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By Seraph.Rafik 2011-03-15 14:00:53
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What? You dont know what Chernobyl is? Former USSR Nuclear Power Plant that went kaboom.


Also, 50 Japanese workers went inside the plant to try to cool down the reactors. Yeah the reactors with a ***load of radiation.
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2011-03-15 14:04:57
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Seraph.Rafik said:
What? You dont know what Chernobyl is? Former USSR Nuclear Power Plant that went kaboom.


Also, 50 Japanese workers went inside the plant to try to cool down the reactors. Yeah the reactors with a ***load of radiation.


I know good and well what and where Chernobyl is.

It's your comment that made absolutely no sense lol.


You can't really "learn" anything, natural disasters aren't something you can predict or stop, so something happening to the reactor was bound to happen no matter what, especially when something of the magnitude of Japan happens, no matter where you put it it's still pretty much ***.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2011-03-15 14:06:41
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Cerberus.Halfpint said:
the reactors survived the quake and there were not problems until the sea water rose OVER the seawall protecting the back up generators that were to cool the system and ruined them.

the thing that strikes me as being odd is that all 4 of the plants are in one area of the country . I can understand being close to the ocean but why so close together.

Japan has far more than 4 plants.
The plants in the area were not terribly far from the epicenter, and were relatively unprotected by geographical features from the tsunami.

There were six reactors listed as being at Fukushima Dai-ichi, and four more at Fukushima Daini.

More information.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-15 14:07:03
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Seraph.Rafik said:
What? You dont know what Chernobyl is? Former USSR Nuclear Power Plant that went kaboom.


Also, 50 Japanese workers went inside the plant to try to cool down the reactors. Yeah the reactors with a ***load of radiation.
The Chernobyl Accident is nothing like what happened in Japan.
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By Seraph.Rafik 2011-03-15 14:07:21
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Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
Seraph.Rafik said:
What? You dont know what Chernobyl is? Former USSR Nuclear Power Plant that went kaboom.


Also, 50 Japanese workers went inside the plant to try to cool down the reactors. Yeah the reactors with a ***load of radiation.


I know good and well what and where Chernobyl is.

It's your comment that made absolutely no sense lol.


You can't really "learn" anything, natural disasters aren't something you can predict or stop, so something happening to the reactor was bound to happen no matter what, especially when something of the magnitude of Japan happens, no matter where you put it it's still pretty much ***.


What cant you learn? How to cool down a nuclear reactor in a nuclear power plant when disaster strikes like in Chernobyl?
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-15 14:07:46
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Seraph.Rafik said:
Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
Seraph.Rafik said:
What? You dont know what Chernobyl is? Former USSR Nuclear Power Plant that went kaboom.


Also, 50 Japanese workers went inside the plant to try to cool down the reactors. Yeah the reactors with a ***load of radiation.


I know good and well what and where Chernobyl is.

It's your comment that made absolutely no sense lol.


You can't really "learn" anything, natural disasters aren't something you can predict or stop, so something happening to the reactor was bound to happen no matter what, especially when something of the magnitude of Japan happens, no matter where you put it it's still pretty much ***.


What cant you learn? How to cool down a nuclear reactor in a nuclear power plant when disaster strikes like in Chernobyl?
/facepalm
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By Seraph.Rafik 2011-03-15 14:09:00
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You guys do understand what the problem is now is cooling those reactors, right and not the tsunami or the earthquake? The spread of radiation from those reactors.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2011-03-15 14:09:53
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Seraph.Rafik said:
What? You dont know what Chernobyl is? Former USSR Nuclear Power Plant that went kaboom.


Also, 50 Japanese workers went inside the plant to try to cool down the reactors. Yeah the reactors with a ***load of radiation.


You do realize that going into the plant isn't the same thing as going into a reactor?

Do you realize what the difference is between what happened at Chernobyl, and what is currently going on?
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2011-03-15 14:11:31
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Seraph.Rafik said:
Leviathan.Catnipthief said:
Seraph.Rafik said:
What? You dont know what Chernobyl is? Former USSR Nuclear Power Plant that went kaboom.


Also, 50 Japanese workers went inside the plant to try to cool down the reactors. Yeah the reactors with a ***load of radiation.


I know good and well what and where Chernobyl is.

It's your comment that made absolutely no sense lol.


You can't really "learn" anything, natural disasters aren't something you can predict or stop, so something happening to the reactor was bound to happen no matter what, especially when something of the magnitude of Japan happens, no matter where you put it it's still pretty much ***.


What cant you learn? How to cool down a nuclear reactor in a nuclear power plant when disaster strikes like in Chernobyl?


Except for the fact that they did have a measure in place to do just that except that nasty thing called a Tsunami kinda messed that up.

Really now, at least research this stuff before saying they don't know what they're doing.

And before you go on spouting about location, I believe no matter where it was it still would have encountered problems.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-15 14:12:24
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You guys do understand what the problem is now is cooling those reactors, right and not the tsunami or the earthquake? The spread of radiation from those reactors.
You're saying that Japan should've learned something from Chernobyl, when Chernobyl was caused by a dumbass who pushed the reactor too hard to make it explode, ignoring the warnings the instruments were telling them.
What's going on now is Japan trying to control the reactor, and doing a damn good job at it.
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By Seraph.Rafik 2011-03-15 14:12:24
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Seraph.Rafik said:
What? You dont know what Chernobyl is? Former USSR Nuclear Power Plant that went kaboom.


Also, 50 Japanese workers went inside the plant to try to cool down the reactors. Yeah the reactors with a ***load of radiation.


You do realize that going into the plant isn't the same thing as going into a reactor?

Do you realize what the difference is between what happened at Chernobyl, and what is currently going on?

Do you realize what the radiation level in that area is now and the fact that those 50 people are the ones who were suppose to pour the seawater in those reactors?
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2011-03-15 14:14:13
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Seraph.Rafik said:
Bahamut.Milamber said:
Seraph.Rafik said:
What? You dont know what Chernobyl is? Former USSR Nuclear Power Plant that went kaboom.


Also, 50 Japanese workers went inside the plant to try to cool down the reactors. Yeah the reactors with a ***load of radiation.


You do realize that going into the plant isn't the same thing as going into a reactor?

Do you realize what the difference is between what happened at Chernobyl, and what is currently going on?

Do you realize what the radiation level in that area is now and the fact that those 50 people are the ones who were suppose to pour the seawater in those reactors?


No doubt they put their lives at risk doing that, but unless they actually stepped into the reactor then they should be relatively safe assuming the radiation in the plant isn't super bad.

But the fact that you referenced Chernobyl ... yeah this isn't even close to the scale of it... not even close.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2011-03-15 14:16:36
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Seraph.Rafik said:
Bahamut.Milamber said:
Seraph.Rafik said:
What? You dont know what Chernobyl is? Former USSR Nuclear Power Plant that went kaboom.


Also, 50 Japanese workers went inside the plant to try to cool down the reactors. Yeah the reactors with a ***load of radiation.


You do realize that going into the plant isn't the same thing as going into a reactor?

Do you realize what the difference is between what happened at Chernobyl, and what is currently going on?

Do you realize what the radiation level in that area is now and the fact that those 50 people are the ones who were suppose to pour the seawater in those reactors?

You realize they aren't using buckets?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 14:17:27
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Seraph.Rafik said:
Bahamut.Milamber said:
Seraph.Rafik said:
What? You dont know what Chernobyl is? Former USSR Nuclear Power Plant that went kaboom.


Also, 50 Japanese workers went inside the plant to try to cool down the reactors. Yeah the reactors with a ***load of radiation.


You do realize that going into the plant isn't the same thing as going into a reactor?

Do you realize what the difference is between what happened at Chernobyl, and what is currently going on?

Do you realize what the radiation level in that area is now and the fact that those 50 people are the ones who were suppose to pour the seawater in those reactors?
The highest radiation reading i heard was 400milliSv an hour.
It takes 1-2 SV to cause severe sickeness, 2-6 to cause ultra sever sickness with resulting death, and 6+ is very near instant death.
The reactor at Chernobyl at one point in time, was releasing 300SV an hour. not milli. full on SV
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-15 14:17:50
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Bahamut.Milamber said:
Seraph.Rafik said:
Bahamut.Milamber said:
Seraph.Rafik said:
What? You dont know what Chernobyl is? Former USSR Nuclear Power Plant that went kaboom.


Also, 50 Japanese workers went inside the plant to try to cool down the reactors. Yeah the reactors with a ***load of radiation.


You do realize that going into the plant isn't the same thing as going into a reactor?

Do you realize what the difference is between what happened at Chernobyl, and what is currently going on?

Do you realize what the radiation level in that area is now and the fact that those 50 people are the ones who were suppose to pour the seawater in those reactors?

You realize they aren't using buckets?
Am I horrible for laughing at the idea of many japanese (and Ukrainian thinking of Chernobyl) people taking buckets of water back and forth doing this?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 14:18:45
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Let me state this differently. This is NOTHING compared to Chernobyl.
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By Seraph.Rafik 2011-03-15 14:19:06
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Leviathan.Catnipthief said:


No doubt they put their lives at risk doing that, but unless they actually stepped into the reactor then they should be relatively safe assuming the radiation in the plant isn't super bad.

But the fact that you referenced Chernobyl ... yeah this isn't even close to the scale of it... not even close.


Where did I say it was the same? I was refering to the nuclear reactors and the fact that we still didnt learn how to properly cool them down when disaster strikes.

Nuclear meltdown occurs when a reactor loses its coolant. This is exactly what happened in the Chernobyl incident and the plant at Japan.
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Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said:
Let me state this differently. This is NOTHING compared to Chernobyl.
Like many of us stated before.
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Cerberus.Kalyna said:
Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said:
Let me state this differently. This is NOTHING compared to Chernobyl.
Like many of us stated before.
So many its hard to beleive people are still making comparisons.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 14:21:17
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Seraph.Rafik said:
Leviathan.Catnipthief said:


No doubt they put their lives at risk doing that, but unless they actually stepped into the reactor then they should be relatively safe assuming the radiation in the plant isn't super bad.

But the fact that you referenced Chernobyl ... yeah this isn't even close to the scale of it... not even close.


Where did I say it was the same? I was refering to the nuclear reactors and the fact that we still didnt learn how to properly cool them down when disaster strikes.

Nuclear meltdown occurs when a reactor loses its coolant. This is exactly what happened in the Chernobyl incident and the plant at Japan.
Funny thing is, these reactors were made before the Chernobyl accident...
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-15 14:21:37
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Seraph.Rafik said:
Leviathan.Catnipthief said:


No doubt they put their lives at risk doing that, but unless they actually stepped into the reactor then they should be relatively safe assuming the radiation in the plant isn't super bad.

But the fact that you referenced Chernobyl ... yeah this isn't even close to the scale of it... not even close.


Where did I say it was the same? I was refering to the nuclear reactors and the fact that we still didnt learn how to properly cool them down when disaster strikes.

Nuclear meltdown occurs when a reactor loses its coolant. This is exactly what happened in the Chernobyl incident and the plant at Japan.
No NO NO NON ONONONONONONONONONONO

Stop, just stop.

Seriously. Stop.

The Idiots who caused Chernobyl didn't *** try to use coolant. Chernobyl was an experiment gone bad. They pushed the reactor and they ignored the warnings that the reactor was overheating.
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2011-03-15 14:22:51
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Seraph.Rafik said:
Leviathan.Catnipthief said:


No doubt they put their lives at risk doing that, but unless they actually stepped into the reactor then they should be relatively safe assuming the radiation in the plant isn't super bad.

But the fact that you referenced Chernobyl ... yeah this isn't even close to the scale of it... not even close.


Where did I say it was the same? I was refering to the nuclear reactors and the fact that we still didnt learn how to properly cool them down when disaster strikes.

Nuclear meltdown occurs when a reactor loses its coolant. This is exactly what happened in the Chernobyl incident and the plant at Japan.


Chernobyl was caused cause some dumb idiot didn't know what he was doing.

This incident is nothing like it, at all.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-03-15 14:23:20
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For the love of god, it isn't like the end of Star Trek II down there.
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-03-15 14:24:21
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I cry on the star trek movie (forgot the name) when data die : :
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By Lakshmi.Dobbykk 2011-03-15 14:24:27
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I don't know about Japan itself for a backup plan. However I do know that Square Enix HQ should have back up generators for this situation.


Or am I the only one who actually thought about that? Even I have a generator to power my house. You would think with the resources SE HQ has, you would think they would have one as well.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-15 14:25:33
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Lakshmi.Dobbykk said:
I don't know about Japan itself for a backup plan. However I do know that Square Enix HQ should have back up generators for this situation.


Or am I the only one who actually thought about that? Even I have a generator to power my house. You would think with the resources SE HQ has, you would think they would have one as well.
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By Lakshmi.Dobbykk 2011-03-15 14:26:17
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I know. :(
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 14:26:35
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Lakshmi.Dobbykk said:
I don't know about Japan itself for a backup plan. However I do know that Square Enix HQ should have back up generators for this situation.


Or am I the only one who actually thought about that? Even I have a generator to power my house. You would think with the resources SE HQ has, you would think they would have one as well.
Even if they had one, energy and fuel are so scarce right now, they would be better off helping the community by giving the fuel or loaning the generators to a hospital or relief aid or something. They didn't shut down the servers because they had to, they did it because it was the right thing to do.
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2011-03-15 14:27:29
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Lakshmi.Dobbykk said:
I don't know about Japan itself for a backup plan. However I do know that Square Enix HQ should have back up generators for this situation.


Or am I the only one who actually thought about that? Even I have a generator to power my house. You would think with the resources SE HQ has, you would think they would have one as well.


As much as I wish ... even with generators I doubt it would run everything.
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