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By zahrah 2011-05-04 14:52:28
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Bismarck.Nevill said:
I think Refreshtwo is the anti-Starr.....

Forgive me, but huh? LOL!
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2011-05-04 14:55:37
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:

Saying that babies are atheists=over-statement.
They don't have a categorical description or a belief system, but attributing atheism to be what belief system infants fit into is sheer arrogance.

Just because the baby doesn't have a belief system, that doesn't mean that they subscribe to the atheist belief system.
They don't subscribe to anything because they are a damned infant lol.

The only true way to not submit your beliefs to others is to...remain silent on your beliefs essentially.
We are all trying to mold the world around us to something we want it to be, denying that you step on someone elses toes is silly and it's an unavoidable truth in the real world.
You can't make everyone happy.
But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't strive to make the lives of those around you better.
Take the good with the bad, all that stuff.
Couldn't agree more. The words written on that picture are nothing more than an utter hypocrisy.
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By Artemicion 2011-05-04 14:57:21
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God(s) have to be a known concept before one can take a position of accepting it in their system of belief or choosing not to.
Simple as that.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-05-04 15:05:41
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You can read atheist as two separate thing. Either:
A) non theist - someone who doesn't have a belief system of religion in place. Popularly called agnostic.
B)counter to theism - someone who believes that a system of religion is wrong and there is no higher power. Popularly, people known as Atheists.

Neither word is all the well defined. An agnostic can simply claim that a religious deity is unknowable, but they can take a more skeptical stance as well. While there are popularized polarizations of the groups, keep in mind there is a spectrum of belief in agnosticism and atheism, as there is a spectrum of belief in even subsets of religion.
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2011-05-04 15:17:09
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zahrah said:
Bismarck.Nevill said:
I think Refreshtwo is the anti-Starr.....

Forgive me, but huh? LOL!


Were you here when Starr posted all the time?
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By zahrah 2011-05-04 15:23:36
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Bismarck.Nevill said:
zahrah said:
Bismarck.Nevill said:
I think Refreshtwo is the anti-Starr.....

Forgive me, but huh? LOL!


Were you here when Starr posted all the time?

Nope. I guess not. Thanks for the clarification!
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-05-04 15:43:09
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
B)counter to theism - someone who believes that a system of religion is wrong and there is no higher power. Popularly, people known as Atheists.

You make it sound like being aetheist means you have to, not only refuse to have belief, but be zealous about religion being wrong. If that's correct then that is EXACTLY what bothers me about aetheists. I spent 90% of my life being "preached" to by zealous aetheists about how Christians are alway "preaching" to them. Are you kidding me? I've heard that religion caused every single war ever, rape, murder, suicide etc. The largest hypocrisy of a "radical aetheist" is when I'm told that people with religion are bigoted and close-minded or "look down on others of different faith or no-faith". The same people will proceed to tell me a week later how "you're weak if you have faith, it's just a crutch" or "people with religion are stupid and never grew out of having an imaginary friend".

/yawn
 
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-05-04 15:54:53
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Ragnarok.Ashman said:
Cerberus.Eugene said:
B)counter to theism - someone who believes that a system of religion is wrong and there is no higher power. Popularly, people known as Atheists.

You make it sound like being aetheist means you have to, not only refuse to have belief, but be zealous about religion being wrong. If that's correct then that is EXACTLY what bothers me about aetheists. I spent 90% of my life being "preached" to by zealous aetheists about how Christians are alway "preaching" to them. Are you kidding me? I've heard that religion caused every single war ever, rape, murder, suicide etc. The largest hypocrisy of a "radical aetheist" is when I'm told that people with religion are bigoted and close-minded or "look down on others of different faith or no-faith". The same people will proceed to tell me a week later how "you're weak if you have faith, it's just a crutch" or "people with religion are stupid and never grew out of having an imaginary friend".

/yawn

Not sure how you got that from that quote. I only made a comment on belief, not on how people act on that belief.

PS: just to clarify, the term is atheist.
I know people irl who are atheist who are obnoxious and spout about how you have to reject religion, and I know people irl who are religious and are trying to save my damned soul by bringing me into God's light. both are obnoxious. though neither account for 90% of my life.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-05-04 16:11:08
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
You can read atheist as two separate thing. Either:
A) non theist - someone who doesn't have a belief system of religion in place. Popularly called agnostic.
B)counter to theism - someone who believes that a system of religion is wrong and there is no higher power. Popularly, people known as Atheists.

Neither word is all the well defined. An agnostic can simply claim that a religious deity is unknowable, but they can take a more skeptical stance as well. While there are popularized polarizations of the groups, keep in mind there is a spectrum of belief in agnosticism and atheism, as there is a spectrum of belief in even subsets of religion.
I identify myself as a non-theist.
I just find it to be more appropriate for me because atheism is too much associated with militant atheism, which essentially is the opposite to the way I go about things. But that kind of ***is mainly for identifying my beliefs on for example a social networking site...almost never will you hear me utter the words non-theist in daily life lol.

Ragnarok.Ashman said:
Cerberus.Eugene said:
B)counter to theism - someone who believes that a system of religion is wrong and there is no higher power. Popularly, people known as Atheists.

You make it sound like being aetheist means you have to, not only refuse to have belief, but be zealous about religion being wrong. If that's correct then that is EXACTLY what bothers me about aetheists. I spent 90% of my life being "preached" to by zealous aetheists about how Christians are alway "preaching" to them. Are you kidding me? I've heard that religion caused every single war ever, rape, murder, suicide etc. The largest hypocrisy of a "radical aetheist" is when I'm told that people with religion are bigoted and close-minded or "look down on others of different faith or no-faith". The same people will proceed to tell me a week later how "you're weak if you have faith, it's just a crutch" or "people with religion are stupid and never grew out of having an imaginary friend".

/yawn
I enjoy that extra e you through in ætheist, not joking at all.
good old dipthongs.
or are you doing it because you are the ashman?
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as a letter of the Old English Latin alphabet, it was called æsc ("ash tree") after the Anglo-Saxon futhorc rune
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-05-04 16:15:50
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Perhaps we should be pronouncing it æshman
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-05-04 16:17:34
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
Perhaps we should be pronouncing it æshman
or just æman
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-05-04 16:23:33
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Sorry, Scandinavian ancestry and all.

Cerberus.Eugene said:
Perhaps we should be pronouncing it æshman



Oh God... Dat SRS face.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-05-04 16:25:30
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Ragnarok.Ashman said:
Sorry, Scandinavian ancestry and all.
You don't have to apologize. I think I might emulate it.
That's how revolutions in language begin!

aetheist could be defined as an atheist who behaves very satirically in conversations.
bingo!
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By zahrah 2011-05-04 18:28:08
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Bahamut.Refreshtwo said:
um thats what im doing
As atheist i im more open minded i do have any racialism or sexism or hate.

I like progress i do not think that believing in what deity you where tricked in to believing is progress.

jesus, allah, etc is what's in at the moment of a long list of deity's

I'm going to ignore all of the basic punctuation, capitalization and grammatical mistakes for a second. Let's just assume English is not your primary language and move on...

So, I'm confused. You're giving yourself a big old pat on the back because you think your atheism makes you a more enlightened individual than other people? You also think you are less racist and less sexist because of your atheism? You mention hate, but seeing as though you continually harp on people of faith on this board, it's probably fair to say that you hate religion. In particular, Christianity and Islam, seeing as though you cite those two pretty often in your half-***ed rants.

I was raised in a Christian family, and when the time came, I gave up organized religion. I for one was never "tricked", nor do I think that anyone else was during their childhood. I don't think maliciously maligning religions because it doesn't suite your life-style is progress either.
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By Titan.Archeim 2011-05-05 10:38:03
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zahrah said:
Bahamut.Refreshtwo said:
um thats what im doing As atheist i im more open minded i do have any racialism or sexism or hate. I like progress i do not think that believing in what deity you where tricked in to believing is progress. jesus, allah, etc is what's in at the moment of a long list of deity's
I'm going to ignore all of the basic punctuation, capitalization and grammatical mistakes for a second. Let's just assume English is not your primary language and move on... So, I'm confused. You're giving yourself a big old pat on the back because you think your atheism makes you a more enlightened individual than other people? You also think you are less racist and less sexist because of your atheism? You mention hate, but seeing as though you continually harp on people of faith on this board, it's probably fair to say that you hate religion. In particular, Christianity and Islam, seeing as though you cite those two pretty often in your half-***ed rants. I was raised in a Christian family, and when the time came, I gave up organized religion. I for one was never "tricked", nor do I think that anyone else was during their childhood. I don't think maliciously maligning religions because it doesn't suite your life-style is progress either.

I never had to give up organized religion. Judaism in general isnt really organized, especially my branch :)

And i'm very disorganized :)

Except for my video game collection. Go figure.
 
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By Artemicion 2011-05-05 10:57:16
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said:
I like cheese.
OMG!
Me too!
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By Ragnarok.Tuvae 2011-05-05 11:02:11
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i wonder how many peoples blood pressure went up going over this thread and getting pissed off at other peoples opinions...
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By Artemicion 2011-05-05 11:06:04
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Ragnarok.Tuvae said:
i wonder how many peoples blood pressure went up going over this thread and getting pissed off at other peoples opinions...



Sucks for you Australia...
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-05-05 11:06:13
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zahrah said:
Bahamut.Refreshtwo said:
um thats what im doing
As atheist i im more open minded i do have any racialism or sexism or hate.

I like progress i do not think that believing in what deity you where tricked in to believing is progress.

jesus, allah, etc is what's in at the moment of a long list of deity's

I'm going to ignore all of the basic punctuation, capitalization and grammatical mistakes for a second. Let's just assume English is not your primary language and move on...

So, I'm confused. You're giving yourself a big old pat on the back because you think your atheism makes you a more enlightened individual than other people? You also think you are less racist and less sexist because of your atheism? You mention hate, but seeing as though you continually harp on people of faith on this board, it's probably fair to say that you hate religion. In particular, Christianity and Islam, seeing as though you cite those two pretty often in your half-***ed rants.

I was raised in a Christian family, and when the time came, I gave up organized religion. I for one was never "tricked", nor do I think that anyone else was during their childhood. I don't think maliciously maligning religions because it doesn't suite your life-style is progress either.
That seems like a generalization that you can't verify...
:/
I like to leave those out since we can only really speak for ourselves when it comes to stuff like that.
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By Artemicion 2011-05-05 11:10:32
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Artemicion said:
God(s) have to be a known concept before one can take a position of accepting it in their system of belief or choosing not to.
Simple as that.

As I've noted here before, it brings up another pressing issue:
The time at which people are exposed to the concept of a deity or religion in general is more often than not at a point where the mind is still developing and is still rather feeble and downright gullible if you will.
A child in general, probably wouldn't think twice about such an elaborate or grand concept as Christianity or anything promoting worship of a deity.
This is why I am somewhat disturbed when baptisms are performed on young children prior to having knowledge of what they're forcibly being involved in.

However, due to religious prominence amongst the general population, even if a parent was virtuous enough to let the mind develop before exposing such things, odds are someone else will show em before hand.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-05-05 11:14:00
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said:
It could be said in the same manner from both sides.
Pretty much.
Generalizations don't help your point when you are speaking on perspective and arguing against another generalization..at least that's how it's been from my experience lol.
 
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-05-05 11:19:39
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Lakshmi.Mabrook said:
It could be said in the same manner from both sides.
Pretty much.
Generalizations don't help your point when you are speaking on perspective and arguing against another generalization..at least that's how it's been from my experience lol.
Sorta like subjective-criticism and how every concept is false?
I get what you mean by the subjective criticism, but you kinda lost me on the every concept is false part, care to elaborate good sir?
 
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-05-05 11:29:11
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Artemicion said:
This is why I am somewhat disturbed when baptisms are performed on young children prior to having knowledge of what they're forcibly being involved in.

You make it sound like they're being fed urine and locked in a closet. They splash water and perfumed olive oil on an infants head. The denominations of Christianity that I am familiar with have a coming-of-age. In fact, Catholic's have a "ceremony" called Confirmation where the 14-18 year old teen's are asked to "confirm that they would like to become recognized members of the church". There is a large portion of the kids that actually do go through the process and then never show up again.

I fail to understand how people want to make it out that we brainwash our children into being church zombies when the Church absesses more members every year. We have church buildings closing by the 1000s everyday in the USA.

Lastly, (for Vinvv): aetheist.
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By Artemicion 2011-05-05 11:31:30
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Ragnarok.Ashman said:
Artemicion said:
This is why I am somewhat disturbed when baptisms are performed on young children prior to having knowledge of what they're forcibly being involved in.

You make it sound like they're being fed urine and locked in a closet. They splash water and perfumed olive oil on an infants head. The denominations of Christianity that I am familiar with have a coming-of-age. In fact, Catholic's have a "ceremony" called Confirmation where the 14-18 year old teen's are asked to "confirm that they would like to become recognized members of the church". There is a large portion of the kids that actually do go through the process and then never show up again.

I fail to understand how people want to make it out that we brainwash our children into being church zombies when the Church absesses more members every year. We have church buildings closing by the 1000s everyday in the USA.

Lastly, (for Vinvv): aetheist.

It's not the activity in of itself, but rather the principle of forced conceptuals into feeble minds. I speak only of individuals involved being of age 1-12 or so.
Also the churches closing by the masses has more to say about financial crisis more so than lack of involvement from relevant communities.
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