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Brown belt or Twilight belt?
Phoenix.Valefar
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By Phoenix.Valefar 2011-05-07 18:07:26
I'm seriously wondering if the 1% haste & the 5 str from BB are beaten by 2% DA, any mathematically-oriented people able to help me out here?
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-05-07 18:10:31
Depends if haste is already capped or not
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-05-07 18:16:16
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By Bahamut.Wakabo 2011-05-07 18:18:04
Leviathan.Draylo said: Black belt
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By Pandemonium.Scrumpet 2011-05-07 18:18:55
Leviathan.Draylo said: Black belt
You are such a troll.
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2011-05-07 18:27:12
Leviathan.Draylo said: Purple belt
FTFY
:)
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By Bahamut.Wakabo 2011-05-07 18:31:14
Leviathan.Catnipthief said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Purple belt
FTFY
:)
White belt.
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2011-05-07 18:33:30
Bahamut.Wakabo said: Leviathan.Catnipthief said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Purple belt
FTFY
:)
White belt.
OH MAN :/ I forgot about that!
Yes that one, it's the best, I promise.
Gilgamesh.Galmaximas
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By Gilgamesh.Galmaximas 2011-05-08 09:35:05
Leviathan.Draylo said: Black belt
what he said if your 70+ on MNK and not using a blackbelt something is wrong.
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By Shiva.Khimaira 2011-05-08 09:51:02
Gilgamesh.Galmaximas said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Black belt
what he said if your 70+ on MNK and not using a blackbelt something is wrong.
Not exactly... Black Belt is still annoying as hell to get if you don't have a mule and/or time stamp. Now more than ever, Black Belt isn't necessary, due to the sheer ease of capping haste without it. Don't get me wrong, it's still nice... but nothing to cry over if someone doesn't have it.
@OP Brown Belt, unless you're capping Haste with the same gear with Twilight.
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By Asura.Jaybezz 2011-05-08 10:02:20
if u dont have black belt then stop leveling mnk at 70 unless u will go in2 the "purple shitkid mnk" section or worse.... the "lol brown belt emp shitkid" section....
both r horrible places 2 be in
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By Odin.Spccdog 2011-05-08 10:26:33
work towards a black belt, dont settle for brown or quit mnk
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By Carbuncle.Blazer 2011-05-08 10:35:45
twilight if haste cap, brown if not.
if you don't have the means, don't stress black belt. yeah, it's the best, but seriously you can do everything just fine in abyssea without it.
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By Gilgamesh.Galmaximas 2011-05-08 10:40:13
Shiva.Khimaira said: Gilgamesh.Galmaximas said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Black belt
what he said if your 70+ on MNK and not using a blackbelt something is wrong.
Not exactly... Black Belt is still annoying as hell to get if you don't have a mule and/or time stamp. Now more than ever, Black Belt isn't necessary, due to the sheer ease of capping haste without it. Don't get me wrong, it's still nice... but nothing to cry over if someone doesn't have it.
@OP Brown Belt, unless you're capping Haste with the same gear with Twilight.
Quit the job if your not gonna put in the effort to get the best TP belt for monk the only reason MNKs have other haste options is due to abyssea af3+2 before that other belts weren't even an option 70+ unless you wanted to be gimp.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-05-08 10:44:41
Carbuncle.Blazer said: twilight if haste cap, brown if not.
if you don't have the means, don't stress black belt. yeah, it's the best, but seriously you can do everything just fine in abyssea without it.
sigh :/ the caliber of players these days.
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By Gilgamesh.Galmaximas 2011-05-08 10:48:00
Leviathan.Draylo said:
sigh :/ the caliber of players these days.
My point exactly but your gonna be called a troll for saying this.
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By Carbuncle.Blazer 2011-05-08 10:49:35
Gilgamesh.Galmaximas said: Leviathan.Draylo said:
sigh :/ the caliber of players these days.
My point exactly but your gonna be called a troll for saying this.
Really?
I tanked everything, everything, in abyssea just fine with my brown belt while I waited on that stupid turtle egg. You just need the right atmas and healers with the right atmas.
By seiri 2011-05-08 10:52:18
Leviathan.Draylo said: Carbuncle.Blazer said: twilight if haste cap, brown if not.
if you don't have the means, don't stress black belt. yeah, it's the best, but seriously you can do everything just fine in abyssea without it.
sigh :/ the caliber of players these days.
This.
MNK isnt like the old SAM bandwagon. Unlike SAM which was fairly easy to gear up to an acceptable standard via AH purchase and some mild NM camping, MNK requires a lot of effort or it remains a fairly weak job in all respects. If you want to play MNK, even if it isn't your main, get Black Belt. What people say about it being the best TP belt is absolutely true, but its also the best tanking belt by so far its unbelievable - and considering tank or solo MNK is 'the' role for MNK now, i'd say this is very relevant.
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Gilgamesh.Galmaximas
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By Gilgamesh.Galmaximas 2011-05-08 10:52:19
Carbuncle.Blazer said: Gilgamesh.Galmaximas said: Leviathan.Draylo said:
sigh :/ the caliber of players these days.
My point exactly but your gonna be called a troll for saying this.
Really?
I tanked everything, everything, in abyssea just fine with my brown belt while I waited on that stupid turtle egg. You just need the right atmas and healers with the right atmas.
considering WHMs have unlimited MP in abyssea I don't see what any form of haste will do for you other then allow you to atk faster which means means more ws which means faster capping and recapping on VE especially when MNKs tank /WAR counterstance/blood tank style so whats this have to do with you being too lazy to #`1 do KS99 for blackbelt items or #2 camp kings for them?
P.S Blackbelt also provides PDT- 5% so you'd be "TANKING" better inside abyssea with one.In closing get a blackbelt.
By seiri 2011-05-08 10:55:20
Carbuncle.Blazer said: Gilgamesh.Galmaximas said: Leviathan.Draylo said:
sigh :/ the caliber of players these days.
My point exactly but your gonna be called a troll for saying this.
Really?
I tanked everything, everything, in abyssea just fine with my brown belt while I waited on that stupid turtle egg. You just need the right atmas and healers with the right atmas.
Several important points here.
1: you were working on black, thus proving you were willing to put the effort into the job.
2: your other gear suggests a decent amount of effort has gone into MNK, thus keeping you away from the 'lolpinkmnk' or 'lolbrownbeltempymnk' sections.
3: OP was comparing brown to twilight without saying he/she was aiming for black. No real excuse for the lack of effort when playin mnk.
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Carbuncle.Blazer
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By Carbuncle.Blazer 2011-05-08 10:57:26
Gilgamesh.Galmaximas said: Carbuncle.Blazer said: Gilgamesh.Galmaximas said: Leviathan.Draylo said:
sigh :/ the caliber of players these days.
My point exactly but your gonna be called a troll for saying this.
Really?
I tanked everything, everything, in abyssea just fine with my brown belt while I waited on that stupid turtle egg. You just need the right atmas and healers with the right atmas.
considering WHMs have unlimited MP in abyssea I don't see what any form of haste will do you especially when MNKs tank /WAR counterstance/blood tank style so whats this have to do with you being too lazy to #`1 do KS99 for blackbelt items or #2 camp kings for them?
I didn't say it had anything to do with being lazy. I merely mentioned that if he did not have the means not to stress about it. If he waits a good week he'll have no problem getting the items.
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By Bismarck.Moonlightespada 2011-05-08 11:04:48
You will need brown belt tO do quest for black anyways (on got off AH won't count cuz you need brown quest finished) so just work in brown and don't be lazy like alot of the lolgimpbandwafinMNK
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By Leviathan.Pimpchan 2011-05-08 11:26:57
Phoenix.Valefar said: I'm seriously wondering if the 1% haste & the 5 str from BB are beaten by 2% DA, any mathematically-oriented people able to help me out here?
2% DA does jack ***in abyssea seeing as you already have plenty of multiattack from apocalypse on top f other DA traits/gear to the point that 2% da is like 1% damage increase at best. 5 str on BB does nothing.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2011-05-08 11:37:52
No offense to "leet" monks but black belt is by no means necessary to accomplish anything in abyssea. If monk is not your main job, I don't see why it's necessary to have one. It's incredibly easy to cap haste nowadays, especially on monk, so the difference between brown and black is really quite small. Telling someone to quit the job because they don't have a black belt is pretty ridiculous.
Before anyone attacks me personally, I don't have monk leveled and I don't give a ***about it. I do give ***when players think they're super amazing because they have an item that the majority of players don't have, and then tell the rest of players to gtfo because they're not as good as them. Simmer down.
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By Ramuh.Bekisa 2011-05-08 11:50:50
Bismarck.Helel said: No offense to "leet" monks but black belt is by no means necessary to accomplish anything in abyssea. If monk is not your main job, I don't see why it's necessary to have one. It's incredibly easy to cap haste nowadays, especially on monk, so the difference between brown and black is really quite small. Telling someone to quit the job because they don't have a black belt is pretty ridiculous.
Correct but some one will still flame and cry. MNK must wear BB even if it gimps them overall depending on their other gear of course ... it's a rule they have for some reason.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-05-08 11:55:38
I doubt I'll ever bother getting a black belt.
It's mostly an e-peen piece these days.
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2011-05-08 11:57:45
as much as I still want to get a black belt, i've kind of given up on it unless I like get loads of gil :/
I'm seriously wondering if the 1% haste & the 5 str from BB are beaten by 2% DA, any mathematically-oriented people able to help me out here?
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