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 Bahamut.Ashua
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By Bahamut.Ashua 2011-08-14 05:06:35
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Hello everyone,
I'm a long time FFXI player who hasn't played in almost a year. So anyway as you all know, FFXIV was a complete commercial failure and continues to disappoint to this day with no day redemption in sight. I also have heard that the game is indefinitely "free to play" now. My questions are:

1. Is the game 'really' as bad as they say it is and why?
2. Is the payment status still "indefinitely free."
3. Does the indefinite free trial extend to maximum character/mule creation?

Thanks.
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By Artemys 2011-08-14 07:23:20
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1. No, to me it was never as bad as they said, I will say though that it is on a much better path and only getting better.
2. Yes
3. Yes
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By Phoenix.Vael 2011-08-14 08:16:36
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I am a huge critic of the game but I suppose I can admit that it isn't really but only if you look at it from the perspective before MMOs were popular. A lot of it feels like the typical Korean WoW clone MMO, with added slowness to make it feel like XI.

If you were a fan of XI's story and atmosphere, or are prone to nostalgia glasses when you think about the world XI created in its infancy (and in a lot of cases, your infancy - I was 12 when I started XI and the world seemed massive, not one where you can point and click to travel wherever or look up anything), I don't think that feeling can be recreated but that's how I feel about any MMO. To me they are much more closer to a Diablo II online experience (infinite Baal runs) than what they used to be: immersive worlds, time-sinks included.

I think why a typical XI fan might've disliked XIV is because we were hoping SE, as a trusted developer, could recreate the feeling of that immersive world unlike what most MMOs have become (the Diablo II experience described above). This, combined with what would make non-XI fans / typical 'MMO' fans dislike it, which was its terrible amount of bugginess, lag, and lack of streamlined gameplay didn't even give it worth as one of the better WoW-clone / Diablo II experience MMOs.

I am playing the game now, I just decided to take a look at it again a week ago since my old XI friend did too. We both picked up the CE and both quit before the free months was up (before they announced indefinite free play). I think what it does the most for me is making me sad and nostalgic for when FFXI was truly a world of experience. I don't see that recreated at all in the game, and its interpretation of fantasy amounts to dialogue that I feel I'd rather ignore despite its efforts - and let me tell you I am almost strictly a storyline gamer. In any game that hasn't had an intriguing story, it takes me quite an effort to even look at the gameplay.

And speaking of gameplay... at best it is something to enjoy because it is free and you might have friends to jump on with.

Disclaimer: I don't know anything about dungeons or endgame but I imagine I'd have quite a bit of fun since lack of any real content was the biggest downside of the game even when it was a buggy laggy mess. I didn't feel motivated to pursue any of the things I was, and that was up to around level 25 on one DoW and one DoH class. Now I suppose it'll be fun, so I'll keep turning the game on whenever I have a free moment. But those free moments go towards reading random things on the Internet and making gigantic posts in threads like these before they go to that game, that's how much it doesn't have priority.
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By EstharFalcus 2011-08-14 08:24:53
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IMO the game on launch and during beta was terrible, and was barely enjoyable to me, but in its current state it is a lot better than what I hear people saying what it's like.

Main problems i had was UI lag which was fixed last year, and the SP (skill points to rank up your classes) gain system which I could never stand the skill-up system from FFXI so i didn't like it.
The game's been enjoyable for me since the November patch and for about 6 months after that I played this game almost exclusively

It's quite cheap nowadays in anyway, so I'd say get it.
The game will be changing drastically over the next couple of months and we've just seen the start of the major changes with 1.18 last month, so I'd say it has redemption in sight.
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By lvicious 2011-08-14 08:27:50
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I'm assuming you haven't even played the game or since beta.. so how in the world can you say "it continues to disappoint to this day with no redemption in sight" >.> Please don't make blanketed statements about something you have no idea about.

When you read negative posts the vast majority of those people have not played in a long time or not at all. This thread is pointless anyway as there are plenty of discussion threads on the current and future status of the game here and on other forums including:

The Lodestone where not only can you read on the official forums but you could of also read the latest update notes and Producer notes and answered your own questions.

Bottom line: you'll never know what a game is truly like until you actually play it. Learn to make up your own mind and do some quality research.

If it's too much of a risk and you already have your mind made up about it.. like it seems you do somehow.. then don't buy it and go buy and play something you enjoy.

I personally stopped playing back in the Fall and hated it as much as everyone else at first..I play regularly now.

.. and stop reading all the negative posts based on experience from 2010 or even early 2011. Completely different game now.
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By Phoenix.Vael 2011-08-14 08:33:27
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Allelujah Haptism said:
I'm assuming you haven't even played the game or since beta.. so how in the world can you say "it continues to disappoint to this day with no redemption in sight" >.> Please don't make blanketed statements about something you have no idea about. When you read negative posts the vast majority of those people have not played in a long time or not at all. This thread is pointless anyway as there are plenty of discussion threads on the current and future status of the game here and on other forums including: The Lodestone where not only can you read on the official forums but you could of also read the latest update notes and Producer notes and answered your own questions. Bottom line: you'll never know what a game is truly like until you actually play it. If it's too much of a risk and you already have your mind made up about it.. like it seems you do somehow.. then don't buy it and go buy and play something you enjoy. I personally stopped playing back in the Fall and hated it as much as everyone else at first..I play regularly now. .. and stop reading all the negative posts based on experience from 2010 or even early 2011. Completely different game now.

Breakdown by paragraph.

Attack a potential player for asking, not insinuating that the game was a certain way.

Discrediting people that disagree with you because they (you assume) they don't know what they're talking about. Plus don't state any opinion and just tell them to go read.

More go read.

This here is a fanboy.
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By Fairy.Charitey 2011-08-14 09:02:43
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Its best if you DONT ask those kinds of questions and make up your own mind.

The game is in a state that is very subjective right now.

Play it for yourself.
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By Taigatan 2011-08-14 14:09:05
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Fairy.Charitey said:
Its best if you DONT ask those kinds of questions and make up your own mind.

The game is in a state that is very subjective right now.

Play it for yourself.

^^^^ So much this....

Directly quoting myself from a post I put up literally a few seconds ago.... the end part is the most important, but anyone looking to see a more exact reason as to why I left 11 can read the first part in the spoiler tag, just didn't want to clog up the post with it.

"Maybe that will help some players who are thinking about going back to 14... playing that game or not is a completely individual experience, from my view there is 11 and 14, I don't care about all the other MMO's and I never would have played anything in the MMO category in the first place had it not been for 11 and later 14.

tl;dr... it's free, if you have the disc it takes a few min to install, the updates are really fast, try it out, make up your own mind."
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By Bahamut.Ashua 2011-08-14 15:36:00
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Vestara Khai, thanks for the concise reply.

Phoenix.Vale, Perhaps your opinion is esteemed most of all because you sound very similar to that type of player that I am. I cherish good storytelling above all else in my games and some of your knitpicks resonate with me. I think Square-Enix is finally starting to realize that it can no longer ride on the Square/Squaresoft brand anymore. Looking back, the merger is where the company started to go downhill. Oh, and as for your reply to Allelujah Haptism, *thumbs up.*

Esthar Falcus, I hated skilling up too. I was sadistic about it. It wouldn't have been so bad if every skill was equally easy and more like dagger or katana than great sword or guard. I had heard that they are eventually renaming the classes to more classic names. I'd say that's a redemptive start.


Allelujah Haptism. I did not play the game in beta because I was not blessed by SE's endorsement after I applied. I guess some of us are more serendipitous than others. However, I have played this game a little on my friends account a few months ago. Being that I prefer console gaming to PC and considering that it's pretty hard to get into an MMO when the character you are playing on is not your own,I cannot say I played a terribly large sum of time.

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so how in the world can you say "it continues to disappoint to this day with no redemption in sight" >.> Please don't make blanketed statements about something you have no idea about.
I can say that it continues to disappoint to this day very easily. Why? Because it is an incontestable fact. Your opinion while equally valid in this world of relativism is not sovereign. There are many people--even those who "like" this game who still express disappointment with it. Like a wayward child, it is possible to still be disappointed and also "love" something at the same time. God knows I had my disappointments with FFXI even though I played for the better part of 2005-2010. Likewise, one mustn't need to experience something firsthand, but only to observe those who have to make statements such as I have made, hence journalism. The real question is, from a logical perspective, how can you say that this game has not disappointed? Here is a hint: The developer made the game free for a reason. And the reason that I ask questions is precisely so that I may ascertain an idea of "something (I) know nothing about."


I would say that there is no inherent "negativity" in the posts which criticize this game. Only honest realism. Is a doctor negative when he tells you you have terminal cancer? Is a teacher negative when you get an F? Are the pundits on TV being negative when they warn of a double dip recession? No, like the "negative" posters, their will is for a thing to prosper, to succeed. The report nonetheless cannot be swayed by prejudices contrary to the facts.

It's funny you mention that about there being plenty of other threads similar to this. It crossed my mind. Then I realized that it wasn't worth risking old information. (I think SE has an "important announcement" on the client that is very old so why should I trust anything else they say?) My friend gave me his buddy pass. I had every intention of playing before I even made this post. I just wanted to get the perspective of people on the inside to "encourage" me through the birth pangs of the game and also to know if I could go crazy on character creation which I had already done beforehand---only my "main" lacks a surname which is what keeps me from playing this moment. But yeah, you seem to have me figured out well enough already.

Charitey: will do.
Mint Pudding: ditto.

I wont repeat myself, but I only asked about the specific problems with this game to prepare me for them in advance so I could push through them. I consider this time playing to be an "investment" for when the game receives its promised fixes and the PS3 release occurs.

Thanks everyone
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By Artemys 2011-08-14 16:32:00
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Ps3 release is indefinitely held just how it's indefinitely free to play at the moment xD, if/when they finally release it on Ps3 I would assume it would be around the time they would start subscriptions. I think I would play it on Ps3 for the trophies haha.
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By Taigatan 2011-08-14 17:00:41
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Vestara Khai said:
Ps3 release is indefinitely held just how it's indefinitely free to play at the moment xD, if/when they finally release it on Ps3 I would assume it would be around the time they would start subscriptions. I think I would play it on Ps3 for the trophies haha.

Would kind of wonder if they are waiting on PS3 for when they fix the game and get an expansion and just release it all in one bundle, possibly even a big re-release campaign for the PC to attract new players.

Sticking with just PC is a pretty safe bet for them at the moment as it's an easy platform to develop for, and it might show they are serious about getting it right before they try and make anymore money off the game.

Personally I like playing it on the PC but a PS3 version may be attractive, although I could see it 5 years from now, the "PS3 limitations" comments.
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-14 17:07:16
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FF14 is horrible, don't play until ps3 release at the earliest.
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By Jadi 2011-08-14 17:44:06
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Sylph.Kiaru said:
FF14 is horrible, don't play until ps3 release at the earliest.

Checked your Lodestone profile, seems you last played since May.. you should check out the new patch and the upcoming details.

To answer Ashua, I'm digging this game right now. What they ended up doing to FFXI makes me sick and FFXIV is getting pretty fun. You may want to wait for the next patch but it is improving.

The coolest thing I've read is the addition of Job quests past level 50 with traditional Final Fantasy names.. so what will probably happen is Conjurer will be able to become a WHM or BLM and gain some abilities but loose access to the opposite school of spells. Likewire GLD may become PLD. PUG will become MNK or THF etc.
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By dt415 2011-08-14 17:47:44
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its a great game. i stuck to it so i dont get left behind with the new stuff. plus i enjoy it with the friends i play with. i can understand if i was playign by myself then it would suck lol
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By 2012117 2011-08-14 17:52:48
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This game is definetly worth the $20 go to Cornelia other places are empty imo
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By Bahamut.Ashua 2011-08-14 18:06:18
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Jadi Kama said:
Sylph.Kiaru said:
FF14 is horrible, don't play until ps3 release at the earliest.

Checked your Lodestone profile, seems you last played since May.. you should check out the new patch and the upcoming details.

To answer Ashua, I'm digging this game right now. What they ended up doing to FFXI makes me sick and FFXIV is getting pretty fun. You may want to wait for the next patch but it is improving.

The coolest thing I've read is the addition of Job quests past level 50 with traditional Final Fantasy names.. so what will probably happen is Conjurer will be able to become a WHM or BLM and gain some abilities but loose access to the opposite school of spells. Likewire GLD may become PLD. PUG will become MNK or THF etc.

yeah, I cannot go back to FFXI because of what they did to it. :( I makes me sick too. It's no longer the game I knew.

Ned, friend is making me play on Wutai :/

Ughn. I can think of billions of decent surnames and not one that goes with my main's given name...
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By 2012117 2011-08-14 22:32:16
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hey man it actually doesn't matter where you go.. was just playing and everyone in this game is so damn anti-social.
I swear everywhere I go I see people I try starting up a convo and they just dont answer back!
I guess people surf the web or something while playing/crafting
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By 2012117 2011-08-14 22:32:49
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Sylph.Kiaru said:
FF14 is horrible, don't play until ps3 release at the earliest.
Hey don't be a ***.
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By dt415 2011-08-14 22:44:58
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Ned Stark said:

I guess people surf the web or something while playing/crafting

thats what i do when i craft. plus my LS has a teamspeak so i rarely pay attention to the chat log.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mintpudding 2011-08-14 23:03:34
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Jadi Kama said:
Sylph.Kiaru said:
FF14 is horrible, don't play until ps3 release at the earliest.

new patch and the upcoming details.


Thank you for that link... reading that makes me want to play more and more lol. I'm interested to see what the abolition on physical levels is all about... I guess it will just go based off your discipline's level for HP/MP etc.

Lotsa cool stuff on the way... and the more time I put in to 14, played for a few hours today, the less I'm liking the current 11... recently I stated somewhere that abyssea was fun... starting to do a 180 on that statement.

Edit: I also find that most of the "14 sucks" statements are coming from people that played at launch and quit, which is why I tried it for myself a second time before updating my opinion of it.
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By Jadi 2011-08-15 03:07:57
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They were let down and angry at it.. and have their mind all made up. It's understandable.

It's been in a kinda "beta-release" mode for a year and it's coming along.. when PS3 does come out, it's going be one hell of a game I'll bet.
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By SniperRifle 2011-08-15 03:36:56
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I always said 'Wait for PS3 release'... People can't wrap their heads around the only point in playing now is to get ahead of future players, then they QQ about the game still feeling incomplete.

When PS3 release comes new adventurers will be able still ride Chocobos, Airships, run both the R25 and R50 dungeons (at corresponding levels), do quests, fight Ifrit, and collect materia... And they can look forward to all of it right out the gate.

Where as easily the majority of the community expected a full game not only at launch, but some people are still confused as to why "1.18 didn't save the game what is this i dont even...?" And 1.19 won't either. They'll be very very confused with themselves battling whether to drop FF14, or go, or just vent all day everyday on the Lodestone forums so they can sleep easy.

If you're someone who fits into that last paragraph, just wait til PS3 release. If not, the game has improved vastly since launch, but isn't bursting w/ a variety of things to do. And I could see how it's definately more playable now for new players because by the time you clear Dzemael Darkhold or have 1 or 2 classes to R50, Ifrit will have already been released and 1.20 will be well on it's way (assuming you play like 10 hours a day heh). Perhaps even out. So you shouldn't have an issue w/ finding ways to prioritize your time in game. Where as players from launch were troubleshooting ways to fight boredom very early on.
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By dt415 2011-08-15 04:01:00
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i just craft and made alot of gil. that was my boredom fight. i still play but only on my off days.
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 04:04:23
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The reason I dislike FF14 so much is because it's the only video game I've played(besides aion, horrible game too) that isn't fun unless I'm either:
1) Talking to someone
2) Talking to my LS/chatting
3) Watching a movie
4) Watching anime
5) Watching TV

So the game isn't actually fun, considering I have to multitask something else fun in order to have fun. If I'm not doing any of the above, I'm extremely bored, like completley bored out of my mind and go psycho.
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By Jadi 2011-08-15 04:36:42
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1.18 got me back into the game, I stopped in Dec. Been enjoying it since the patch tho.. and for a free game? hell his isn't bad at all for free, specially in this economy. So I think it's fun but you need to have friends that play, or find a good LS that's true.

Nothing wrong with waiting for PS3 release tho.. we'll be here to help you guys get a good start.
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By Jadi 2011-08-15 07:24:45
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Quetzalcoatl.Mintpudding said:
Jadi Kama said:
Sylph.Kiaru said:
FF14 is horrible, don't play until ps3 release at the earliest.

new patch and the upcoming details.


Thank you for that link... reading that makes me want to play more and more lol. I'm interested to see what the abolition on physical levels is all about... I guess it will just go based off your discipline's level for HP/MP etc.

Lotsa cool stuff on the way... and the more time I put in to 14, played for a few hours today, the less I'm liking the current 11... recently I stated somewhere that abyssea was fun... starting to do a 180 on that statement..


Actually check this out.. much better info on 1.19 http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/20998?p=292495#post292495

Quote from Yoshi-P: "You may’ve noticed that some all-new things are included. In an earlier letter, I believe I used the word “heavyweight” to describe patch 1.18. Well, patch 1.19 will be a veritable monster. To give you a rough idea of its size, we’re expecting the patch notes to be 3–5 times longer than 1.18’s. This is in no small part due to the slew of long-awaited items that’ll finally make their way into the game."
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-08-15 08:02:49
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Jadi Kama said:
1.18 got me back into the game, I stopped in Dec. Been enjoying it since the patch tho.. and for a free game? hell his isn't bad at all for free, specially in this economy. So I think it's fun but you need to have friends that play, or find a good LS that's true.

Nothing wrong with waiting for PS3 release tho.. we'll be here to help you guys get a good start.

I paid 80 dollars for it, not really that free :/.

People get mad when anyone says that the game isn't good. It's unfortunate that the only people who are "qualified" to comment are the ones who continuously play with each update. Because in order to closely follow it you need to like it for the most part. If you haven't been closely following it your opinion often is disregarded. Which makes in an interesting situation.

MMO's are fundamentally different than your regular 20-30 hour game.
As an MMO that you will for certain put time into after they start charging again, sure, maybe it's worth free to play now. But if I reviewed it as a standalone game that I spent 50-60 dollars on, I wouldn't want to play it. I'd suggest that if you're really looking for an mmo, and you don't mind $20 beta and you're enticed by the improvements that people are talking about, then go for it.

If you're looking for a fun experience as a standalone game right now, or looking for an mmo that for sure will be fun in the future, it may be better to wait and see when SE is satisfied that they have a finished product. Then you'll know for sure whether you want to invest large portions of your time in it, and be able to enjoy the game several years from now.

I hope people can say that that's a fair assessment.
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By Jadi 2011-08-15 09:14:08
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
Jadi Kama said:
1.18 got me back into the game, I stopped in Dec. Been enjoying it since the patch tho.. and for a free game? hell his isn't bad at all for free, specially in this economy. So I think it's fun but you need to have friends that play, or find a good LS that's true.

Nothing wrong with waiting for PS3 release tho.. we'll be here to help you guys get a good start.

I paid 80 dollars for it, not really that free :/.

You got ripped off. ;) j/k. I'm assuming you got the collectors edition ..but really that's not that bad if you compare it to a year's worth of FFXI for $180 (not including addons at $10 a pop)
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-08-15 09:41:21
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If you take the long term reasons to play 14, you shouldn't need to consider that the game is free to play now. There may be different reasons to play 14 at this point than there are to play a subscription mmo. but that will change as the game matures.

Price should only be a factor in your deciding to play, not a primary reason, for two reasons. 1) the game is planned to eventually switch to a subscription model, so if you want to make a long term investment in the game you will eventually be paying for it. I'd suggest that most people getting into an mmo do it for the long run and not this rather strange situation where its free for an undisclosed amount of time. 2)there are plenty of free to play mmos/mmo type games that wont cost you a dime.

If those aren't an issue for you then go for it.

Again, just some things to consider
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-15 10:12:50
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Sylph.Kiaru said:
The reason I dislike FF14 so much is because it's the only video game I've played(besides aion, horrible game too) that isn't fun unless I'm either:
1) Talking to someone
2) Talking to my LS/chatting
3) Watching a movie
4) Watching anime
5) Watching TV

So the game isn't actually fun, considering I have to multitask something else fun in order to have fun. If I'm not doing any of the above, I'm extremely bored, like completley bored out of my mind and go psycho.

Every time I see you post I feel ashamed I'm from the same country as you.
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