BYU Honor Code

love love love that state, and the Jazz games are fun to go to.

The only reason this honor code is being put under observation here is because the school (which is religious) stands by their rules more than your typical school. Most schools just care about athletics/making money (look at University of Florida who's football program alone has had 24 football players arrested since 2005) as opposed to teaching young people. Besides, pretty much all schools have a code of conduct, and some (like Notre Dame) even have this same no sex rule.

No tea or coffee on a college campus?!
Does that mean coca cola/red bull is "legal" because it is not specifically stated?

He signed the the statement but the school goes out of it's way to call it a "life guideline" and not a contract. In fact there doesn't seem to be a corresponding list that explains what exactly happens if you break the rules. There are "general" things listed:



I'm not a professor of contracual law (especially Utah law) but it seems to me if that code was legal the administrators would not then have students sign additional legal waivers when they think a student broke the code.

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Honor Code

Kinda in reference to this. Baylor University down here in Texas has a similar honor code(but it doesn't block caffeine as I think its Baptist based?) They can and will kick you out for sex, alcohol, ect... now if you stay out of the spot light they don't really care. I'm sure BYU has homosexuality against their honor code as Baylor does, simply aligning yourself as gay on facebook, can get you kicked out.
The problem with "honor codes" is ANYONE can tell on you and have you investigated. I had a friend, lets call her A, and she had a room mate, lets call her E. Well E was using A's computer to watch porn while having sex with her boyfriend in their dorm room. MAJOR honor code violation. A told her not to use her computer for porn or should wouldn't let her use her computer anymore. A only had a desktop, E had nothing, Baylor's expensive, and back then pc/laptops weren't cheap. Well after E refusing to have any kind of curiosity for A(E would have sex with her in the room) fact of life at college, but not when choose to go to a private university like this with rules against it. A gos to the RA and tells on E as she just can't take it anymore. Since E doesn't have a computer to check they can't check her's and allowing the RA to check her computer put herself at risk since its her computer it's ultimately her responsibility. Ultimately the college couldn't prove they where having sex or watching porn but they could see that porn was accessed on A's computer so A was put on probation for a semester, while 100% following the honor code(well she wasn't a virgin but wasn't sex either). E could have gone to the RA saying, the porn she would look up on A's computer was A's, if A ever pissed her off. They got split up shortly after this as A was very angry that her room mate was able to violate the honor code, mess up her computer, not forewarn her that E and her boyfriend are having sex so she would walk in on them, and get since it was her computer basically she was being blackmailed using the Honorcode by her room mate which was the one violating it.
As far as it goes its BYU I'm actually surprised they only suspended him from playing for a year, as Baylor WILL kick you out of the college for stuff like this. UNLESS you come forward, so most likely he was caught and was just trying to worsen the blow, or he just felt guilty about it, some people are that honest.

I didn't read the whole thread but just skimmed it... Didn't see anyone comment on this however, OSU didn't allow their players to play it was the NCAA who said they were cleared... While I realize this doesn't make stuff much better and maybe a more virtuous coach would bench them for the game anyway, at the same time as a coach your job and income depends on you winning so shooting yourself in the foot and suspending 5 players who the NCAA said could play seems kind of foolish even if it was the "right" thing to do. IMO in this situation it was the NCAA being unethical because they wanted those players to play as to not hurt their ratings in one of their precious BCS games...

Wow, I didn't know Baylor was like this. . .
On a side note, -hi5-, Texas buddy!

I have a gay friend who goes to baylor law, unless you do something to agitate baylor they generally won't kick you out for this. His professor told him he could leave his facebook status as gay as long as he keeps gpa above 3.5, but he had to clean up his facebook to remove anything that 100% shows he is gay.
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Hell drive through the town there are several ex-gay ministerys billboards in wacko
And howdy fellow texan.on my phone and haven't got use to swype yet so ki forgot you said hi by the time I finished

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*** Mormons and their guidelines.

Oh wait. I was raised one.

Seriously being raised in that church you have some decent morals but it isn't mean for everyone.

Guess he wasn't wearing his magic underwear... or maybe now they are magical that he has finally experienced what college is all about... banging.

Don't need religion for morals!

lol

Dont do the crime if you cant do the time

I thought Utah was great when I was growing up there. Sure, I'm a Morman and I grew up with a lot of them and from what I remember, they were such nice people. I can totally understand the Honor system since, as you can see, most of the stuff they say stay away from causes so much drama and BS in life. Look at T.V. today, kids having kids, adults using their children to get a bigger government check or more child support money to use on themselves, people treating others like dirt just because they may have a little more. The caffine part may seem a bit out there since we all love our coffee, soda or energy drinks but have you noticed how most of us seem to get some kind of withdrawl from not having it? Just like any other drug out there, it's addictive and some of us feel like we can't go on without it's effect. It's just keeping us from going to the extreme. It may come as a surprise to some of you out there, that there are people that actually want to abide by these rules just so that they can feel safe in a serene learning enviornment.

While I'm totally rooting for the Mormon haters in this thread (I grew up in that church but I'm a proud atheist today), there are a lot of good Mormons out there. BYU is a religious institution, so if that guy couldn't follow the rules (as HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE as most people may view them) then it's his own fault. I think freedom of religion laws will prevent him from doing anything if he takes it to court.

Drinking tea is srs bznz

Depends, of course not all is banned or 'srs bznz'~

I go to BYU in the accounting program. It is consistently ranked in the top 3 in the nation (number 1 last I checked) and I paid 2000 a semester as an undergrad and 4000 a semester as a masters student. I defy you to find me any other program that even comes close to those prices with a program ranked 1st in the nation.

As to costing your freedom, MOST colleges have some form of honor code the student body just doesn't abide by it usually. I find this does not say much about you as a man. Whether you agree with your schools honor code or not if you sign a document agreeing to abide by it and then willfully neglect to do so you aren't much of a man.

As to the non-members who go here, Muslims do quite well here but there are lots of other religions represented.

Not sure why you would assume that it is caffeine that is forbidden. The LDS Church does NOT take issue with caffeine, but rather tea and coffee specifically. Did you really think that caffeine was the only bad thing going on there? Ever take a look at the teeth of the British or the Japanese? Tea has tanic acid which destroys calcium and thus they have shitty teeth and old Japanese women walk around bent at a 90 degree angle.

So you're equating most schools' simple honour systems of not cheating and following U.S. law to BYU's relatively radical restrictions?

In the sense that if you agree to abide by them you should follow them yes; yes I am. I used to work in Japan and had to agree to a company code of conduct that seemed, to me, radical and unnecessary. All the same I agreed to abide by it when accepting my employment and thus was honor bound as a man to do so.
Also you would be surprised at how strict honor codes can be if you actually go read them. The honor code of a Texas school has been mentioned already, I'd wager if you check out Notre Dame you'll find their honor code fairly strict as well.

Because the Mormon church told me it was caffeine like 10 years ago... Also there are many kinds of tea out there, not all teas(including herbal "teas" as these would fall under the Honor code) contain that acid, also lots of different blends do not contain any caffeine. Caffeine is the addictive substance in coffee and some teas. The Mormon church forbids a lifestyle in which caffeine is consumed because its an addictive substance. I have had several Mormon employees and whenever I throw a celebration or bring food I make sure to ask(well all my employees) if they have any food/drinks they won't consume due to health/medical/religious/ect... and all but one of the Mormons said they can't drink anything with caffeine, and that they are contempt with the water fountain but I'm a nice guy so I like to get them better, flavored water, ect... This is what I was told by the Mormon church and its members, thus why I believe it. This was also 10 years ago, well the last Mormon employee I had was 4 years ago and he wasn't the soda drinker, y'all have great work ethics for the most part so I love hiring y'all. I rarely drink sodas I feel so much healthier when I don''t and if its been like 3 months and I drink one I feel so sick. I used to drink a lot of coffee but I have a stomach ulcer thanks to a stupid doctor so I avoid it now, and I drink tea a 4-5 x a week as the benefits of it greatly out way the negative sides(except I have to be careful because the wrong teas can upset my stomach ulcer because of the tannin acid.)

Yeah as with any religion there are plenty of dumb members of the LDS church out there. As a result (again as with any religion) the statements made by individual members are not always reliable as accurate as to the actual stance of the church or its doctrines. Having served as a missionary for the church in Japan (where tea drinking is obviously a big thing) I had to be exact in my knowledge of the church's stance and received additional instruction from the church on the matter in the missionary training center. As teas go, herbal teas are actually just fine. It is only teas made from tea leafs that aren't okay.

The caffeine thing is also a common but incorrect misconception that many, including members of the church, hold, but the official stance of the LDS church does not condemn caffeine in any way nor has it ever done so. There are a few reasons for this misconception among some church members but probably the chief reason is that the, then head of the LDS Church (now deceased), Gordon B Hinckley was on a talk show (Letterman if I recall correctly) and was asked "Do you drink caffeine?" He was not being asked about the church or it's policies at this point in the program, merely about himself as a person and apparently as a matter of personal preference he did not drink caffeine and thus said no. A lot of over zealous (aka dumb) church members took this to mean that caffeine was now forbidden and it's just one of those things that caught on.

Lol I quoted the article and didn't even notice that ; ;

So coca cola and red bull are ok? These two drinks have caused health problems and discolored teeth, as well.

I never necessarily said that people who go there shouldn't try to follow their code. I simply don't understand how someone who wasn't brought up under that paradigm (or a similar one) would be able to stand going there, even if it's cheap from a money perspective and gives you a good education.

IMO, Bottom line:

He signed the code.

Could have declined, and chose another school.

Should be held accountable to the CONTRACT he signed.

The athletic department is one of many representatives of the school itself.(As are your day-to-day students.) So it's athletes should be show-case role models for what the school believes in, and stands for. (No matter how nutty some of its policies are.)

I think his GF is knocked up.

Silly mormons are silly

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Thanks Tottoro.

goto school in the bolded text, take up residency here, and take a stab at 26 of the top 50 schools in the country, ftw. UC berk plz!

on topic, it's nice to see a school abiding by its honor code, but that honor code is beyond ridiculous.