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What was Japan's Backup Plan?
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By Cerberus.Nostylin 2011-03-15 12:14:35
it doesn't have to. Just stop buying brands and watching tv.start making your own clothes. Plant your own foods. etc etc Rebel!
By Kano1012 2011-03-15 12:14:45
Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said: The US has 104 operating Nuclear power plants. No new nuclear power plants have been built since the 1979 three mile island event. They provide 20% of the nations electricity. The cost billions of dollars to build, but are VERY cheap to run, on a dollar to megawatt basis. If we were to demolish all of them every 10 years and rebuild, it would cost the owners and the federally backed loans somewhere in the 1.2 TRILLION dollars a decade. Go troll somewhere else.
when the us has a major nuclear issue. Everyone is gonna say when didnt we spend the money to make is safer.. Human Life or money . Which one is more important
By Kano1012 2011-03-15 12:16:04
Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said: Caitsith.Shiroi said: Kano1012 said: Easy dont build a nuclear plant on the coast when you know the region is prone to earthquakes. rofl Smart thinking but then the big cities would be closer to the shores and then more people would die to the tsunami. Or do you plan on building a powerplant in the middle of Tokyo? Hey that could make a theme park out of it, have a roller coaster go around the cooling towers, call it "The atomic Bullet!"
There alot more places they could be built away from the coast and cities
By Nabis 2011-03-15 12:16:42
it would be better to rebuild power plants every 5-10 years as long as the saftey of the poeple was 1st and cost 2nd.
could u care less about the people?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 12:17:02
Kano1012 said: Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said: The US has 104 operating Nuclear power plants. No new nuclear power plants have been built since the 1979 three mile island event. They provide 20% of the nations electricity. The cost billions of dollars to build, but are VERY cheap to run, on a dollar to megawatt basis. If we were to demolish all of them every 10 years and rebuild, it would cost the owners and the federally backed loans somewhere in the 1.2 TRILLION dollars a decade. Go troll somewhere else.
when the us has a major nuclear issue. Everyone is gonna say when didnt we spend the money to make is safer.. Human Life or money . Which one is more important According the the EPA, Human life is only about 6.9million dollars. So how much money do you save versus how many lives do you put at risk?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 12:19:02
No, it would not be better to rebuild every 10 years, because they would lose money. Why build something when you lose money on it? For fun? No. They would build coal power plants instead if that was a requirement, not because they are safer, but because the health impacts are harder to determine, that is all.
Nuclear power should be the future of our energy.
By Kano1012 2011-03-15 12:19:10
Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said: Kano1012 said: Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said: The US has 104 operating Nuclear power plants. No new nuclear power plants have been built since the 1979 three mile island event. They provide 20% of the nations electricity. The cost billions of dollars to build, but are VERY cheap to run, on a dollar to megawatt basis. If we were to demolish all of them every 10 years and rebuild, it would cost the owners and the federally backed loans somewhere in the 1.2 TRILLION dollars a decade. Go troll somewhere else. when the us has a major nuclear issue. Everyone is gonna say when didnt we spend the money to make is safer.. Human Life or money . Which one is more important According the the EPA, Human life is only about 6.9million dollars. So how much money do you save versus how many lives do you put at risk?
Bingo you hit the nail on the head. Humanity has completely flushed down the toilet..
By Nabis 2011-03-15 12:19:18
wow u are the reason this planet goes to ***. cost > life
when every life is worth more than anything on this planet u still refer to money being greater
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 12:20:32
Kano1012 said: Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said: Kano1012 said: Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said: The US has 104 operating Nuclear power plants. No new nuclear power plants have been built since the 1979 three mile island event. They provide 20% of the nations electricity. The cost billions of dollars to build, but are VERY cheap to run, on a dollar to megawatt basis. If we were to demolish all of them every 10 years and rebuild, it would cost the owners and the federally backed loans somewhere in the 1.2 TRILLION dollars a decade. Go troll somewhere else. when the us has a major nuclear issue. Everyone is gonna say when didnt we spend the money to make is safer.. Human Life or money . Which one is more important According the the EPA, Human life is only about 6.9million dollars. So how much money do you save versus how many lives do you put at risk?
Bingo you hit the nail on the head. Humanity has completely flushed down the toilet.. I dunno, that's a pretty big number. 200+ years ago life wasn't worth anything in many parts of the world, and people would sacrifice people for their own monetary gain without a second thought.
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By Kano1012 2011-03-15 12:21:35
Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said: Kano1012 said: Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said: Kano1012 said: Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said: The US has 104 operating Nuclear power plants. No new nuclear power plants have been built since the 1979 three mile island event. They provide 20% of the nations electricity. The cost billions of dollars to build, but are VERY cheap to run, on a dollar to megawatt basis. If we were to demolish all of them every 10 years and rebuild, it would cost the owners and the federally backed loans somewhere in the 1.2 TRILLION dollars a decade. Go troll somewhere else. when the us has a major nuclear issue. Everyone is gonna say when didnt we spend the money to make is safer.. Human Life or money . Which one is more important According the the EPA, Human life is only about 6.9million dollars. So how much money do you save versus how many lives do you put at risk? Bingo you hit the nail on the head. Humanity has completely flushed down the toilet.. I dunno, that's a pretty big number. 200+ years ago life wasn't worth anything in many parts of the world, and people would sacrifice people for their own monetary gain without a second thought.
Holy *** man you hear what your saying.. Hey *** it why not keep the trend going omg
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By Bahamut.Sico 2011-03-15 12:21:51
Kano1012 said: Easy dont build a nuclear plant on the coast when you know the region is prone to earthquakes. rofl
true, especially if u know that every 20 years there could be a horrible earthquake that may also cause a *** strong wave to blow away my nuclear plant, which will cost many many souls .....
serousliy idk there´s a way to stop such a natural power like a tsunami, but i could imagine there would have been some better and less dangerous places to built such a plant!
By Nabis 2011-03-15 12:22:58
people like that should be jailed for killing others. that is murder. there is no grey that ***is pure black and white to me. safety is all ways greater than cost. instead of people being protected we should fear our gov'ts in what they do and hope for the best.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 12:23:13
There is a difference between being a heartless *** and being a realist. The events in Japan have made me very sad, my heart feels for their loss, but that doesn't mean I need to go looking for someone to pin the blame on. "If only you cared more about life and less about your damn money this wouldn't have happened!!"
It doesn't work like that. There are many people that take advantage of others, but most use good faith when dealing with nuclear power plants, or other risk based institutions (read: everything) to do what they can. Did it ever occur to you that wasting money needlessly harms peoples lives too?
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-03-15 12:23:35
Nabis said: wow u are the reason this planet goes to ***. cost > life
when every life is worth more than anything on this planet u still refer to money being greater Fine. Then you pick up the $3000/month electricity bill that they would have to charge you for the kind of stuff you're demanding.
Beyond a certain point, the costs get so high that nobody gets electricity, including you.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 12:24:08
Kano1012 said: Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said: Kano1012 said: Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said: Kano1012 said: Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said: The US has 104 operating Nuclear power plants. No new nuclear power plants have been built since the 1979 three mile island event. They provide 20% of the nations electricity. The cost billions of dollars to build, but are VERY cheap to run, on a dollar to megawatt basis. If we were to demolish all of them every 10 years and rebuild, it would cost the owners and the federally backed loans somewhere in the 1.2 TRILLION dollars a decade. Go troll somewhere else. when the us has a major nuclear issue. Everyone is gonna say when didnt we spend the money to make is safer.. Human Life or money . Which one is more important According the the EPA, Human life is only about 6.9million dollars. So how much money do you save versus how many lives do you put at risk? Bingo you hit the nail on the head. Humanity has completely flushed down the toilet.. I dunno, that's a pretty big number. 200+ years ago life wasn't worth anything in many parts of the world, and people would sacrifice people for their own monetary gain without a second thought.
Holy *** man you hear what your saying.. Hey *** it why not keep the trend going omg Just because i talk about the past it does not mean I approve of it.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 12:25:23
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Nabis said: wow u are the reason this planet goes to ***. cost > life
when every life is worth more than anything on this planet u still refer to money being greater Fine. Then you pick up the $3000/month electricity bill that they would have to charge you for the kind of stuff you're demanding.
Beyond a certain point, the costs get so high that nobody gets electricity, including you. Exactly, no matter what you do you affect people in some way. Make an institution perfect and charge so much for the service that no one can afford it, and they must go without.
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By Kano1012 2011-03-15 12:26:32
Good thing about mistakes some people learn from them is all I can say.
By Nabis 2011-03-15 12:28:38
money shouldnt even exist. why does money exist to control us people wake up every day to pay bills and work hard for nothing. everything should be free. man should only be trying to better itself every day.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 12:28:39
Kano1012 said: Good thing about mistakes some people learn from them is all I can say. This is correct. Perhaps in the future they will have a different location for the plant, or perhaps tsunami proof backups in some sort of underground facility. This event was horrific and there was now way it could be planned for, but it can be learned from.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2011-03-15 12:31:35
Nabis said: by building 700 feet thick walls 100 feet high off the coast with gates to allow ships through like that shits hard Do you have any idea how much that would *** weigh? A one foot long segment of your 700 foot wide, 100 foot high wall could weigh somewhere around SEVEN THOUSAND TONS.
That would be putting something around 7200 psi per square inch on the ground, for your entire wall.
And you are talking about building them *OFF THE COAST*, in the water.
Do you have any concept of what that building such a wall would do, ecologically, physically, or economically?
You obviously have no effing clue what is involved. So please, just be quiet and put the pointy cap back on.
*Edit* Yes, I know psi stands for per square inch. I'm guessing the person I quoted didn't.
*Edit 2* *pound per square inch, /sigh
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-03-15 12:32:08
Is this a troll thread or a boredom thread?
By Ashaaman 2011-03-15 12:32:16
Nabis said: money shouldnt even exist. why does money exist to control us people wake up every day to pay bills and work hard for nothing. everything should be free. man should only be trying to better itself every day.
What would be the incentive to better ones self if anyone could go down and get anything they wanted for free? Hell, if no one worked, there would be no power, no safety regulators, no one to build the safety equipment, etc... It's a domino effects, and it just wouldn't work...
Sometimes I don't think before you post.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 12:32:18
Nabis said: money shouldnt even exist. why does money exist to control us people wake up every day to pay bills and work hard for nothing. everything should be free. man should only be trying to better itself every day. Money exists to represent worth. And while every human life is equally important, their contribution to society differs. There are very few people who have money for any reason that others decided they deserved it. The CEO's or large companies make so much because everyone they employ agrees they deserve that cut, and are fine with the cut they get, and the customers agree they deserve their money for the service or goods they provide.
Without money, and people relying on their own motivation to better their society, much less would be accomplished.
By Ashaaman 2011-03-15 12:32:38
Bismarck.Angeleus said: Is this a troll thread or a boredom thread?
Semi-serious but being trolled by Nabis
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 12:33:09
Bismarck.Angeleus said: Is this a troll thread or a boredom thread? It must be a troll thread. That's the only explanation for some of the ideas proposed here.
By Nabis 2011-03-15 12:35:03
Bahamut.Milamber said: Nabis said: by building 700 feet thick walls 100 feet high off the coast with gates to allow ships through like that shits hard Do you have any idea how much that would *** weigh? A one foot long segment of your 700 foot wide, 100 foot high wall could weigh somewhere around SEVEN THOUSAND TONS. That would be putting something around 7200 psi per square inch on the ground, for your entire wall. And you are talking about building them *OFF THE COAST*, in the water. Do you have any concept of what that building such a wall would do, ecologically, physically, or economically? You obviously have no effing clue what is involved. So please, just be quiet and put the pointy cap back on. *Edit* Yes, I know psi stands for per square inch. I'm guessing the person I quoted didn't. *Edit 2* *pound per square inch, /sigh
look up the wall being built around new orleans
By Nabis 2011-03-15 12:37:10
the only reason u guys think im trolling is because of the MONEY that it would take to build these structures and defense for our city's. when if it was ur family u would think difrent about it.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2011-03-15 12:37:42
Nabis said: Bahamut.Milamber said: Nabis said: by building 700 feet thick walls 100 feet high off the coast with gates to allow ships through like that shits hard Do you have any idea how much that would *** weigh? A one foot long segment of your 700 foot wide, 100 foot high wall could weigh somewhere around SEVEN THOUSAND TONS. That would be putting something around 7200 psi per square inch on the ground, for your entire wall. And you are talking about building them *OFF THE COAST*, in the water. Do you have any concept of what that building such a wall would do, ecologically, physically, or economically? You obviously have no effing clue what is involved. So please, just be quiet and put the pointy cap back on. *Edit* Yes, I know psi stands for per square inch. I'm guessing the person I quoted didn't. *Edit 2* *pound per square inch, /sigh
look up the wall being built around new orleans
No you? No, seriously. Go look it up, and post the stats for the wall. Provide your source. I'll wait.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 12:38:28
Nabis said: the only reason u guys think im trolling is because of the MONEY that it would take to build these structures and defense for our city's. when if it was ur family u would think difrent about it. No we think you're trolling because your ideas are STUPID.
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By Bismarck.Gloryseeker 2011-03-15 12:39:18
Our ancestors sinned. Now they are gone, [but] we have to take the punishment for their wickedness. Is this what your trying to get at Nabis? not saying that this wasnt a horrific event, it was. but all i hear outta both sides is blah blah blah I'm a dirty tramp. just live your lives already damn. because that that doesnt kill us only makes us stronger. incoming rate downs now!
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Japan had plans in place in case of earthquakes or tsunamis. What was japans plan for keep power to the nuclear power plants after a major earthquake or tsunamis so that the pumps could keep cooling the nuclear rods. Seems like right after all hell broke lose and they started dumping sea water in to cool them. I assume there number 1 priority ater a major event like this was to keep power to the plant and those pumps. Make me wonder if the united states is prepared to handle a nuclear event...
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