Ok Crafting Directions Confusion

lol sorry :<

*some random crafter getting lucky with HQ'ing scorp harnesses back in the day*

Random Person: "Hey, how are you HQ so much?"

Crafter: "Well you see I always face south when I use this crystal element, it seems to give me some luck."

*random person spreads information, it starts to become theorized that if you face this way you get more HQ's. Someone figures out if you split up the elements every 45 degrees you can make a map. People take it seriously an start using it religiously*




Yes I just made all that up, but I still follow the directions just in case... :x


btw...
That compass looks totally different than the ones I've seen. :P... heh

I remember reading that statement by SE on crafting. SE basically said, "We can't say yes, but we can't say no. Do whatever makes you feel right."

I'm like 100% HQ rate if I only synth in my moghouse doorway room.

Yea! I wish I could of found it when I made that post, was looking everywhere for it D:

I use the directions as laid out in the sky at night.

Wish I could find my old ginger/wizard cookie data from this. I was one of the only people on Ramuh who made cookies in 2004-06 for profit. I had well over 20,000 recorded synths with data kept on a spread sheet. Used a very badly written program similar to FFAssist that was all in Japanese that output your synth results to a text file in comma-separated format, and I imported that to Excel. I had damn near identical HQ, NQ, failure, and crit-failure rates in all days, directions, and moon phases. Only off by around 0.01 to 0.5% if I remember correctly.

I uploaded it to one of the old FFXI fan sites back in the day and people claimed I made it all up. It couldn't possibly be true because a few people did 10-20 synths and figured out facing SE was best for sushi. Now many years later people laugh at facing certain directions other than if it's for your own superstition. Still remember someone telling me they wanted a refund for materials when I synthed their sushi in the "wrong direction" ....

Now 6 years later I wonder why I was so stupid for making that spread sheet up !

On the offhand chance that I synth I always face the right way. Superstition and the 2 seconds it take to rotate the right way can't hurt can they?

What? Did 4chan stop giving out dubs again?

They only said that because they cannot locate the code used in crafting, lol.

You say it doesn't hurt, but maybe it does! Maybe what is actually "right" is the opposite of what you are doing, and what you are doing is actually hurting your HQ chances.

/thread.

Moon phase, day, whatever, it's placebo, period.

Craft in bulk, enjoy your white boxes.

*** necro :< Oh well, maybe one day they'll understand.

I wouldn't say it's all placebo, compass direction is highly debatable yes but like I said about a year ago when I made this thread someone looked into it with a sample size of about 300 and found results favouring moonphase and current day affecting the rate of HQs.

Honestly I wish I could a) find this study and b) I wish it had a bigger sample just to make the results more reliable.

True but if compass direction had any impact at all, the currently used directions would be the most logical just due to constellation locations, etc. I personally think there is no impact at all and if there is it's incredibly miniscule.

You're wasting time and effort looking up/memorizing and following such a system so yes, you are hurting yourself over time, however minor it may be.

In a more general sense, yes, superstitions are absolutely harmful. Look at Europe's Dark Ages for a particularly severe example, especially the medical practices of the time. Bloodletting alone likely killed millions, though it's obviously impossible to judge who would have lived or died had diseases been allowed to take their course instead of bleeding the patient to death. I realize that's a pretty severe example to draw parallels with, but the core issue is the same. It's not a healthy mindset to accept, let alone encourage.

Given that this information doesn't appear to have lasted within the community's memory, I'm rather skeptical as to whether the results were even statistically significant.

I feel like that's quite a bit of an understatement. Takes 5, maybe 10 minutes to memorize and 2 second to point in the right direction. True that is time that could be crafting and yes it does add up, but if you're the type of person to be so anal about those 2 seconds crafting then I would assume you would be so anal about it as to face the right directions. Just my opinion though.

As I said, the core issue is the same: superstitions as a whole are symptomatic of a disadvantageous belief system. It's a lifestyle choice that extends into how you approach gameplay. The game itself is trivial, the psychology behind your choice is not.

This only holds true if the directions are correct, for which there is no significant evidence. As it currently stands, the correct approach for such an anal crafter is to craft as they are rather than taking time to align themselves with a compass direction.

Sorry site unavailable, but this is an old post i made using copy/paste from the website.

Top is update by SE to correct and their wording of the problem.

2nd is a quote from some guy, not SE.

The SA bug makes sense, though. SA has long been known, and even described in game, to depend highly upon direction. In fact, there was another bug (too lazy to look) where for a short while you could even SA from the front of an enemy! That one didn't take long to do an emergency update for. That all makes the NW bug make a lot more sense - we already know there's direction info code right into the game element that's taking place.

Crafting, however, has no directional elements metnioned. Every idea of this sort is purely fan based, with no basis in-game or SE whatsoever. SE, while obscure, isn't THAT obscure. I feel confident in saying SE didn't code anything in, and any actual effect is a result of a bug, rather than an intention.

After tens of thousands of synths, I've never seen direction matter. The only things that do are raw skill, synth support, equipment bonuses and moghancements.

It's not really the time that matters (2 seconds doesn't matter) but I think rather the stress it adds. Following all the "rules" of rumors makes my head hurt, and hoping for a non-break or HQ or w/e is already awful enough as it is. I'm stressed enough as it is to worry about direction if I don't need to!

/sigh ok they existed but I just couldn't be bothered to search for it, anyway I found what I was refering to here

Day and Moon phase matters if you think it does not enjoy your lower hq rates. As far as direction I personally believe in it and I will always do it even if SE says it does not help because it sure does not hurt and it makes me happy to do it.

Se took the time to put the elements in the sky each at their own given direction according to a compass rose so obviously it is at minimum POSSIBLE. Yes they could be just colored dots in the night sky, but they can also be symbols for something more. As previously stated their are directional bugs and tweaks in the game so it is not that outlandish.

quote] You're wasting time and effort looking up/memorizing and following such a system so yes, you are hurting yourself over time, however minor it may be. In a more general sense, yes, superstitions are absolutely harmful. Look at Europe's Dark Ages for a particularly severe example, especially the medical practices of the time. Bloodletting alone likely killed millions, though it's obviously impossible to judge who would have lived or died had diseases been allowed to take their course instead of bleeding the patient to death. I realize that's a pretty severe example to draw parallels with, but the core issue is the same. It's not a healthy mindset to accept, let alone encourage.[/quote]

It's really not hard to memorize the system......

If that's all you took away from my post then I don't think we really have anything to say to each other.

Bleh, I was really hoping you didn't mean Eruntalon's data because that opens up an entirely different can of worms with his "HQ code" ***... I can only note that he performed less than 50 trials per test. Anything further would probably end up being biased.

I guess your right lol. Cause if the charts that hard to memorize for you then you wouldnt have anything to offer me.

Insert items into crafting menu -> hit OK -> done. All of the moon phase/day of the week/direction/stand on one foot/castrate yourself ***...

The Dev Team should release a video zooming in on the chatlog and 2houring with the corresponding day and direction in order to defeat Abso... I mean HQ synths.

I don't see how there is still direction / moon phase / day of the week confusion with crafting anymore.

I figured the introduction of the synergy furnace crushed all of those ideas. Unless you believe that synergy does not follow the crafting rules.

If you do, you can't honestly believe that the synergy furnace knows from which direction you push it's buttons.

wait a minute, you're supposed to face the directions with your character..... i've been doing it IRL this whole time.....