

Maybe your not spoiled on great class rpgs, maybe your just a jaded self important idiot. After all, someone who plays the game and likes it must just be a mindless fan defending it. Your different though, you barely tried the game and decided you hate it, so you spend your time on a forum for a game you don't even play bashing it.

Complaining about a piece of "Advanced technology" in a game that is seemingly set in a more "Medieval" era is really just opening up a can of worms.

I mean, if you're gonna do that, you may as well complain about every other Final Fantasy game that is set in a futuristic world with highly advanced technology (FF7,10,13 to name a few), that still rely on primitive melee-ish weapons like swords, etc... I know a select few use guns, but the majority don't, which is actually just silly when you stop and think about it.

Rule #1. Never bring a knife to a gun fight.


My $0.02.

Lol. Im done with you. Youre just the reason this company still exists. What a dumbass. Keep on encouraging SE to put out crappy games by defending everything they do when they could be focusing on decent projects such as Chrono game or a "decent" Final Fantasy instead of more terrible FFVII spin offs. A brood of enablers.

As for your charge that I don't play the game and that I "hate it," I would love to hear your explanation as to why I force myself to grind through my leves and craft leves for two characters every single time leves are restored.

Oh yes. and u still mad

Another challenger arrives.

I never said it was "medieval." If you read what I said, I called it early industrial. Go ahead and check for yourself.

As far as your red herring attempt to "get" me, I am afraid that is irrelevant. I never said it wasn't a bit HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE to have guns in those games (FFX had that yevon complication) and also be strongly prejudiced to classical weapons. In fact, FFXIII which appears on your list has plenty of HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE ***in it (yeah, I said it.) What you just did was try to trap me with something that has zero bearing on anything and something I actually never said I thought.
Rule #2 don't overestimate your counterfeit arguments.