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 Caitsith.Markus
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By Caitsith.Markus 2011-05-26 11:05:28
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
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Yes, Evolution is a fact.
While I believe in evolution, it's called a theory for a reason. It's not in any way shape or form a fact.

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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-05-26 11:18:22
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
I don't believe in evolution.

I don't care to debate. I just wanted to stop by and toss a question at you ever so educated people.

If everyone came from the same pool of DNA/Oooze/whatever, where did the sexes come from? How did two completely different organisms evolve from the same thing and need each other to reproduce?

I'll just leave it at that. No need for detail because Im sure someone will come along and leave me a paragraph to read regardless of the level of detail I put into this.

Valefor.Slipispsycho said:
This is just my opinion, but if you think the Earth is only a few thousand years old, you're intelligence-impaired. Similar if you disbelieve in evolution..

Where's that pic of someone saying evolution can't be real because they saw the monkies in a zoo, and they didn't evolve into people..

Even creationists have thier own duds. I am a creationist and I know the earth is way older than a couple thousand. No one knows how old the Earth is. There are only Theories, like the Theory of Evolution =D

Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
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Yes, Evolution is a fact.
While I believe in evolution, it's called a theory for a reason. It's not in any way shape or form a fact.

QFT. That was so perfectly said by Tiger, I had to quote that.
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By Odin.Liela 2011-05-26 11:35:16
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Siren.Inuyushi said:


I don't care to debate. I just wanted to stop by and toss a question at you ever so educated people.

If everyone came from the same pool of DNA/Oooze/whatever, where did the sexes come from? How did two completely different organisms evolve from the same thing and need each other to reproduce?

I'll just leave it at that. No need for detail because Im sure someone will come along and leave me a paragraph to read regardless of the level of detail I put into this.



A quick and simple google search popped up a few discussions on your question:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=13149

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome

http://www.amazon.com/evolutionists-explain-evolution-male-female/forum/Fx1B7ZZXEGB1Y39/TxI5SBN4TDIWGX/1?_encoding=UTF8&asin=055277524X

None of these are scholarly sources, but if you truly felt the need you could find scholarly sources yourself.
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-05-26 11:37:05
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Odin.Liela said:
Siren.Inuyushi said:


I don't care to debate. I just wanted to stop by and toss a question at you ever so educated people.

If everyone came from the same pool of DNA/Oooze/whatever, where did the sexes come from? How did two completely different organisms evolve from the same thing and need each other to reproduce?

I'll just leave it at that. No need for detail because Im sure someone will come along and leave me a paragraph to read regardless of the level of detail I put into this.



A quick and simple google search popped up a few discussions on your question:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=13149

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome

http://www.amazon.com/evolutionists-explain-evolution-male-female/forum/Fx1B7ZZXEGB1Y39/TxI5SBN4TDIWGX/1?_encoding=UTF8&asin=055277524X

None of these are scholarly sources, but if you truly felt the need you could find scholarly sources yourself.

Oh joy, reading material. No thanks. I didn't say I felt the need just tossing another topic out there. kthnxbye
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By Odin.Liela 2011-05-26 11:40:31
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:-( I'm confused. If you didn't want an answer, why ask the question?

Anyhow, no matter. Very fascinating video, Markus! Having two or more meanings for the same word is a very common thing, but I kind of wish it wasn't so prevalent. It must make it very difficult for people to learn English.
 
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-05-26 11:42:49
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Do I believe in evolotion?

Did the piggy say "wee wee wee" all the way home?
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-05-26 11:43:05
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I wanted an answer from you, not from Google lol.

It was nice to clarify the word Theory, but in the video he said that Theories can be wrong. That to me says that a Theory =/= Fact. Facts are unchangables. Theory is a collection of facts, sure. Theories try to explain how and why something is the way it is. But Theory =/= Fact.

Here, let me even add Scientific Theory =/= Fact.
 
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2011-05-26 11:48:58
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said:
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Theory is a collection of facts, sure.
You mean the other way around lol.

So Facts are a Collection of Theories? So you're telling me it's just a theory that things fall because there is a force pulling object closer to the ground?

Edit: In the video he said that verbatim - "Theories are a collection of Facts..."
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-05-26 11:51:00
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Proof of evolution:
We've all seen it.

take humans, for instance

first we're allthen we're all and then we're all likenow we're all likeand in a few years we'll all be
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2011-05-26 11:53:35
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Oh noes! Imma be a toothless hillbilly!
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-05-26 11:59:49
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@Nevill
Hell yeah!

@Mabrook lol not really, but looking at the definition of Evolution on both Wiki
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Evolution (also known as biological or organic evolution) is the change over time in one or more inherited traits found in populations of organisms.[1] Inherited traits are particular distinguishing characteristics, including anatomical, biochemical or behavioural characteristics, that are passed on from one generation to the next.
and dictionary.com
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ev·o·lu·tion
–noun
any process of formation or growth; development: the evolution of a language; the evolution of the airplane.
What I posted can be seen as Evolution.
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By Asura.Solara 2011-05-26 12:02:22
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Siren.Inuyushi said:

Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Cerberus.Brurion said:
Yes, Evolution is a fact.
While I believe in evolution, it's called a theory for a reason. It's not in any way shape or form a fact.

QFT. That was so perfectly said by Tiger, I had to quote that.

"Evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

Siren.Inuyushi said:
Oh joy, reading material. No thanks. I didn't say I felt the need just tossing another topic out there. kthnxbye

There are better ways to pad your post count than ask questions with easy answers that you don't want to hear.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-05-26 12:04:17
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You evolved into an Adult tho =P
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By Cerberus.Tyler 2011-05-26 12:06:17
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said:
Asura.Solara said:
humans evolved from ape-like ancestors
How come we're not immune to STDs tho?

STDs evolve too.
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By Kujata.Daus 2011-05-26 12:09:14
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Odin.Liela said:
I was raised as a creationist and believed in it for many years. When my high school forced my parents to allow my sister and I to take a basic biology class, we learned new things. Like evolution.

Now, I've never read the book and I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the theory, because I simply don't. But here's how my old biology teacher explained it to me: Suppose a million years ago, you had two giraffes. Suppose one of the giraffes had a shorter neck, and one had a mutation-- a longer neck. Since the food that giraffes eat is higher off the ground, the longer-necked giraffe is the one who will survive longest-- or if the food giraffes ate back then was low to the ground, but scarce, same thing. The short-necked giraffe won't be able to get as much food and will therefore be weaker. Since the long-neck giraffe survived longer, he impregnated more female giraffes than the short-necked giraffe. Since the long-neck giraffe's offspring were more likely to also be long-necked, and since they in turn survived longer than their short-necked peers, they spread more long-necked genes. Eventually, only the long-necked giraffes were left. This is called Survival of the Fittest, and over thousands of years, it's called evolution.

That makes sense to me. It made much more sense than what I was originally taught, and it has much more supporting evidence than what I was originally taught. I believe the earth is old, and that evolution happened and is still happening. (But I probably will still never read the book. <.< >.>)

so funny because I had a science teacher who said the exact same thing...giraffes and all..might have been in a text book.

I always taught it with mice though. Say you had an isolated colony of white and brown spotted rats and you dumped them in the woodlands somewhere. The white may be a disadvantage because predators may see them easier, so those who are mostly white may die off faster than those who are mostly brown. Because the mostly brown rats have better camouflage they breed more and overtime you may end up with a new species of only brown rats.

its natural selection, yay.
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By Sylph.Maruraba 2011-05-26 12:11:08
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said:
But just to get technicalities out the way, I completely believe in evolution but I do not believe that one species can come from another.
Um... what?

As for Inuyushi, here's a non-google answer, though given your lack of interest I'm not sure why I'm bothering:

The origin of sexual reproduction and separate genders is not fully understood. There are several hypotheses, but no, we don't know everything. That doesn't negate evolutionary theory, though. In fact, the diversity of reproduction on this planet (asexual, hermaphroditic organisms, and different genders) supports the idea that life mutated, changed, and differentiated, branching out. Conversely, why would God create separate genders and sexual reproduction and then regulate the hell out of it with a ton of commandments about it specifically? Why not have everything reproduce asexually and have done with it?

As for it being a "theory," I'll let National Academy of Sciences sum it up:
NAS said:
The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence. Many scientific theories are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory), that matter is not composed of atoms, or that the surface of the Earth is not divided into solid plates that have moved over geological timescales (the theory of plate tectonics). One of the most useful properties of scientific theories is that they can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed.
If evolution was false, there would be evidence of it. Holes in our understanding of how things evolved does not mean that evolution as a whole is BS.

Look, evolution is easy to prove. Look at the fossil record. There are a lot of species that used to exist but do not exist now. A lot of species that exist now did not exist in the past. The logical conclusion is that newer forms of life came from previous ones. That's all evolution is, and there isn't a debate, because not a scrap of evidence has been found that proves otherwise.

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No one knows how old the Earth is.
/facepalm
4.2 billion. We know this. Look it up.
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By Bismarck.Pawnskipper 2011-05-26 12:26:19
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Evolution has plenty of evidence. If you feel that it dosnt, you are in denial. It's ok if you dont like to believe facts that are all over that planet and off the plant. I understand if you were raised to believe a certain thing. But if you as a child can cope with realizing that there is no Santa. I think you can be an adult and realize you aint special. Please dont try to come up with some random thought provoking question or fable that dosnt really awcknoledge the evidence that is plainly in your face.

If the idea, that you as a human being, are only a part of a cycle that will go on with or without you makes you feel not so special, then whoopty-f'n-doo. Get over it!

There is more evidence for evolotion than any other theory out there. Also, there are facts that back evoloution. And dont get me started on lolintelligent design and creationalists.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-05-26 12:28:11
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The theory of evolution has as much evidence in support of it at this point as the germ theory of disease, the theory of relativity, or similar.

To deny evolution at this point is quite analogous to believing that sicknesses are still caused by unfavorable miasmas.

You're allowed to believe whatever you want. I respect that. But you don't get to reap the benefits of our understanding of evolution -- of which nearly all modern medicine and biology is based -- while attempting to limit or remove education or research towards it.
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-05-26 12:35:19
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Cerberus.Brurion said:
Yes, Evolution is a fact.
While I believe in evolution, it's called a theory for a reason. It's not in any way shape or form a fact.

That's true. Evolution is a theory. A widely-respected and well-established theory. That means there is room, at least for now, for other possible explanations about the origins of humans.

However, "creationism" is NOT a theory. It's a myth. Folklore. A fantasy.
That's nowhere even close to a legitimate theory.

So, I'll entertain a debate of Evolution versus (insert new hypothesis here), but there is no "debate" between Evolution and "creationism". That would be an apples to oranges comparison, and the bad apple is "creationism".


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If everyone came from the same pool of DNA/Oooze/whatever, where did the sexes come from?


There are several rational competing theories about the evolution of sexual reproduction. You can look it up on your own time. In short, somewhere between the primordial ooze and modern animals, some ancient organism developed the ability to reproduce sexually. Like any mutation, it was a random occurrence (not unlike developing arms ... or lungs, or eyes). Then, at some later date, this ancient organism faced circumstances (habitat change, climate change, population overgrowth, disease, etc.) where it became more advantageous to reproduce sexually, rather than asexually. It's really as simple as that.
If you're skeptical, perhaps you could investigate animals that still exist today that can reproduce either sexually or asexually, depending on the animal's circumstances:
Aphids
Sea Anemones
Starfish
Komodo Dragons
Hammerhead Sharks


Siren.Inuyushi said:

I am a creationist.

I'm sorry to hear that.

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QFT. That was so perfectly said by Tiger, I had to quote that.

No. No, not really. Like most things Tigerwoods says, it was far from perfect. See above.
 
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-05-26 12:38:03
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said:
People create theories for things they do not understand, but that still does not make it fact or true regardless of how much emphasis you imply on the subject.
Under that assumption, you should be more than willing to leap off a tall building right now. Because after all, gravity is still just a theory.

The case for evolution is just as strong and just as accepted.
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By Bismarck.Luftig 2011-05-26 12:41:20
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unfavorable miasma? WHERE?


Evolution has holes and until skeptics can draw a line from organism A and homo sapiens, there will always be creation stories.


Few of my favorites are the "Galatic Federation of Light" which claims earth is 626 billion years old and we're all offspring of people from the Pleiades's star cluster.

Or another is that we're being controlled by a race of lizard people called the "Anununaki" and they cause war, famine, poverty to create negativity which they feed on as if it was fuel.

Most seem to deal with beings who don't vibrate on our frequency level, therefore we can't see them in their true form. It makes for great reading if you're into sci fi.
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-05-26 12:41:28
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said:
Please don't imply I'm an idiot, Jaerik.

I place respect in my posts above all and I would appreciate the same from others.
Sorry but to deny the obvious signs that evolution in real kinda makes you come across as one.
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