Final Fantasy VII Sucks

This is for different reasons, namely two of them:

1. They're coded and art'ed for Consoles, so it's actually the same console limitations that 'held back' FF7

2. Making a game that <5% of PC owners can even play is not a good way to get it sold. That's why Crysis 2 is hardly even a marginal graphical upgrade from Crysis (but far better optimized).

So what I've learned today: FFVII! Some of you love it, some of you hate it, and some of you think its ok.

oh yeah, totally.

This whole thread made me think of this which I haven't read in some time. I've never played the game so I can't say, but I find this particular debacle rather humorous.

Regarding FF7, the perfect timing was a result not of crafty planning but ***luck. Basically, FF7 was going to be a N64 game until Nintendo revealed that they'd be sticking with the smaller, more expensive cartridge format for the system. The PS1 also had a different target demographic than the world previously dominated by Nintendo and Sega, with mascots such as Crash Bandicoot trying to appeal to more people and make video games look "cool" and not just expensive toys. If they stuck with Nintendo not only would the game have had none of its extensive and incredibly value-adding FMV but none of the bandwagoners that came to join the party, adopt winning online aliases such as cloud399932 and xxXxxxXSephirothXxxxXxx, and write amputee porn fanfics. I suppose they wouldn't have made all that money too, though. Eh. At any rate, it all came down to a media format decision they had no part in. ***luck, like I said.

That's the main reason I imagine most people who are FF7 haters hate the game. It's not the game they're hating really, in and off itself, it's a combination of what the game did to the industry (that 4chan rant actually has a good deal of accuracy) and just generally despising the type of people who think it's the best thing since sex.

Your *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, the game is probably older than you... enough said.

Just quoting to note the deliciousness that is your post coming in right after Kongming's.

Best.

Oh God.

LoD.

WHY LAVITZ WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

One of my favorites, definitely. Meru's a beast.

Also, *** you Lloyd. *** you.

*** my life.

I'm gonna have to play LoD tomorrow.

(LoD) voice acting in PS1 CS.../knock knock SE...

This is epic. This is substance.

Not to sound like I have a hard on for Vincent but the dude had a shitty life in such a way I don't blame him for being down (I only say this cause I played FFVII: DoC.

Aside from the last point I'd have to agree. ( I don't know the OP too well.) I'm the latter of the group you mentioned. Before then I played a little Secret of Mana and some Dragon Quest but nothing like FFVII. That's when ***got real for me.

good, baby jesus sucks anyhow.

8 however is a pretty damn great game.

I was 18 when this game came out and now I am 32. Most of the posters on here are probably in their low to mid 20's. Most of you probably did not even play it when the game came out and by reading the whole post have not mentioned any games that came out in 1997 that was comparable to FF7. We are bringing up bad story lines, but yet I cant think of a RPG that made me go ape ***over the story. I am big on gameplay and character growth so maybe my idea of a good storyline is not close to what you people are looking for. But every character had a back story and I enjoyed the plot. When Aeris died was the first time I was so pissed I was screaming at my television. I was shocked they killed a character off.

Lets think about this if you are 25 years old now that means you were 11 when 7 game out and I dont think a 11 year old can apreciate a game like that. That being said if you did play it you went back years later and compared it to new games out at that time.

For me I sold all my fighter and sport games after I played FF7 and I never looked back. And i did enjoy FF8 but I dont even remember the storyline.

I'm 24 (almost 25) and I enjoyed FF7, then again I didn't play it til 8 was almost out...

Super Mario RPG was my into to RPG's though :D

I enjoyed all the Final Fantasy Series but i think FFVII was my overall favourite. I think it might have something to do with it been the first one in the series I played.

FF7 was the best graphics when it first came out, storyline/game play will forever be the most importance for a game of any genre. Making something shiney with the hindrence of good gameplay and storyline like FF13 (Second worst FF game ever, FFX-2 is the worst) will be considered blasphemy (IMO: if opinions still exist on the interwebs)

Best part of FF8 was the Landing Mission on Dollet. Music was badass. then it goes down hill from there. :(

That's because...

srs spoilers, watch the vid (and the followup vid) first if you don't want srs spoiling

My first "serious" RPG was FF7. Prior to that, the only other RPG I've played was Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and a barely-working copy of Ultima III: Exodus' NES port. I only grew up with the genre in very small doses until I discovered emulation (and getting a job to actually buy games).

The latter always fascinated me as a child, even after playing FF7. While FF7 opened my eyes to just how cool RPGs can look, the simple ability to create your own characters and party in Ultima III resonated with me showing me how fun RPGs can play. From then, I always felt pretty damn biased towards games with even the smallest amount of customization and freedom. From the day I discovered emulation to catch up on titles I missed out on, I grew only more attached to the likes of Dragon Quest III and Wizardry 6-8 (and later SMT) where it's all about building your own party and occasionally letting you choose how the game plays out. Call it a bizarre preference, but when I have a chance to create and add an overweight gnome obsessed with darkness to my party over Troubled Bishonen #141 forcing his sob story down our throats, I'll take it. I only jumped on FFXI later simply because I thought at the time that the "red mages in the old games were really cool looking."

As for FF7... Final Fantasy has always been something of a overly dramatic and artsy adventure ever since they thought killing off every living person was a good idea in FF2. FF7 didn't really innovate in the realm of gameplay (the entire series is solid, the battle and growth systems of each game still holds up to this day) but further strengthened itself in telling the stories FF was famous for, where graphics and presentation actually can add a lot. A 4-disc game tends to leave you with a lot more time for character development. This isn't to say stories in past games like FF6 are automatically inferior, but FF7 took the level of presentation and went full throttle with it.


edit: holy ***tl;dr: FF7 was a pretty game and prettiness/presentation can be good for story-centric RPGs

That seems plausable...

Oh man, haven't read that in a while. Always loved reading the various interpretations of FFVIII.

Just to go back to what you wrote I was not making a statement about ANY GAME killing a character off i was just talking about Final fantasy and on top of that Fire Emblem was not as good as FF7 and graphics Blew and the dialogue was annoying.. Just my opinion.

Disagree so hard with that, I love every fire emblem I can think of > FF7

It was for the SNES, of course it looked like junk next to a PS1 title.

You talked about character attachment/death like it was a big deal (and don't get me wrong, it is). That's not a FF concept, it's a universal concept, and should be treated as such. Aeris' position in the scheme of FF is secondary to how her death plays out relative to other games in general when discussing such a topic unless your scope is severely and unnecessarily restricted. I raged way harder when I saw Sigurd and his men die than I did when Sephiroth ran Aeris through, but that's equally personal.

Really? So radiant dawn on the Wii was better than FF7 hmm ok
and how about shadow dragon on the Nintendo Ds or if you were alive to play the origonal version 1 from 1990? Or maybe you were a fan of the gamecube version that came out in 2005 path of radiance. The games were mostly Jp ports until the gamecube version which sucked balls. But at least if you are a fan of those games then I found someone older than me so thats cool.


And Night I was just talking about my personel experiance while playing that game and how i felt at that moment and not fully unlocking all her capabilities and that I couldnt go back because I did not save the game much and had put in a huge stretch when this happend. Sorry if I confused you or was not clear on that, their is no need to get all technical and smart on me I am trying to get a grade on this post just getting my opinion out.

Dude get over yourself. You can be a fan of a game and not have played it when it initially came out. I've played all the old Fire emblems on emulators and I enjoyed them all more than I enjoyed FF7.

And yes, even radiant dawn and shadow dragon.

On the subject of FE (FE4 mostly)...

I gotta say though, Radiant Dawn felt like a stinker in terms of content compared to Path of Radiance. Same with Shadow Dragon if you started off with the GBA ones and expected character development just as awesome.

The currently JP-onry New Mystery of the Emblem has the new create-a-character feature and return of support convos though... take a guess on how I feel about this one.