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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-06-29 13:08:39
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
http://www.happyplace.com/3695/unintentionally-sexual-church-signs

Some funny church signs. Whether or not you're religious I think most could enjoy them.

Some of those cant be serious. lol
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By Lakshmi.Feifongwong 2011-06-29 13:13:15
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I'm disappointed that this thread isn't at least 10 pages yet!
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2011-06-29 13:25:05
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We disproved god on page 4, so the rest of the thread is now about funny pictures and comedians.
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By zahrah 2011-06-29 13:30:38
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Lakshmi.Feifongwong said:
I'm disappointed that this thread isn't at least 10 pages yet!

Honestly, I'm tired of these, so I'm just reading them now. I'm annoyed by both evangelicals and militant atheists. Both are pretty intolerable.
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2011-06-29 13:37:50
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Damn militant atheists forcing their science down the theist minority's throats.

Why just last week I had 2 militant atheists come to my door and try and convince me of the big bang and evolution.. Oh wait nevermind that was 2 Mormons convincing me that my spirit would go to it's own planet if I gave them money.

The week before I saw an article on how those militant atheists were trying to rewrite history to be more liberal.. Oh wait, nvm that was conservatives in Texas trying to rewrite history to be more Christian.

Well, the week before that there was an article on the billions of dollars spent by atheists to prevent gay couples from sharing the same rights as straight couples. Damnit, again my memory was wrong, that was again Theists.

I guess all those militant atheists have done is debate religion in (pause for effect): Politics and Religion forums.

***!!! When will they stop spreading their militant atheist dogma!!
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-06-29 13:39:00
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zahrah said:
Lakshmi.Feifongwong said:
I'm disappointed that this thread isn't at least 10 pages yet!

Honestly, I'm tired of these, so I'm just reading them now. I'm annoyed by both evangelicals and militant atheists. Both are pretty intolerable.

Honest question: Outside the internet, how many militant atheists have you run into?

I have to beat back the Jehovah's Witnesses/Missionaries weekly yet on the atheist/agnostic front, I hardly hear anyone giving me the "good news" IRL.

Maybe in my entire life, ive seen two stands setup to promote an atheistic lifestyle.

I'd like to know if maybe I am a special case or something.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-29 13:58:46
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"Aggressive atheism is really defensive atheism" -Pat Condell
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By zahrah 2011-06-29 14:04:39
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said:
zahrah said:
Lakshmi.Feifongwong said:
I'm disappointed that this thread isn't at least 10 pages yet!

Honestly, I'm tired of these, so I'm just reading them now. I'm annoyed by both evangelicals and militant atheists. Both are pretty intolerable.

Honest question: Outside the internet, how many militant atheists have you run into?

I have to beat back the Jehovah's Witnesses/Missionaries weekly yet on the atheist/agnostic front, I hardly hear anyone giving me the "good news" IRL.

Maybe in my entire life, ive seen two stands setup to promote an atheistic lifestyle.

I'd like to know if maybe I am a special case or something.

Honestly, not many. Maybe two. I have met more crazy evangelicals though.

Can I be sick of arguing on the internet when I know that the outcome will always be the same though? Am I allowed to go on about my business or not? Or do I need to continue discussing the same endless, cylical BS with all of you?

I've already been insulted on here for saying that I would like to have my children baptized, so after that I have not been as invested in these threads.

EDIT: At this point I would rather just read.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-06-29 14:10:33
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zahrah said:
Am I allowed to go on about my business or not? Or do I need to continue discussing the same endless, cylical BS with all of you? I've already been insulted on here for saying that I would like to have my children baptized, so after that I have not been as invested in these threads. EDIT: At this point I would rather just read.

Hey baby, if you want to meet up for drinks or coffee we can discuss NEW BS endlessly <3

*WINK WINK*
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By zahrah 2011-06-29 14:14:20
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Ragnarok.Ashman said:
zahrah said:
Am I allowed to go on about my business or not? Or do I need to continue discussing the same endless, cylical BS with all of you? I've already been insulted on here for saying that I would like to have my children baptized, so after that I have not been as invested in these threads. EDIT: At this point I would rather just read.

Hey baby, if you want to meet up for drinks or coffee we can discuss NEW BS endlessly <3

*WINK WINK*

I think you and I would be on much better terms than some on here.

Some people don't realize that their digging themselves into a hole when they openly gut the agnostics on this site too.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-06-29 14:18:06
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zahrah said:
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zahrah said:
Am I allowed to go on about my business or not? Or do I need to continue discussing the same endless, cylical BS with all of you? I've already been insulted on here for saying that I would like to have my children baptized, so after that I have not been as invested in these threads. EDIT: At this point I would rather just read.
Hey baby, if you want to meet up for drinks or coffee we can discuss NEW BS endlessly <3 *WINK WINK*
I think you and I would be on much better terms than some on here. Some people don't realize that their digging themselves into a hole when they openly gut the agnostics on this site too.

Oh... yeah uhhh religion. Yeah we can talk about that.
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By zahrah 2011-06-29 14:18:19
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Phoenix.Neosutra said:
The week before I saw an article on how those militant atheists were trying to rewrite history to be more liberal.. Oh wait, nvm that was conservatives in Texas trying to rewrite history to be more Christian.

I'm sorry. Were you educated in this state? Sensationalism does not account for real life. Keep it up though. You're really winning us over on the internet.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-29 14:20:23
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Odin.Liela said:
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said:
zahrah said:
Lakshmi.Feifongwong said:
I'm disappointed that this thread isn't at least 10 pages yet!

Honestly, I'm tired of these, so I'm just reading them now. I'm annoyed by both evangelicals and militant atheists. Both are pretty intolerable.

Honest question: Outside the internet, how many militant atheists have you run into?

I have to beat back the Jehovah's Witnesses/Missionaries weekly yet on the atheist/agnostic front, I hardly hear anyone giving me the "good news" IRL.

Maybe in my entire life, ive seen two stands setup to promote an atheistic lifestyle.

I'd like to know if maybe I am a special case or something.


No, I think you are mostly right. Militant atheism seems to mostly exist on the internet. (Which doesn't make it any less annoying for people who enjoy being on the internet.)

I live in a place populated largely by Mormons, and they do come knocking on my door about once a week, whether or not I tell them I'm uninterested. It's gotten to the point where I look out my peephole, and if I don't recognize who's there, I simply don't answer the door and they leave eventually. That's probably how it should be anyways, no one should open the door for random strangers.

During the school year at the university, Mormons would walk around campus and if they saw someone sitting alone eating lunch or trying to do homework or study, they'd come sit next to them and try to convert them, welcome or not. I've even been cornered in the university bathroom on occasion by overzealous Mormon missionaries.

Lately every time I've gone to use the building's laundry facilities, there's been Jehovah's Witness propaganda pamphlets strewn across the machines. They are in the way rather inconveniently for people moving their laundry out on washers into dryers, for people cleaning lint traps, and for people who come in and try to set their detergent and baskets on top of the machines. So tenants just come in, pick up all the pamphlets, and toss them in the trash without reading. And the next time I try to go do my laundry again, there they are again, scattered across all the machines.

I really wish that theists could be theists all by themselves and atheists could be atheists all by themselves, and the two groups could live together in an agreement to disagree and get on with their lives. Unfortunately, I doubt that will happen because most religions by nature demand that their followers attempt to recruit others and most atheists by nature get really annoyed when theists try to convert them.

As for my own beliefs, I am wishy-washy. I really don't think there is a god, which makes me atheist. But I know that I don't have all the wisdom in the world and cannot know for sure, which also makes me agnostic. And I really don't think it's necessary to discuss in everyday life or care about or worry about in everyday life. It's not part of my personality, not a big part of my identity at all. There comes a point where I have to tell people that I simply don't care. For that reason, I prefer to just be called non-religious.

thinking infers knowledge, atheism has nothing to do with knowledge.
so both make you an agnostic.

belief(or lack of) =/= knowledge (or lack of)
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By zahrah 2011-06-29 14:21:02
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Ragnarok.Ashman said:
zahrah said:
Ragnarok.Ashman said:
zahrah said:
Am I allowed to go on about my business or not? Or do I need to continue discussing the same endless, cylical BS with all of you? I've already been insulted on here for saying that I would like to have my children baptized, so after that I have not been as invested in these threads. EDIT: At this point I would rather just read.
Hey baby, if you want to meet up for drinks or coffee we can discuss NEW BS endlessly <3 *WINK WINK*
I think you and I would be on much better terms than some on here. Some people don't realize that their digging themselves into a hole when they openly gut the agnostics on this site too.

Oh... yeah uhhh religion. Yeah we can talk about that.

Other things are good too. At least we also have work in common.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-29 14:21:50
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zahrah said:
Phoenix.Neosutra said:
The week before I saw an article on how those militant atheists were trying to rewrite history to be more liberal.. Oh wait, nvm that was conservatives in Texas trying to rewrite history to be more Christian.

I'm sorry. Were you educated in this state? Sensationalism does not account for real life. Keep it up though. You're really winning us over on the internet.

are you trying to say that people should be taught things that don't have facts behind them?
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2011-06-29 14:23:12
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zahrah said:
Phoenix.Neosutra said:
The week before I saw an article on how those militant atheists were trying to rewrite history to be more liberal.. Oh wait, nvm that was conservatives in Texas trying to rewrite history to be more Christian.

I'm sorry. Were you educated in this state? Sensationalism does not account for real life. Keep it up though. You're really winning us over on the internet.

It was a comparison of the massive amount of active public atrocities and publicity that is done by theists versus atheists (i.e. almost none by atheists).

And a general mocking of your *** illusion that you're a victim here and us evil atheists are forcing our views down your throats by posting youtube videos of quirky atheist guys with shitty narrating voices making generalizations... On a *** religious discussion forum.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2011-06-29 14:25:43
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zahrah said:
I've already been insulted on here for saying that I would like to have my children baptized.

I christened my kids just to cover my *** in unlikely event that it's actually a prerequisite to get into a heaven I don't believe exists.

Their greatgrandmother used to do this thing where she spit through her fingers to get rid of any curses random strangers might have cast on them...

Anyone can say whatever they want about you or I or my grandma, just refuse to be insulted. It's that simple.

My 11 year old asked me why science was trying to disprove god. I told him whether or not god exists doesn't matter. We don't do the right things because we're afraid of retribution or angling for a reward. We do them because they are the right things to do.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-06-29 14:26:18
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As for my own beliefs, I am wishy-washy. I really don't think there is a god, which makes me atheist. But I know that I don't have all the wisdom in the world and cannot know for sure, which also makes me agnostic. And I really don't think it's necessary to discuss in everyday life or care about or worry about in everyday life. It's not part of my personality, not a big part of my identity at all. There comes a point where I have to tell people that I simply don't care. For that reason, I prefer to just be called non-religious.

Agnosticism and Gnosticism are not exclusive from atheism and theism! Saying "I'm agnostic!" doesn't actually mean anything.

From what you've said, you are an agnostic atheist. An agnostic atheist can be summed up as "I don't think there is a deity but I can never be 100% sure."

A gnostic atheist says "I am sure there is no deity, no doubt in my mind."

A gnostic theist says "I am sure there is a deity, no doubt in my mind."

An agnostic theist says "I do think there is a deity but I can never be 100% sure."

Hope that clears up a little.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-06-29 14:27:18
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zahrah said:
Phoenix.Neosutra said:
The week before I saw an article on how those militant atheists were trying to rewrite history to be more liberal.. Oh wait, nvm that was conservatives in Texas trying to rewrite history to be more Christian.

I'm sorry. Were you educated in this state? Sensationalism does not account for real life. Keep it up though. You're really winning us over on the internet.

Um, given the whole Texas and Textbook link, it has a bearing on most other states, not just Texas.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-06-29 14:27:44
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zahrah said:
Honestly, not many. Maybe two. I have met more crazy evangelicals though.

And therein lies my point, the internet is largely the bastion for atheists because otherwise they are divided among a sea of theists with often intolerant belief systems. This isn't to say theists can't be tolerant as many are passive but drop the word atheist in a small town and watch the heads spin.

Pat Condell summed it up well indeed.

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Can I be sick of arguing on the internet when I know that the outcome will always be the same though? Am I allowed to go on about my business or not? Or do I need to continue discussing the same endless, cylical BS with all of you?

You're welcome to be burned out of arguing but the outcome is not always the same. Debating both sides forces people to arm themselves with knowledge or be called out on nonsense which leads to revision of thought even if someone may not outright say it.

It's like arguing sports. Every season it's the same ***but that doesn't make it any less interesting to discuss.

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I've already been insulted on here for saying that I would like to have my children baptized, so after that I have not been as invested in these threads.

Seems like you took someones statement to heart. A baptism is your choice but largely discussions against theism involve repelling the institutions that desire nothing less than forcing their oppressive, hateful and archaic belief systems on others.

I speak for myself however as atheists come in many shades.
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By zahrah 2011-06-29 14:28:00
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
zahrah said:
Phoenix.Neosutra said:
The week before I saw an article on how those militant atheists were trying to rewrite history to be more liberal.. Oh wait, nvm that was conservatives in Texas trying to rewrite history to be more Christian.

I'm sorry. Were you educated in this state? Sensationalism does not account for real life. Keep it up though. You're really winning us over on the internet.

are you trying to say that people should be taught things that don't have facts behind them?

Are you serious?!? Did you even read?

I live in Texas and was educated here, with the exception of a few years in Germany during my childhood. Most teachers will continue with the same curriculum that is implemented all over this nation.

The idea that educators in this state are actively ramming creationism down our throats is a bunch of horse ***! If evangelical parents didn't agree with their children being taught Evolution or the Big Bang Theory they were excused from class. No protests. Nothing.
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By Odin.Liela 2011-06-29 14:28:11
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As for my own beliefs, I am wishy-washy. I really don't think there is a god, which makes me atheist. But I know that I don't have all the wisdom in the world and cannot know for sure, which also makes me agnostic. And I really don't think it's necessary to discuss in everyday life or care about or worry about in everyday life. It's not part of my personality, not a big part of my identity at all. There comes a point where I have to tell people that I simply don't care. For that reason, I prefer to just be called non-religious.

Agnosticism and Gnosticism are not exclusive from atheism and theism! Saying "I'm agnostic!" doesn't actually mean anything.

From what you've said, you are an agnostic atheist. An agnostic atheist can be summed up as "I don't think there is a deity but I can never be 100% sure."

A gnostic atheist says "I am sure there is no deity, no doubt in my mind."

A gnostic theist says "I am sure there is a deity, no doubt in my mind."

An agnostic theist says "I do think there is a deity but I can never be 100% sure."

Hope that clears up a little.

It does clear it up for me, thanks.
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By Asura.Kosmik 2011-06-29 14:30:58
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Phoenix.Neosutra said:

It was a comparison of the massive amount of active public atrocities and publicity that is done by theists versus atheists (i.e. almost none by atheists).

What about the ones that try to get Nativity scenes taken down from public places? Or the ones that try to remove "In God We Trust" from the currency? Or the ones that try to remove "One Nation under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance?

There's plenty of nutjobs on both sides.
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I'm an agnostic atheist too, Liela!

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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-06-29 14:32:52
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Shiva.Nikolce said:
zahrah said:
I've already been insulted on here for saying that I would like to have my children baptized.

I christened my kids just to cover my *** in unlikely event that it's actually a prerequisite to get into a heaven I don't believe exists.

Pascal!

Problem is an all knowing deity would know you just did it to cover your ***.

Or, if you die and apparently some obscure, Christian hating religion had it right where the god eats you for baptizing the kid.

There's no winning. Way too many variables @.@
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-06-29 14:34:11
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Asura.Kosmik said:
Phoenix.Neosutra said:

It was a comparison of the massive amount of active public atrocities and publicity that is done by theists versus atheists (i.e. almost none by atheists).

What about the ones that try to get Nativity scenes taken down from public places? Or the ones that try to remove "In God We Trust" from the currency? Or the ones that try to remove "One Nation under God" from the Pledge of Pledge of Allegiance?

There's plenty of nutjobs on both sides.

Public places being what?

In God We Trust should not be on our currency. It's stupid and takes a piss on those who don't believe in the same 'God.'

Look up the original pledge of allegiance and get back to me.
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I'm an agnostic atheist too, Liela!

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I'm glad Spence and Leila are here! <3 I love you guys!
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By Odin.Liela 2011-06-29 14:37:48
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Asura.Kosmik said:
Phoenix.Neosutra said:

It was a comparison of the massive amount of active public atrocities and publicity that is done by theists versus atheists (i.e. almost none by atheists).

What about the ones that try to get Nativity scenes taken down from public places? Or the ones that try to remove "In God We Trust" from the currency? Or the ones that try to remove "One Nation under God" from the Pledge of Pledge of Allegiance?

There's plenty of nutjobs on both sides.

While it doesn't personally matter to me if the pledge says 'under god,' I can see how it could be disturbing. It's a pledge. A promise. If you are atheist or of a different religion than Christianty, I can see how you would not want a patriotic pledge to your country to also pledge you to a deity.

As for the money, I have a hard time seeing why anyone would care. Why would anyone actually read the small print on currency and give a darn? But if you want to get technical, there is supposedly a separation of church and state which makes it awkward to have a churchly statement on currency issued by the government.

The same goes for nativity scenes if they are set up on government property, like courthouses or schools. But if they are public or private property, who duckin' cares? People who whine about a nativity being set up need to spend less time looking for things to whine about and more time drinking hot chocolate spiked with outrageous amounts of mint liquor. Because I swear to you, hot chocolate with mint liquor is the reason for the season.
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