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Evolution?
By zahrah 2011-05-26 13:06:57
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: It's entirely possible to interpret the Bible as a metaphor of creation, and still believe in the Big Bang and the gradual evolution of the universe and life as we know it.
That's actually the Catholic Church's official position on the matter.
A complete denial of the overwhelming scientific proof of evolution is a uniquely American protestant (and Islamic fundmentalist) phenomenon.
The problem doesn't arise from people's beliefs. You are complete entitled to believe the world was created on the back of a turtle supported by white elephants if you want (as hundreds of millions of people in the world do). It's no sweat off my back.
The problem arises when people aren't content with their own beliefs, and try to hijack the political and educational systems to stop teaching or funding evolution -- a belief of which will be vitally important for our country to ever compete in the medical, geological, astrophysical, biological, and scientific fields of the future.
Thank you! You got to it before I did.
By zahrah 2011-05-26 13:09:20
Siren.Inuyushi said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: zahrah said: Why is it that people continually think that it's a never ending battle between creationism and evolution? People can have faith without denying evolution! /frustrated
Well... how? If you claim to have faith in creationism then you cannot claim to believe in evolution without denying what you claim to have faith in. If you believe in evolution then you cannot claim to have faith in creationism. They are in complete contradiction with one another.
I don't see how you can believe in both.
Since you guys are such Bible toting people, please tell me where it is stated in the Bible that we can't believe in a form of adaption (or evolution). We just don't believe in the fact that we were created via Evolution.
There you go assuming. And we all know what assuming does!!! LOL!
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-05-26 13:09:46
Ramuh.Urial said: Siren.Inuyushi said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: zahrah said: Why is it that people continually think that it's a never ending battle between creationism and evolution? People can have faith without denying evolution! /frustrated
Well... how? If you claim to have faith in creationism then you cannot claim to believe in evolution without denying what you claim to have faith in. If you believe in evolution then you cannot claim to have faith in creationism. They are in complete contradiction with one another.
I don't see how you can believe in both.
Since you guys are such Bible toting people, please tell me where it is stated in the Bible that we can't believe in a form of adaption (or evolution). We just don't believe in the fact that we were created via Evolution. Old testament. The book of Genesis. The Garden of Eden.
Have you actually read that in detail as much as you have your Evolution Theory? That states that God created man. It does not imply how he created him nor does it state that "God created man, and he shall forever more never be able to adapt to become stronger or immune to Germs!"
Please, if you're going to quote the good book, do it right.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-05-26 13:09:51
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Who are you to tell me what I have to believe and not believe?
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: The problem doesn't arise from people's beliefs. You are complete entitled to believe the world was created on the back of a turtle supported by white elephants if you want (as hundreds of millions of people in the world do). It's no sweat off my back. Are you not actually reading anything I write?
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-05-26 13:11:27
Siren.Inuyushi said: Ramuh.Urial said: Siren.Inuyushi said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: zahrah said: Why is it that people continually think that it's a never ending battle between creationism and evolution? People can have faith without denying evolution! /frustrated
Well... how? If you claim to have faith in creationism then you cannot claim to believe in evolution without denying what you claim to have faith in. If you believe in evolution then you cannot claim to have faith in creationism. They are in complete contradiction with one another.
I don't see how you can believe in both.
Since you guys are such Bible toting people, please tell me where it is stated in the Bible that we can't believe in a form of adaption (or evolution). We just don't believe in the fact that we were created via Evolution. Old testament. The book of Genesis. The Garden of Eden.
Have you actually read that in detail as much as you have your Evolution Theory? That states that God created man. It does not imply how he created him nor does it state that "God created man, and he shall forever more never be able to adapt to become stronger or immune to Germs!"
Please, if you're going to quote the good book, do it right. It's funny. You quote a book that has so many prints. I'm sure I could pull a different print and get you an entirely different quote.
Lol you're silly.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2011-05-26 13:12:26
guys everyone knows evolution is a theory
open your bible heathens
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2011-05-26 13:13:19
Siren.Inuyushi said: Ramuh.Urial said: Siren.Inuyushi said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: zahrah said: Why is it that people continually think that it's a never ending battle between creationism and evolution? People can have faith without denying evolution! /frustrated Well... how? If you claim to have faith in creationism then you cannot claim to believe in evolution without denying what you claim to have faith in. If you believe in evolution then you cannot claim to have faith in creationism. They are in complete contradiction with one another. I don't see how you can believe in both. Since you guys are such Bible toting people, please tell me where it is stated in the Bible that we can't believe in a form of adaption (or evolution). We just don't believe in the fact that we were created via Evolution. Old testament. The book of Genesis. The Garden of Eden. Have you actually read that in detail as much as you have your Evolution Theory? That states that God created man. It does not imply how he created him nor does it state that "God created man, and he shall forever more never be able to adapt to become stronger or immune to Germs!" Please, if you're going to quote the good book, do it right.
I can't believe you bought that lol.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-05-26 13:14:14
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Who are you to tell me what I have to believe and not believe?
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: The problem doesn't arise from people's beliefs. You are complete entitled to believe the world was created on the back of a turtle supported by white elephants if you want (as hundreds of millions of people in the world do). It's no sweat off my back. Are you not actually reading anything I write?
IT'S TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN!
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-05-26 13:14:17
Back to Derailing the Thread:
So what makes Pokemon so fun now? I played it way back but there are more fun games now in my world...
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By Asura.Ina 2011-05-26 13:14:58
zahrah said: Ramuh.Urial said: Actually to have faith would deny evolution going by the bible....just sayin'. Ramuh.Sagittario said: Well... how? If you claim to have faith in creationism then you cannot claim to believe in evolution without denying what you claim to have faith in. If you believe in evolution then you cannot claim to have faith in creationism. They are in complete contradiction with one another. I don't see how you can believe in both. I don't believe in creationism at all actually, but I still would like to think that there is a place we go when we die that is not just six feet underground. Yes, I understand that may be laughable and childish.
Personally I feel the same way... I beleive in evolution but like to think that something happens to our minds. Do I have any idea what? No way. I will find out someday so not in any real hurry... maybe it will just be oblivion, maybe I will come before some all powerful entity who will judge me (and I'm sure in my case s/he will send me to hell where its warm) or maybe it will be an endless mexican fiesta. In the end it`s nothing i`m gunna stress over, there is no way to know ahead of time and no way to avoid it.
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-05-26 13:14:59
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Ramuh.Urial said: The fact that is was written by one man who claims to be a prophet. You know what's funny, the Quran does not include the word "Prophet" in it at all; so like I said,
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: try not express your broken-understanding as a logical argument. Just gonna toss this out there.
What is Muhammad often refered to as....the prophet? right?
The fact that it was written by MAN is the issue. Do not twist or manipulate what I say to try to make your argument more valid. Is or is the Quran not written by a man who is a mortal in no fashion better than anyone else?
Answer me that question.
Don't call my understanding broken if you have to manipulate my words.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2011-05-26 13:15:05
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Who are you to tell me what I have to believe and not believe? Lakshmi.Jaerik said: The problem doesn't arise from people's beliefs. You are complete entitled to believe the world was created on the back of a turtle supported by white elephants if you want (as hundreds of millions of people in the world do). It's no sweat off my back. Are you not actually reading anything I write? This is what you are saying: It is okay to believe w/e you want and you can too. Then in the same paragraph say: But you still have to believe this too. So, again like I said: no I don't.
Are you reading the same thing the rest of us are Mabrook?
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By zahrah 2011-05-26 13:18:03
Siren.Inuyushi said: Back to Derailing the Thread:
So what makes Pokemon so fun now? I played it way back but there are more fun games now in my world...
No Pokemon please! I'd rather read something stimulating!
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2011-05-26 13:18:44
Siren.Inuyushi said: Back to Derailing the Thread:
So what makes Pokemon so fun now? I played it way back but there are more fun games now in my world...
Mostly nostalgia, but Black/White are actually pretty good. They have online random match-up battles and fun stuff like that. :<
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2011-05-26 13:18:59
zahrah said: Siren.Inuyushi said: Back to Derailing the Thread:
So what makes Pokemon so fun now? I played it way back but there are more fun games now in my world...
No Pokemon please! I'd rather read something stimulating!
oh, pokemon are stimulating
if you know what i mean ^_~
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-05-26 13:22:19
Hmmm, interesting. I think I'll pass. I like stuff like Halo, Gears of War, and Portal much better now :) They're more my play style. I'll stick to one Grind game at a time haha
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2011-05-26 13:22:53
Asura.Ina said: zahrah said: Ramuh.Urial said: Actually to have faith would deny evolution going by the bible....just sayin'. Ramuh.Sagittario said: Well... how? If you claim to have faith in creationism then you cannot claim to believe in evolution without denying what you claim to have faith in. If you believe in evolution then you cannot claim to have faith in creationism. They are in complete contradiction with one another. I don't see how you can believe in both. I don't believe in creationism at all actually, but I still would like to think that there is a place we go when we die that is not just six feet underground. Yes, I understand that may be laughable and childish. Personally I feel the same way... I beleive in evolution but like to think that something happens to our minds. Do I have any idea what? No way. I will find out someday so not in any real hurry... maybe it will just be oblivion, maybe I will come before some all powerful entity who will judge me (and I'm sure in my case s/he will send me to hell where its warm) or maybe it will be an endless mexican fiesta. In the end it`s nothing i`m gunna stress over, there is no way to know ahead of time and no way to avoid it.
You guys are going off in a completely different direction. I was not saying you cannot have faith in anything, hell I too have faith that there is something after death. I am saying that you cannot claim to believe in two theories or ideas that both claim the other is wrong.
If you were to continue with that approach into the new context regarding life after death, you would have to claim to have faith in an afterlife but also claim to believe that there is no life after death, which of course is a ridiculous standpoint because you are continually contradicting your own beliefs.
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By Asura.Chuuuuu 2011-05-26 13:22:54
pokemon time?!
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-05-26 13:26:31
Ramuh.Rowland said: Siren.Inuyushi said: Hmmm, interesting. I think I'll pass. I like stuff like Halo, Gears of War, and Portal much better now :) They're more my play style. I'll stick to one Grind game at a time haha Typical frat gamer /scoff
Frat gamer? o.o; I still own Pokemon Yellow, Red, Blu, Gold and Silver! I've just changed interests.... I've been playing since Regular Nintendo, does that count?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Vileplume 2011-05-26 13:27:14
/slight rerail
Before: Oddish
Midgardsormr->Quetzalcoatl World merge occurs (2010)
After: Vileplume
Evolution is real!
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By Leviathan.Novax 2011-05-26 13:28:11
Quetzalcoatl.Vileplume said: /slight rerail
Before: Oddish
Midgardsormr->Quetzalcoatl World merge occurs (2010)
After: Vileplume
Evolution is real!
You missed a step didn't you D:
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By Shiva.Xellith 2011-05-26 13:28:44
Lakshmi.Bshizzle said: This shouldn't really be a debate. Evolution is not proven, but there is no reason to not be on board with the scientific evidence.
Creation is religious *** that has no scientific ground to stand on.
evolution IS proven. Its FACT. Its as proven as if you drop a penny off the empire state building that its eventually gonna hit the ground... or someones head.
Remember though for those of you uninformed or just religiously ignorant.
Evolution has nothing to do with how life started. God could have created to universe (not saying he did) and started life but left evolution in check.
The creation of life is Abiogenisis
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2011-05-26 13:29:04
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: It's entirely possible to interpret the Bible as a metaphor of creation, and still believe in the Big Bang and the gradual evolution of the universe and life as we know it.
That's actually the Catholic Church's official position on the matter.
A complete denial of the overwhelming scientific proof of evolution is a uniquely American protestant (and Islamic fundmentalist) phenomenon.
The problem doesn't arise from people's beliefs. You are complete entitled to believe the world was created on the back of a turtle supported by white elephants if you want (as hundreds of millions of people in the world do). It's no sweat off my back.
The problem arises when people aren't content with their own beliefs, and try to hijack the political and educational systems to stop teaching or funding evolution -- a belief of which will be vitally important for our country to ever compete in the medical, geological, astrophysical, biological, and scientific fields of the future.
It is also completely irrational that everyone who believes in creationism is trying to take the above mentioned out of schools.
As I said in a different thread, it is the radicals from both sides that make us all feel like we are against each other.
My girlfriend bought me the newest Dawkins book as a birthday gift and I'm about 140 pages in so far and its very engaging. The argument for evolution seems as solid as ever and I was wondering what FFXI players think on the subject.
Do you guys believe it? No? Creationist? Young-earth or Old-earth?
Discuss.

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