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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2011-06-29 23:58:57
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I say 100% that there is no god, not because I believe I know the answer to all life and the universe, but because I find the god that is defined by current religion to be paradoxical and impossible by definition.

So there is no god(s), as we've defined them, with 100% certainty.

If you're interested in the 100 different paradoxes that lead me to that conclusion, I'm sure any other atheist here could expand upon it (or I will when I wake up tomorrow).
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-06-30 00:01:26
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Neo.

Who is the girl in that avatar?
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-30 00:02:42
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Ifrit.Daemun said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:

The burden of proof when somebody is claiming something is real, is the person doing the claiming, not the disbeliever.

However I'm going to assume this crack is made at trying to infer that I made the claim that "there is no god" which I've never, nor until it can be proven will ever make such a claim.

As for Daemun, I haven't posted here for even 2 years, much less 4.

Maybe you're too busy being delusional to be able to tell the proper passage of time.

As for the "he's always right" crack, be able to prove me wrong (very few can or have, and I've conceded when they do).
The burden of proof, always lies in the prosecution. As far as these threads are concerned, that would be the atheists here. I'm not making the threads with videos/articles trying to prove to everyone here that God exists. I am merely defending my beliefs. Until that scenario changes, it is up to you (collective) to prove otherwise.

EDIT for Jet: I say 'he' as there is always 1 forum-goer that defaults to the 'your insane' argument when in disagreement. It used to be Korpg, now it's you. I've seen you concede when proven wrong, but your favorite clause is that anyone with a differing opinion can't be in their right mind. I honestly wonder what type of profession you are in, because in most of the business world I see, that is an attitude that won't get you very far. (Usually out the door)

the burden of proof never lies upon the disbeliever, that's illogical and *** backwards, as for you being crazy:
Your beliefs are those of an insane man, to say you hold those beliefs and try to claim you are not insane is ludicrous, it has nothing to do with anything else.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-30 00:05:32
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Phoenix.Neosutra said:
I say 100% that there is no god, not because I believe I know the answer to all life and the universe, but because I find the god that is defined by current religion to be paradoxical and impossible by definition.

So there is no god(s), as we've defined them, with 100% certainty.

If you're interested in the 100 different paradoxes that lead me to that conclusion, I'm sure any other atheist here could expand upon it (or I will when I wake up tomorrow).

so basically you say their version of a god doesn't exist, considering their version of a god is logically impossible, I'd have to concur.
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-30 00:05:39
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ifrit.Daemun said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:

The burden of proof when somebody is claiming something is real, is the person doing the claiming, not the disbeliever.

However I'm going to assume this crack is made at trying to infer that I made the claim that "there is no god" which I've never, nor until it can be proven will ever make such a claim.

As for Daemun, I haven't posted here for even 2 years, much less 4.

Maybe you're too busy being delusional to be able to tell the proper passage of time.

As for the "he's always right" crack, be able to prove me wrong (very few can or have, and I've conceded when they do).
The burden of proof, always lies in the prosecution. As far as these threads are concerned, that would be the atheists here. I'm not making the threads with videos/articles trying to prove to everyone here that God exists. I am merely defending my beliefs. Until that scenario changes, it is up to you (collective) to prove otherwise.

EDIT for Jet: I say 'he' as there is always 1 forum-goer that defaults to the 'your insane' argument when in disagreement. It used to be Korpg, now it's you. I've seen you concede when proven wrong, but your favorite clause is that anyone with a differing opinion can't be in their right mind. I honestly wonder what type of profession you are in, because in most of the business world I see, that is an attitude that won't get you very far. (Usually out the door)

the burden of proof never lies upon the disbeliever, that's illogical and *** backwards, as for you being crazy:
Your beliefs are those of an insane man, to say you hold those beliefs and try to claim you are not insane is ludicrous, it has nothing to do with anything else.
Your belief that scientific processes are self sustaining are what's insane. There are too many anomalies and exceptions to the rule, with every rule. Left to its own devices, scientific process alone could not sustain life as long as it has.
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-30 00:06:24
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
Neo.

Who is the girl in that avatar?
For some reason I thought this was going to be a Matrix reference.
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By Shiva.Xellith 2011-06-30 00:07:19
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Ifrit.Daemun said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ifrit.Daemun said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:

The burden of proof when somebody is claiming something is real, is the person doing the claiming, not the disbeliever.

However I'm going to assume this crack is made at trying to infer that I made the claim that "there is no god" which I've never, nor until it can be proven will ever make such a claim.

As for Daemun, I haven't posted here for even 2 years, much less 4.

Maybe you're too busy being delusional to be able to tell the proper passage of time.

As for the "he's always right" crack, be able to prove me wrong (very few can or have, and I've conceded when they do).
The burden of proof, always lies in the prosecution. As far as these threads are concerned, that would be the atheists here. I'm not making the threads with videos/articles trying to prove to everyone here that God exists. I am merely defending my beliefs. Until that scenario changes, it is up to you (collective) to prove otherwise.

EDIT for Jet: I say 'he' as there is always 1 forum-goer that defaults to the 'your insane' argument when in disagreement. It used to be Korpg, now it's you. I've seen you concede when proven wrong, but your favorite clause is that anyone with a differing opinion can't be in their right mind. I honestly wonder what type of profession you are in, because in most of the business world I see, that is an attitude that won't get you very far. (Usually out the door)

the burden of proof never lies upon the disbeliever, that's illogical and *** backwards, as for you being crazy:
Your beliefs are those of an insane man, to say you hold those beliefs and try to claim you are not insane is ludicrous, it has nothing to do with anything else.
Your belief that scientific processes are self sustaining are what's insane. There are too many anomalies and exceptions to the rule, with every rule. Left to its own devices, scientific process alone could not sustain life as long as it has.

here you are making a claim. Prove it.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-30 00:07:25
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Ifrit.Daemun said:
Phoenix.Neosutra said:
Ifrit.Daemun said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:

The burden of proof when somebody is claiming something is real, is the person doing the claiming, not the disbeliever.

However I'm going to assume this crack is made at trying to infer that I made the claim that "there is no god" which I've never, nor until it can be proven will ever make such a claim.

As for Daemun, I haven't posted here for even 2 years, much less 4.

Maybe you're too busy being delusional to be able to tell the proper passage of time.

As for the "he's always right" crack, be able to prove me wrong (very few can or have, and I've conceded when they do).
The burden of proof, always lies in the prosecution. As far as these threads are concerned, that would be the atheists here. I'm not making the threads with videos/articles trying to prove to everyone here that God exists. I am merely defending my beliefs. Until that scenario changes, it is up to you (collective) to prove otherwise.

EDIT for Jeta: I say 'he' as there is always 1 forum-goer that defaults to the 'your insane' argument when in disagreement. It used to be Korpg, now it's you. I've seen you concede when proven wrong, but your favorite clause is that anyone with a differing opinion can't be in their right mind. I honestly wonder what type of profession you are in, because in most of the business world I see, that is an attitude that won't get you very far. (Usually out the door)

What on earth would have made you think burden of proof lies in prosecution?

An idea isn't "right until proved wrong", it's quite the opposite. You're confusing the scientific method with civil liberties. My idea that pink elephants pissed out the universe is not "right" until you can prove it wrong. It's nonsense until I can provide evidence to support it.

Good grief.
It isn't just civil liberties. So quick to be on the offensive, and haven't even done any homework.

Let's take an example: Fred is color blind. He believes he is seeing the color purple. What he is actually seeing is green. Tom comes up to him and tells him he is wrong. The burden of proof does not lie in Fred, but in Tom.

When you are trying to change someones ideas, therein lies the burden of proof. If I was at your doorstep telling you that you would go to hell if you didn't find Jesus (which I don't do fyi, I think that is wrong on many levels), then it is up to me to show you reasons why I'm right.

Atheists are continually making threads claiming God doesn't exist on these forums. It is up to you to prove beyond a reasonable doubt your claim. Until you have done so, it is (here's some of ya'lls favorite word) illogical and unmerited to call theists crazy, dumb etc.

No, just no.

Also the people who make those threads about "god doesn't exist" or whatever, those are people who are trying to make that claim, however I don't know anyone on this site that would try to claim that there is no form of a god anywhere, or anyone anywhere really that would attempt to make that claim, because it's illogical.

However you (and those like you) who try to claim a god exists, when you don't have proof, are illogical, delusional and quite probably insane.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-06-30 00:16:56
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Ifrit.Daemun said:
Shiva.Xellith said:
you hurt Puff the Magic Dragons feelings
Disappointed when I was told all of these HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE songs were thought up because the people writing them were on drugs 24/7.

Growing up I always thought the hippie era was a revolt against the 'man' and a green lifestyle push. It was even more lackluster than that, as the dress code was a by product of their inability to be cognizant, and their rage to government was angst at the threat of going to jail for said illegal activities.

Bet you weren't expecting that response.

I'm pretty sure it was a strong mix of what you thought when you were growing up and what you think now. I think a lot of people hopped on the hippie bandwagon due to drugs, but if you look at events like Vietnam and the people's reaction to said events...

Kissinger essentially became a war criminal, government did drug testing on citizens and military personnel, LSD was a government creation, nobody wanted to be involved with the Vietnam war but we were pressured to combat Communism.

Hell, the Cold War with Russia(and its many proxy battles) caused countless problems that we still face today. One of which was America's arming of Middle Eastern terrorists.

I don't think you should write all of it off as a "lackluster angst".
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By Shiva.Xellith 2011-06-30 00:18:55
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the cold war.. the biggest *** measuring contest in history.
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-30 00:19:01
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
Ifrit.Daemun said:
Shiva.Xellith said:
you hurt Puff the Magic Dragons feelings
Disappointed when I was told all of these HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE songs were thought up because the people writing them were on drugs 24/7.

Growing up I always thought the hippie era was a revolt against the 'man' and a green lifestyle push. It was even more lackluster than that, as the dress code was a by product of their inability to be cognizant, and their rage to government was angst at the threat of going to jail for said illegal activities.

Bet you weren't expecting that response.

I'm pretty sure it was a strong mix of what you thought when you were growing up and what you think now. I think a lot of people hopped on the hippie bandwagon due to drugs, but if you look at events like Vietnam and the people's reaction to said events...

Kissinger essentially became a war criminal, government did drug testing on citizens and military personnel, LSD was a government creation, nobody wanted to be involved with the Vietnam war but we were pressured to combat Communism.

Hell, the Cold War with Russia(and its many proxy battles) caused countless problems that we still face today. One of which was America's arming of Middle Eastern terrorists.

I don't think you should write all of it off as a "lackluster angst".
Every generation deals with problems on this scale (or greater) what makes that group so special they could be downright heathen about their reaction to our governing body?
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-06-30 00:23:17
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Ifrit.Daemun said:
Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
Ifrit.Daemun said:
Shiva.Xellith said:
you hurt Puff the Magic Dragons feelings
Disappointed when I was told all of these HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE songs were thought up because the people writing them were on drugs 24/7.

Growing up I always thought the hippie era was a revolt against the 'man' and a green lifestyle push. It was even more lackluster than that, as the dress code was a by product of their inability to be cognizant, and their rage to government was angst at the threat of going to jail for said illegal activities.

Bet you weren't expecting that response.

I'm pretty sure it was a strong mix of what you thought when you were growing up and what you think now. I think a lot of people hopped on the hippie bandwagon due to drugs, but if you look at events like Vietnam and the people's reaction to said events...

Kissinger essentially became a war criminal, government did drug testing on citizens and military personnel, LSD was a government creation, nobody wanted to be involved with the Vietnam war but we were pressured to combat Communism.

Hell, the Cold War with Russia(and its many proxy battles) caused countless problems that we still face today. One of which was America's arming of Middle Eastern terrorists.

I don't think you should write all of it off as a "lackluster angst".
Every generation deals with problems on this scale (or greater) what makes that group so special they could be downright heathen about their reaction to our governing body?

Because their fathers and mothers were a part of a more noble generation of America's history. World War I and World War II. Though we weren't absolved of guilt from war crimes during those events, it was a lot less apparent and not as center stage as our Cold War conflicts.

Imagine, your parents feeding you crap about how great the country is(due to their built up trust) while you watch atrocities smacking you in the face.
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-30 00:24:38
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:

No, just no.

Also the people who make those threads about "god doesn't exist" or whatever, those are people who are trying to make that claim, however I don't know anyone on this site that would try to claim that there is no form of a god anywhere, or anyone anywhere really that would attempt to make that claim, because it's illogical.

However you (and those like you) who try to claim a god exists, when you don't have proof, are illogical, delusional and quite probably insane.
Seriously? Is this a rerun of the Rick James episode of Dave Chapelle? You say it was people making that claim, but you wouldn't know anyone on here that would make that claim; when they were obviously making that claim (as per your example and as per what the atheism belief [I said belief, because it is a belief. I didn't say faith] is). Then, you turn around and say people making the opposite claim are delusional and insane?

At this point I can no longer take you seriously. That's by far the biggest run around I believe I've ever seen in a discussion. The difference with the Chapelle Show, was it happened to be steeped in sarcasm. Yours was heartfelt, however. Out of respect I'll no longer reply to you, because it's just going to upset me to deal with someone so blinded in self righteousness and yet so clueless that they would use what you just did as a rebuttal.
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By Leviathan.Novax 2011-06-30 00:25:38
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I don't believe there is a form of a god.
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-30 00:27:05
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said:

Because their fathers and mothers were a part of a more noble generation of America's history. World War I and World War II. Though we weren't absolved of guilt from war crimes during those events, it was a lot less apparent and not as center stage as our Cold War conflicts.

Imagine, your parents feeding you crap about how great the country is(due to their built up trust) while you watch atrocities smacking you in the face.
That has happened to me. The only problem with this, is I see atrocities all over the world. From what I've seen, this is a great country. It has nothing to do with leadership (it never has), it is the lack of control from the government which allows the average US citizen to band together and continually push forward no matter what adversity strikes them. We make this country what it is, and it is great. We're fed BS reasons as to why, but the point remains valid. We control that destiny. Sitting around and having a pity party about it does nothing productive.
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-30 00:28:54
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Leviathan.Novax said:
I don't believe there is a form of a god.
Thank you for a non aggressive, pointed answer.

I respect your decision, however my belief is different.
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By Leviathan.Novax 2011-06-30 00:30:44
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Ifrit.Daemun said:
Leviathan.Novax said:
I don't believe there is a form of a god.
Thank you for a non aggressive, pointed answer.

I respect your decision, however my belief is different.

If people could get along like this, the world would be a better place.
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-06-30 00:31:23
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Leviathan.Novax said:
Ifrit.Daemun said:
Leviathan.Novax said:
I don't believe there is a form of a god.
Thank you for a non aggressive, pointed answer.

I respect your decision, however my belief is different.

If people could get along like this, the world would be a better place.
Agree whole-heartedly.

I'm off to bed for the night. Enjoy (hopefully) the discussion.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-30 01:15:47
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Ifrit.Daemun said:
Leviathan.Novax said:
I don't believe there is a form of a god.
Thank you for a non aggressive, pointed answer.

I respect your decision, however my belief is different.

and these are equally silly beliefs as there's no evidence to support either
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-30 01:17:39
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Ifrit.Daemun said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:

No, just no.

Also the people who make those threads about "god doesn't exist" or whatever, those are people who are trying to make that claim, however I don't know anyone on this site that would try to claim that there is no form of a god anywhere, or anyone anywhere really that would attempt to make that claim, because it's illogical.

However you (and those like you) who try to claim a god exists, when you don't have proof, are illogical, delusional and quite probably insane.
Seriously? Is this a rerun of the Rick James episode of Dave Chapelle? You say it was people making that claim, but you wouldn't know anyone on here that would make that claim; when they were obviously making that claim (as per your example and as per what the atheism belief [I said belief, because it is a belief. I didn't say faith] is). Then, you turn around and say people making the opposite claim are delusional and insane?

At this point I can no longer take you seriously. That's by far the biggest run around I believe I've ever seen in a discussion. The difference with the Chapelle Show, was it happened to be steeped in sarcasm. Yours was heartfelt, however. Out of respect I'll no longer reply to you, because it's just going to upset me to deal with someone so blinded in self righteousness and yet so clueless that they would use what you just did as a rebuttal.

actually it was you who made the claim that those people exist, I was referring to your claim.

pay attention.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-30 01:19:15
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to correct that sentence I probably should have said "those would be the people who would make the claim that god doesn't exist" my bad, I forgot I had to specify when people can't follow.

edit: or are you really that obtuse to where you just simply didn't understand that the 2nd statement you bolded wasn't making an absolute claim of either, knowing you: probably.
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-06-30 02:09:27
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Whoa now!

This thread surely got a robust second-wind.

I'd say it's a ridiculous argument to claim that humans need to "prove" supernatural beings exist. I'd also say it's equally ridiculous to claim that non-religious humans have a responsibility to "disprove" the existence of supernatural beings.

"Holy books" do not prove the existence of a god.
So-called "miracles" do not prove the existence of a god.
Earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters (most certainly!) do not prove the existence of a god.

Likewise, fossils do not disprove the existence of a god.
Evolution does not disprove the existence of a god.

So, why do we argue for or against these things?
It's highly likely that the existence of supernatural beings will *NEVER* be proven or disproved.

That said, you might ask, so what the hell is your point then Elana?
Well, I believe that humans have a responsibility to question tradition. While tradition can be beneficial (for example, families gathering for mealtimes, which encourages communication and bonding), tradition can also be harmful to society (for example, American schools still adhering to a schedule that was designed to give adolescents afternoons and summers off to "work on the farm" during the 19th century).

Modern religion is our civilization's greatest tragedy and eyesore, neatly packaged in "tradition" to make it appear beneficial. I can not think of any other cultural force that has been more directly influential in bloody wars, prejudicial inquisitions, tyrannical government reigns, and general reinforcement of inter-cultural hatred throughout the last 2000 years of history.
And yet why does religion still exist despite all the havoc it has plagued civilization with? ... simple: tradition, with a side-dish of basic human fear/paranoia.

So, when I ask the reader/viewer here in this forum to consider non-theism as a better way of life, I do so earnestly, without nearly as much judgement as you probably might think.

Religious life isn't "bad" or "wrong". It's just that a non-theist life is *better*. Better for the individual, and for civilization as a whole.

That's my message. I don't care if you believe in gods, but I respect you a *whole* lot more if you're brave enough to question your religion and its tenets. And if you're willing and able to renounce religious practice, you're advancing civilization. If you choose to cling to religious practice, you're weighing civilization down.
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By Bismarck.Pottheadjimmy 2011-06-30 02:22:14
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another religion topic.../sigh

when would ppl realize that it doesn't matter what you believe in or what color is you'r damn skin. we are generally the same inside with similar wants and needs.

personally, i sickens me that ppl are killing each other in the name of God, Allah or what ever you believe in.
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2011-06-30 07:02:24
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Ok seriously enough with these religous bashing threads, I am an atheist, but i f&cking hate most atheist,

Religion has at least accomplished alot more then atheism has, yeah religion has accomplished alot of bad things, but also alot of good things.

What have atheist ever accomplished? I cant think of anything, So instead of bashing religion all the time, why dont you atheist ban together, and go accomplish something.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-06-30 07:33:10
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Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
Ok seriously enough with these religous bashing threads, I am an atheist, but i f&cking hate most atheist,

Religion has at least accomplished alot more then atheism has, yeah religion has accomplished alot of bad things, but also alot of good things.

What have atheist ever accomplished? I cant think of anything, So instead of bashing religion all the time, why dont you atheist ban together, and go accomplish something.
List of atheists in the field of science and technology:
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Peter Atkins (1940–): English chemist, Professor of chemistry at Lincoln College, Oxford in England.[1]
Julius Axelrod (1912–2004): American Nobel Prize winning biochemist, noted for his work on the release and reuptake of catecholamine neurotransmitters and major contributions to the understanding of the pineal gland and how it is regulated during the sleep-wake cycle.[2]
Sir Edward Battersby Bailey FRS (1881–1965): British geologist, director of the British Geological Survey.[3]
Sir Patrick Bateson FRS (1938–): English biologist and science writer, Emeritus Professor of ethology at Cambridge University and president of the Zoological Society of London.[4]
William Bateson (1861–1926): British geneticist, a Fellow of St. John's College, Cambridge, where he eventually became Master. He was the first person to use the term genetics to describe the study of heredity and biological inheritance, and the chief populariser of the ideas of Gregor Mendel following their rediscovery.[5]
Patrick Blackett OM, CH, FRS (1897–1974): Nobel Prize winning English experimental physicist known for his work on cloud chambers, cosmic rays, and paleomagnetism.[6]
Susan Blackmore (1951–): English psychologist and memeticist, best known for her book The Meme Machine.[7]
Sir Hermann Bondi KCB, FRS (1919–2005): Anglo-Austrian mathematician and cosmologist, best known for co-developing the steady-state theory of the universe and important contributions to the theory of general relativity.[8][9]
Paul D. Boyer (1918–): American biochemist and Nobel Laureate in Chemistry in 1997.[10]
Calvin Bridges (1889–1938): American geneticist, known especially for his work on fruit fly genetics.[11]
Sheldon Brown (1944–2008): Bicycle mechanic and technical authority on almost every aspect of bicycles.[12]
Ruth Mack Brunswick (1897–1946): American psychologist, a close confidant of and collaborator with Sigmund Freud.[13]
Sean M. Carroll (1966–): American cosmologist specializing in dark energy and general relativity.[14]
Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar (1910–1995): Indian American astrophysicist known for his theoretical work on the structure and evolution of stars. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1983.[15]
William Kingdon Clifford FRS (1845–1879): English mathematician and philosopher, co-introducer of geometric algebra, the first to suggest that gravitation might be a manifestation of an underlying geometry, and coiner of the expression "mind-stuff".[16]
Frank Close OBE (1945–): British particle physicist, Professor of Physics at the University of Oxford and a Fellow of Exeter College, Oxford, known for his lectures and writings making science intelligible to a wider audience, for which he was awarded the Institute of Physics's Kelvin Medal and Prize.[17]
Brian Cox OBE (1968–): English particle physicist, Royal Society University Research Fellow, Professor at the University of Manchester. Best known as a presenter of a number of science programmes for the BBC. He also had some fame in the 1990s as the keyboard player for the pop band D:Ream.[18][19]
Jerry Coyne (1949–): American professor of biology, known for his books on evolution and commentary on the intelligent design debate.[20]
Francis Crick (1916–2004): English molecular biologist, physicist, and neuroscientist; noted for being one of the co-discoverers of the structure of the DNA molecule in 1953. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1962.[21][22][23][24][25][26][27]
Sir Howard Dalton FRS (1944–2008): British microbiologist, Chief Scientific Advisor to the UK's Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs from March 2002 to September 2007.[28]
Richard Dawkins (1941–): British zoologist, biologist, creator of the concepts of the selfish gene and the meme; outspoken atheist and popularizer of science, author of The God Delusion and founder of the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science.[29]
Arnaud Denjoy (1884–1974): French mathematician, noted for his contributions to harmonic analysis and differential equations.[30]
Paul Dirac (1902–1984): British theoretical physicist, one of the founders of quantum mechanics, predicted the existence of antimatter, and won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1933.[31][32]
Thomas Edison: American inventor[33]
Albert Ellis (1913–2007): American psychologist who in 1955 developed Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy.[34].
Sandra Faber (1944–): American University Professor of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the University of California, Santa Cruz, also working at the Lick Observatory, who headed the team that discovered 'The Great Attractor.[35]
Leon Festinger (1919–1989): American social psychologist famous for his Theory of Cognitive Dissonance.[36].
Richard Feynman (1918–1988): American theoretical physicist, best known for his work in renormalizing Quantum electrodynamics (QED) and his path integral formulation of quantum mechanics . He won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1965.[37][38]
Sigmund Freud (1856–1939): Father of psychoanalysis.[39]
Erich Fromm (1900–1980): renowned Jewish-German-American social psychologist, psychoanalyst, and humanistic philosopher, associated with the Frankfurt School of critical theory.[40]
Christer Fuglesang (1957–), Swedish astronaut and physicist.[41]
Vitaly Ginzburg (1916–2009): Russian theoretical physicist and astrophysicist who was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2003. He was also awarded the Wolf Prize in Physics in 1994/95.[42]
Stephen Jay Gould (1941–2002): American paleontologist, evolutionary biologist, and historian of science, one of the most influential and widely read writers of popular science of his generation.[43]
Susan Greenfield, Baroness Greenfield, CBE (1950–): British scientist, writer and broadcaster, specialising in the physiology of the brain, who has worked to research and bring attention to Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.[44]
Jonathan Haidt (c.1964–): Associate professor of psychology at the University of Virginia, focusing on the psychological bases of morality across different cultures, and author of The Happiness Hypothesis.[45]
E. T. 'Teddy' Hall (1924–2001): English archaeological scientist, famous for exposing the Piltdown Man fraud and dating the Turin Shroud as a medieval fake.[46]
Sir James Hall (1761–1832): Scottish geologist and chemist, President of the Royal Society of Edinburgh and leading figure in the Scottish Enlightenment.[47]
Beverly Halstead (1933–1991): British paleontologist and populariser of science.[48]
G. H. Hardy (1877–1947): a prominent English mathematician, known for his achievements in number theory and mathematical analysis.[49][50]
Stephen Hawking: arguably the world's pre-eminent scientist advocates atheism in The Grand Design[51]
Peter Higgs (1929–): British theoretical physicist, recipient of the Dirac Medal and Prize, known for his prediction of the existence of a new particle, the Higgs boson, nicknamed the "God particle".[52]
Lancelot Hogben (1895–1975): English experimental zoologist and medical statistician, now best known for his popularising books on science, mathematics and language.[53]
Nicholas Humphrey (1943–): British psychologist, working on consciousness and belief in the supernatural from a Darwinian perspective, and primatological research into Machiavellian intelligence theory.[54]
Sir Julian Huxley FRS (1887–1975): English evolutionary biologist, a leading figure in the mid-twentieth century evolutionary synthesis, Secretary of the Zoological Society of London (1935–1942), the first Director of UNESCO, and a founding member of the World Wildlife Fund.[55]
Frédéric Joliot-Curie (1900–1958): French physicist and Nobel Laureate in Chemistry in 1935.[56][57]
Steve Jones (1944–): British geneticist, Professor of genetics and head of the biology department at University College London, and television presenter and a prize-winning author on biology, especially evolution; one of the best known contemporary popular writers on evolution.[58][59]
Stuart Kauffman (1939-): American theoretical biologist and complex systems researcher concerning the origin of life on Earth. He is best known for arguing that the complexity of biological systems and organisms might result as much from self-organization and far-from-equilibrium dynamics as from Darwinian natural selection, as well as for applying models of Boolean networks to simplified genetic circuits.[60]
Lawrence Krauss (1954-): Professor of physics at Arizona State University and popularizer of science. Krauss speaks regularly at atheist conferences, like Beyond Belief and Atheist Alliance International.[61]
Harold Kroto (1939–): 1996 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry.[62]
Alfred Kinsey (1894–1956): American biologist, sexologist and professor of entomology and zoology.[63]
Pierre-Simon Laplace (1749 –1827): French mathematician and astronomer whose work was pivotal to the development of mathematical astronomy and statistics, and anticipated the discovery of galaxies other than the Milky Way and the existence of black holes.[64]
Richard Leakey (1944–): Kenyan paleontologist, archaeologist and conservationist.[65]
Sir John Leslie (1766–1832): Scottish mathematician and physicist best remembered for his research into heat; he was the first person to artificially produce ice, and gave the first modern account of capillary action.[66]
H. Christopher Longuet-Higgins FRS (1923–2004): English theoretical chemist and a cognitive scientist.[67]
Samarendra Maulik (1881–1950): Indian entomologist specialising in the Coleoptera, who worked at the British Museum (Natural History) and a Professor of Zoology at the University of Calcutta.[68]
John Maynard Smith (1920–2004): British evolutionary biologist and geneticist, instrumental in the application of game theory to evolution, and noted theorizer on the evolution of sex and signalling theory.[69]
Ernst Mayr (1904–2005): a renowned taxonomist, tropical explorer, ornithologist, historian of science, and naturalist. He was one of the 20th century's leading evolutionary biologists.[70]
Sir Peter Medawar (1915–1987): Nobel Prize-winning British scientist best known for his work on how the immune system rejects or accepts tissue transplants.[71]
Jeff Medkeff (1968–2008): American astronomer, prominent science writer and educator, and designer of robotic telescopes.[72]
Jonathan Miller CBE (1934–): British physician, actor, theatre and opera director, and television presenter. Wrote and presented the 2004 television series, Atheism: A Rough History of Disbelief, exploring the roots of his own atheism and investigating the history of atheism in the world.[73][74]
Peter D. Mitchell (1920–1992): 1978-Nobel-laureate British biochemist. Atheist mother, and himself atheist from age 15.[75]
Jacques Monod (1910–1976): French biologist who won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1965 for discoveries concerning genetic control of enzyme and virus synthesis.[76]
Desmond Morris (1928–): English zoologist and ethologist, famous for describing human behaviour from a zoological perspective in his books The Naked Ape and The Human Zoo.[77][78]
Fritz Müller (1821–1897): German biologist who emigrated to Brazil, where he studied the natural history of the Amazon rainforest and was an early advocate of evolutionary theory.[79]
Hermann Joseph Muller (1890–1967): American geneticist and educator, best known for his work on the physiological and genetic effects of radiation (X-ray mutagenesis). He won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1946.[80]
PZ Myers (1957–): American biology professor at the University of Minnesota and a blogger via his blog, Pharyngula.[81]
Paul Nurse (1949–): 2001 Nobel Laureate in Physiology or Medicine.[82]
Robert L. Park (born 1931): scientist, University of Maryland professor of physics, and author of Voodoo Science and Superstition.[83]
Linus Pauling (1901–1994): American chemist, Nobel Laureate in Chemistry (1954) and Peace (1962)[32][84]
John Allen Paulos (1945–): Professor of mathematics at Temple University in Philadelphia and writer, author of Irreligion: A Mathematician Explains Why the Arguments for God Just Don't Add Up (2007)[85]
Ivan Pavlov (1849–1936): Nobel Prize winning Russian physiologist, psychologist, and physician, widely known for first describing the phenomenon of classical conditioning.[86]
Francis Perrin (1901–1992): French physicist, co-establisher the possibility of nuclear chain reactions and nuclear energy production.[87]
Massimo Pigliucci (1964–): Professor of Ecology and Evolution at the Stony Brook University and is known as an outspoken critic of creationism and advocate of science education.[88]
Steven Pinker (1954–): Canadian-born American psychologist.[89]
Norman Pirie FRS (1907–1997): British biochemist and virologist co-discoverer in 1936 of viral crystallization, an important milestone in understanding DNA and RNA.[90]
Ronald Plasterk (1957–): Dutch prize-winning molecular geneticist and columnist, and Minister of Education, Culture and Science in the fourth Balkenende cabinet for the Labour Party.[91]
Derek J. de Solla Price (1922–1983): British-American historian of science.[92]
Frank P. Ramsey (1903–1930): British mathematician who also made significant contributions in philosophy and economics.[93]
Richard J. Roberts (1943–): British biochemist and molecular biologist. He won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1993 for the discovery of introns in eukaryotic DNA and the mechanism of gene-splicing.[94][95][96]
Steven Rose (1938–): Professor of Biology and Neurobiology at the Open University and University of London, and author of several popular science books.[97]
Marshall Rosenbluth (1927–2003) American physicist, nicknamed "the Pope of Plasma Physics". He created the Metropolis algorithm in statistical mechanics, derived the Rosenbluth formula in high-energy physics, and laid the foundations for instability theory in plasma physics.[98]
Oliver Sacks (1933–): United States-based British neurologist, who has written popular books about his patients, the most famous of which is Awakenings.[99]
Carl Sagan (1934–1996): American astronomer and astrochemist, a highly successful popularizer of astronomy, astrophysics, and other natural sciences, and pioneer of exobiology and promoter of the SETI. Although Sagan has been identified as an atheist according to some definitions,[100][101][102] he rejected the label, stating "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know."[100] He was an agnostic who,[103] while maintaining that the idea of a creator of the universe was difficult to disprove,[104] nevertheless disbelieved in God's existence, pending sufficient evidence.[105]
Robert Sapolsky (1957–): Professor of Biological Sciences and Professor of Neurology and Neurological Sciences at Stanford University.[106]
Marcus du Sautoy (1965–): mathematician and holder of the Charles Simonyi Chair for the Public Understanding of Science.[107]
Amartya Kumar Sen (1933–): 1998 Nobel Laureate in Economics.[108][109][110][111]
Claude Shannon (1916–2001): American electrical engineer and mathematician, has been called "the father of information theory", and was the founder of practical digital circuit design theory.[112]
Edwin Shneidman (1918–2009): American suicidologist and thanatologist.[113]
Michael Smith (1932–2000): British-born Canadian biochemist and Nobel Laureate in Chemistry in 1993.[114]
Richard Stallman (1953–): American software freedom activist, hacker, and software developer.[115]
Victor J. Stenger (1935–): American physicist, emeritus professor of Physics and Astronomy at the University of Hawaii and adjunct professor of Philosophy at the University of Colorado. Author of the book God: The Failed Hypothesis.[116]
Jack Suchet (1908–2001): South African born obstetrician, gynaecologist and venereologist, who carried out research on the use of penicillin in the treatment of venereal disease with Sir Alexander Fleming.[117]
Eleazar Sukenik (1889–1953): Israeli archaeologist and professor of Hebrew University in Jerusalem, undertaking excavations in Jerusalem, and recognising the importance of the Dead Sea Scrolls to Israel.[118]
Leonard Susskind (1940–): American theoretical physicist; a founding father of superstring theory and professor of theoretical physics at Stanford University.[119]
Raymond Tallis (1946–): Leading British gerontologist, philosopher, poet, novelist and cultural critic.[120]
Frank J. Tipler (1947–): American mathematical physicist and professor at Tulane University.[121]
Gherman Titov (1935–2000): Soviet cosmonaut and the second human to orbit the Earth.[122]
Linus Torvalds (1969–): Finnish software engineer, creator of the Linux kernel.[123]
Alan Turing (1912–1954): English mathematician, logician, and cryptographer; often considered to be the father of modern computer science. The Turing Award, often recognized as the "Nobel Prize of computing", is named after him.[124][125]
Matthew Turner (died ca. 1789): chemist, surgeon, teacher and radical theologian, author of the first published work of avowed atheism in Britain (1782).[126][127]
J. Craig Venter (1946–): American biologist and entrepreneur, one of the first researchers to sequence the human genome, and in 2010 the first to create a cell with a synthetic genome.[128]
W. Grey Walter (1910–1977): American neurophysiologist famous for his work on brain waves, and robotician.[129]
James D. Watson (1928–): 1962-Nobel-laureate co-discover of the structure of DNA.[130][131]
Joseph Weber (1919–2000): American physicist, who gave the earliest public lecture on the principles behind the laser and the maser, and developed the first gravitational wave detectors (Weber bars).[132]
Steven Weinberg (1933–): American theoretical physicist. He won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979 for the unification of electromagnetism and the weak force into the electroweak force.[133][134][135]
David Sloan Wilson (1949–): American evolutionary biologist, son of Sloan Wilson, proponent of multilevel selection theory and author of several popular books on evolution.[136]
Lewis Wolpert CBE FRS FRSL (1929–): developmental biologist, author, and broadcaster.[137]
Steve Wozniak (1950–): co-founder of Apple Computer and inventor of the Apple I and Apple II.[138]
Elizur Wright (1804–1885): American mathematician and abolitionist, sometimes described as the "father of life insurance" for his pioneering work on actuarial tables.[139]
Will Wright (1960–): American computer game designer and co-founder of the game development company Maxis.[140]
Victor Weisskopf (1908–2002): Austrian-American theoretical physicist, co-founder and board member of the Union of Concerned Scientists.[141]

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Lynxblade said:
Hurrdurr I'm Lynxblade and I make shitty arguments

List of atheist authors and journalists:

and also:
[omitted text to keep nitpickers from having an anal parade with semantics]

That's like asking what accomplishments the disbelief in Thor has done for humanity.
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Bismarck.Pottheadjimmy said:
another religion topic.../sigh

when would ppl realize that it doesn't matter what you believe in or what color is you'r damn skin. we are generally the same inside with similar wants and needs.

personally, i sickens me that ppl are killing each other in the name of God, Allah or what ever you believe in.

It does matter though. The majority of the time, the people who have a finger on a button that can destroy the world are the kind of people who believe in an invisible man in the sky, that might on occasion talk to them and give them commands.

I don't know about you, but that scares the ***out of me.
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Holy Thread Batman! You guys stayed up that late talking about this? Just on an odd topic how many people posting in here have kids? (Just for my own knowledge)

Bismarck.Elanabelle said:

You had me all the way up to the last paragraph where you just bashed people who believe in religion after trying to stay impartial =/ Everything before that was great though. Also for my comment before I left work about taking offense to calling Religion believing in 'Magic.' I never said you can't call it that, only that I take offense in it. You assumed I said I don't want you saying it. I would get into my belief system about why I take offense but you'd just bash it as you don't believe in it anyway. As for 'atheism is not a belief system' I lol'd.

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be·lieve/biˈlēv/Verb
1. Accept (something) as true

Do you not accept it as true that there is no greater being that created us? This is a mild jump from this definition but still...

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a·the·ist
someone who denies the existence of god

So who thinks this will make it to 15 now? :o
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Siren.Inuyushi said:
Phoenix.Neosutra said:
Why is it "our opinion" to call someone who talks to an imaginary friend and believes in magic "crazy".

What's your definition of crazy?

Actually I don't believe in magic D: I take offense to you calling it that tbh. Also glad to know you dont have me blocked! :o
Magic is the claimed art of manipulating aspects of reality either by supernatural means or through knowledge of occult laws unknown to science.
Let's see.
water into wine?
parting the sea?
burning bush?
ummmmm pillars of salt.
resurrection?
reviving the dead.
all sound like magic to me without that tag line that jesus or god did it.

miracles ARE magic.
maybe not on the terms that you consider magic to be such as witch-craft and black magic/white magic all that.
but getting down to it.
trying to reproduce "miracles" is dubbed "magic"
and those practicing "magic" are trying to make "miracles" so to speak.
but that's all technological jargon.
miracles/magic do the same thing.
so they are the same thing.
when you add the notions of mysticism magic becomes something different but they are fundamentally the same past that.

EDIT:
and there is NOTHING wrong with an ATHEIST calling miracles "magic", they don't believe in magic in the same way they don't believe in miracles, and since magic and miracles are the same thing it would be silly to use more letters typing miracles than typing magic in the first place.

Just for those who are wondering, since INUYASHA
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@Vinvv, im not talking about single person accomplishments, im talking about atheist as a whole, and also you can list all of that stuff atheist have accomplished, but religion has still accomplished alot more
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