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 Cerberus.Lasareth
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By Cerberus.Lasareth 2011-07-11 19:25:37
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Asura.Krebons said:
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why would they ban people for something that only existed in public knowledge for 2 hours, lol. maybe in some extreme cases, exploitation can be proven, but otherwise who's to say if something was out of intent, curiosity, or just random chance? i don't think se would invest the manpower into something so miniscule.


No one knows what will happen, stop saying they will or wont ban people.. They will do what they want to do, Jease.

you should quote the entire thread if that's your position. why interject into a conversation you know is obviously speculation just to say stop speculating.. lol
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2011-07-11 19:25:47
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Fenrir.Ilax said:
I know, like using brew and click on chest, trial book, or conflux. But that one SE know and even GM on official forum said SE wont ban for it =X It is an exploit, but not harmful one i guess, you still limited by 3 min | Need all KI (multi character) and still req you pay 200k cruor, i guess is why SE still tolerate it. Cure abuse and kill NM cost you nothing, i mean common a LV1 could kill any undead XD, a lv30 could solo Titlacauan without any atma/cruor or brew. But yes, of course like Kimble said, we never know with SE :P
Either you buy the scroll of cure or you start the game off as whm which means you paid an extra dollar or the whole 13 bucks(if its your first char). Either way, you bought the scroll and you can use it however you want. Just b/c they made cure into a nuke does not mean i can't use it whenever i feel like it.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-07-11 19:26:17
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What I mean by "Putting items in the game not meant to be there" is:

Killing X mob = 1 Y drop can be the expected out come

While Killing X mob = 3 times Y drop can not be the expected outcome.
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By Lakshmi.Razius 2011-07-11 19:27:16
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Woah lots of posts since I last checked. Scanned most of them but they seriously cant ban or roll back imo.. though I wouldnt put it past them.

The game was up barely a hour or so before the ninja maint, I would have thought that 90% of the player base wasn't even aware of the cure thing, hell I know I wasnt, hence making the thread in the first place.

Okay I'm sure that many people did exploit it in it's short time but I'm damn sure that the majority didn't. And ok they do decide to roll back the game a few hours, for myself I'll go out and get Tukker's Bullwhip belt again (for the 3rd time, long story :p) and pick up the atma I had always missed out on. Its no big whoop. But thats my point, its no big whoop.

It wasnt like it was a week or two before this got sorted. Did they roll back after the Yonin thing? No. they just allowed people to spam the same single tool over n over till they were capped ninjutsu. I wonder how many people spammed the K Club BCNM during that time. Did they ban them? No. Did they warn them? No. Did they roll back? No. Was todays thing a long lasting error that people maliciously used repeatedly like the salvage thing? No.

My point is it was SE's error, they found out and fixed it fast. Little to no harm done, and so what some people got a few extra drops/atmas/whatevers, SE can put it down to experience, its not like it caused any real problems, not in its short time.

If SE do roll back then they will be making enemies of 80%+ of the player base.
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By Asura.Krebons 2011-07-11 19:27:51
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Cerberus.Lasareth said:
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why would they ban people for something that only existed in public knowledge for 2 hours, lol. maybe in some extreme cases, exploitation can be proven, but otherwise who's to say if something was out of intent, curiosity, or just random chance? i don't think se would invest the manpower into something so miniscule.


No one knows what will happen, stop saying they will or wont ban people.. They will do what they want to do, Jease.

you should quote the entire thread if that's your position. why interject into a conversation you know is obviously speculation just to say stop speculating.. lol

Because I've kept my mouth shut the entire time.

Also for those that don't know, Ochain shield bash was also messed up, so who knows what else is wrong.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-07-11 19:27:52
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Fenrir.Schutz said:
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Well, imo, the big issue with salvage dup, sandworm etc, is it was creating items and putting them into the game that shouldn't be there. While one shooting an undead obviously isn't correct, its not doing anything to create items.

But it is landing those drops.

Right, but those items would have dropped regardless of how it was killed.

Well not really...if you can pop Xibalba or Kharon every minute from pop items that come from surrounding undead mobs, then one-shot the NM's (after one-shotting all the mobs you want for pop items) it comes down to how quickly you can trade the pop item to the ??? LOL.

Not that those two have anything special (aside from job-AF seals) to give, but it is abusive compared to fighting them regularly. And those items they give out weren't intended to drop quite that fast.

You could brew for the same result if you really wanted to, lol.
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By Fenrir.Schutz 2011-07-11 19:28:37
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Sylph.Kimble said:
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Well, imo, the big issue with salvage dup, sandworm etc, is it was creating items and putting them into the game that shouldn't be there. While one shooting an undead obviously isn't correct, its not doing anything to create items.

But it is landing those drops.

Right, but those items would have dropped regardless of how it was killed.

Well not really...if you can pop Xibalba or Kharon every minute from pop items that come from surrounding undead mobs, then one-shot the NM's (after one-shotting all the mobs you want for pop items) it comes down to how quickly you can trade the pop item to the ??? LOL.

Not that those two have anything special (aside from job-AF seals) to give, but it is abusive compared to fighting them regularly. And those items they give out weren't intended to drop quite that fast.

You could brew for the same result if you really wanted to, lol.

LOL I won't get into that...you know what I meant. :p Moot point now anyhow I would say. :p
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By Leviathan.Blevien 2011-07-11 19:29:17
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the salvage bans happened because those players knew about the glitch and decided to keep it a secret so they could farm more gear without SE knowing about it. the cure glitch was known by pretty much everybody because people were shouting in jeuno about it. i think if people had tried to keep it a secret and exploit it like the salvage dupes, then they'd be banning. this is just lulz at best
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-07-11 19:29:25
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Yeah I know what you mean, just saying what it could be viewed as different and not treated the same as the salvage bans were handled.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2011-07-11 19:29:35
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Sylph.Kimble said:
What I mean by "Putting items in the game not meant to be there" is: Killing X mob = 1 Y drop can be the expected out come While Killing X mob = 3 times Y drop can not be the expected outcome.

I see your point, there. Basically the items gained in this glitch were obtained through normal gameplay with a glitched spell, The Salvage items were gained by players spawning chests that were never meant to be there.

Captain Obvious... AWAY!!
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By Leviathan.Gotterdammerung 2011-07-11 19:30:12
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how much longer ; ;?
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By Shiva.Johneblaze 2011-07-11 19:30:52
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Fenrir.Mtmoogle said:
Hey, ppl paid good gil to use their spells!!! If they get banned for using said spell, I say we all demand a refund on all our cure spells. We can assume we paid 50M for our cure spells.
i lol'd more at the thought this was an atempt to be funny...although i bet Derf could spruce it up a bit.
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said:
If cure gave the effect of invincible, do you not fight anything till they fix it? If cure gave the effect of flee, must you stand still in order not to get anywhere faster than SE intends!?
strike 2
please make me laugh :P
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-07-11 19:31:50
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Phoenix.Kojo said:
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What I mean by "Putting items in the game not meant to be there" is: Killing X mob = 1 Y drop can be the expected out come While Killing X mob = 3 times Y drop can not be the expected outcome.

I see your point, there. Basically the items gained in this glitch were obtained through normal gameplay with a glitched spell, The Salvage items were gained by players spawning chests that were never meant to be there.

Captain Obvious... AWAY!!

Not sure if im being whoosed by thats not how the salvage items were duped at all, lol.
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By Dors 2011-07-11 19:32:06
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I wonder if this works in other games...


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By Cerberus.Lasareth 2011-07-11 19:32:38
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this entire thing wouldn't be a problem if we just had phoenix downs.
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-07-11 19:33:26
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Cerberus.Lasareth said:
this entire thing wouldn't be a problem if we just had phoenix downs.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-07-11 19:35:05
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Leviathan.Blevien said:
the salvage bans happened because those players knew about the glitch and decided to keep it a secret so they could farm more gear without SE knowing about it. the cure glitch was known by pretty much everybody because people were shouting in jeuno about it. i think if people had tried to keep it a secret and exploit it like the salvage dupes, then they'd be banning. this is just lulz at best

It was also embarrassing for SE.

The Salvage dupe lasted as long as it did because SE was asleep at the wheel, not paying attention to the activities of their players. How could anyone hide something from SE when they have all the tools at their disposal?

Remember, the glitch went under the radar for nearly a year.

That's why the bans were swift and merciless. SE was being used and no one likes being taken for a ride. It was personal.
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By Leviathan.Blevien 2011-07-11 19:36:30
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said:
Leviathan.Blevien said:
the salvage bans happened because those players knew about the glitch and decided to keep it a secret so they could farm more gear without SE knowing about it. the cure glitch was known by pretty much everybody because people were shouting in jeuno about it. i think if people had tried to keep it a secret and exploit it like the salvage dupes, then they'd be banning. this is just lulz at best

It was also embarrassing for SE.

The Salvage dupe lasted as long as it did because SE was asleep at the wheel, not paying attention to the activities of their players. How could anyone hide something from SE when they have all the tools at their disposal?

Remember, the glitch went under the radar for nearly a year.

That's why the bans were swift and merciless. SE was being used and no one likes being taken for a ride. It was personal.

yeah i know all that, was just saying i seriously doubt they'll ban anybody this time around
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By Leviathan.Frotaut 2011-07-11 19:38:38
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Can't think that SE would rollback or ban because a few people got like 10 lvl that they didn't have to smn burn or a couple pair of Serpentes Cuffs Watch out we broke the game.
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2011-07-11 19:39:25
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Shiva.Johneblaze said:
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said:
Hey, ppl paid good gil to use their spells!!! If they get banned for using said spell, I say we all demand a refund on all our cure spells. We can assume we paid 50M for our cure spells.
i lol'd more at the thought this was an atempt to be funny...although i bet Derf could spruce it up a bit.
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said:
If cure gave the effect of invincible, do you not fight anything till they fix it? If cure gave the effect of flee, must you stand still in order not to get anywhere faster than SE intends!?
strike 2 please make me laugh :P
They were more of a "it's stupid to ban ppl over a spell we bought" sorta comments.
Also, according to your post... i made you laugh once!
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By Fenrir.Demomo 2011-07-11 19:40:15
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I hate to use the word but salvage/sw was a conspiracy to keep a flaw in zone mechanics a secret from SE to directly profit. Salvage gear faster than normal wasn't unbelievably game breaking, but coming from a LS that did sw/ixion every day with no competition for nearly 3 years, if we tripled the gil that went into relics from that, we would be talking about over 100 relics that should not have existed thanks to this glitch. Not to mention the true problem, people started rmt'ing the gil off to websites. SE looked like amateurs due to this, it's no surprise they banned the way they did. This was a known glitch, being shouted in jeuno, abused by a very large % of the playerbase in a very short time. If they ban for it, its understandable, but the damage to in game economy/SE's image isn't really as horrible when its just oops spaghetti coded something.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2011-07-11 19:40:26
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Could this maint. be the reason I can't create an FFXI Forums account?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Pyroelf 2011-07-11 19:42:38
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By wolfslayer 2011-07-11 19:43:21
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when does the update finish?


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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-07-11 19:45:18
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Leviathan.Blevien said:
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said:
Leviathan.Blevien said:
the salvage bans happened because those players knew about the glitch and decided to keep it a secret so they could farm more gear without SE knowing about it. the cure glitch was known by pretty much everybody because people were shouting in jeuno about it. i think if people had tried to keep it a secret and exploit it like the salvage dupes, then they'd be banning. this is just lulz at best

It was also embarrassing for SE.

The Salvage dupe lasted as long as it did because SE was asleep at the wheel, not paying attention to the activities of their players. How could anyone hide something from SE when they have all the tools at their disposal?

Remember, the glitch went under the radar for nearly a year.

That's why the bans were swift and merciless. SE was being used and no one likes being taken for a ride. It was personal.

yeah i know all that, was just saying i seriously doubt they'll ban anybody this time around

Doubt it as well. SE needs people to keep paying for this game.
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By Sylph.Liltrouble 2011-07-11 19:48:02
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said:


Doubt it as well. SE needs people to keep paying for this game.
Umm... People thought that before too.
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By Garuda.Skyver 2011-07-11 19:48:58
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Quetzalcoatl.Pyroelf said:

Yawn.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-07-11 19:51:10
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fail
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By Fenrir.Ilax 2011-07-11 19:52:13
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said:
Leviathan.Blevien said:
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said:
Leviathan.Blevien said:
the salvage bans happened because those players knew about the glitch and decided to keep it a secret so they could farm more gear without SE knowing about it. the cure glitch was known by pretty much everybody because people were shouting in jeuno about it. i think if people had tried to keep it a secret and exploit it like the salvage dupes, then they'd be banning. this is just lulz at best

It was also embarrassing for SE.

The Salvage dupe lasted as long as it did because SE was asleep at the wheel, not paying attention to the activities of their players. How could anyone hide something from SE when they have all the tools at their disposal?

Remember, the glitch went under the radar for nearly a year.

That's why the bans were swift and merciless. SE was being used and no one likes being taken for a ride. It was personal.

yeah i know all that, was just saying i seriously doubt they'll ban anybody this time around

Doubt it as well. SE needs people to keep paying for this game.

They not loosing money if they temp ban... 3day ban as warning is not hurting them at all, and give fair warning to they player base how to stop exploit a glitch and prevent people to be interest to exploit glitch like it happen to salvage.

Depend the card SE wan to play.
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By Behar 2011-07-11 19:53:05
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Bored.


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