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Ramuh.Scizor
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By Ramuh.Scizor 2009-03-10 12:42:41
I think someones epenis is getting out of control, have yourself a reality check. Its only a game, let people play the game how they want not how you think it should be played.
Sovereign you stated a lot of good opinions that some people may take on board, however just because it works for you doesn't mean its going to work for everyone. And try and keep your BLM "imfuckingrighteliteism" under control.
Cerberus.Saiya
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By Cerberus.Saiya 2009-03-10 12:46:23
And regarding your more recent post Sovereign... you're so puffed up with yourself that you're hardly worth speaking to. You're as bad as the LM-17 victims who claimed "Great job SE, now you've kicked all us 'leet endgamers' this server/game is dead". Phrases like "i know everything I have said in this thread is right, because it is' have no place here. Don't expect to be taken seriously. And if you don't care about us believing you or taking you seriously as you claim, you've got an interesting mental dilemma in that you've just wasted a lot of time on something that you don't care about. Go figure.
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By Odin.Moondaddy 2009-03-10 12:59:16
heres a real easy fix to lazy/dumb blm's in endgame such as dyna and ein. they tell you they not gonna sleep mobs, or they dont have sleepga2 (make sure your a sac holder b4 you do this) fukin break there pearl and have a good blm d2 them >.>. but then again that goes for anyone who doesnt listen to a leader on that scale
just imo, ive done it b4
Cerberus.Saiya
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By Cerberus.Saiya 2009-03-10 13:14:38
Lol >,> Can't say we've ever had a BLM that bad. What's the BLMs excuses when they refuse to sleep?
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By Odin.Moondaddy 2009-03-10 13:24:27
was a reply to an eariler poster who said the blm's didnt wanna sleepga cause they didnt wanna die >.> i cant fathom a reason to keep ppl like that in a dyna/ein ls, or for any event ls
Fenrir.Shindo
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By Fenrir.Shindo 2009-03-10 13:25:28
Blatant elitism aside, how do you people go about macroing in all these different gear sets without the aid of a windower for expanded macro slots?
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-10 13:29:34
I have a macro for each casting type; Enfeebling equips my enfeebling gear, Elemental equips my elemental, etc. I press the spell macro followed by the magic type to equip all the relevant gear. Some pieces for Black mage I have on all the time so don't need macros. Anytime I do need to swap more than six items I just make a second macro. So I suppose the answer would be "I don't" xD
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By Hades.Boogers 2009-03-10 13:29:42
Scizor said: Its only a game, let people play the game how they want not how you think it should be played. I would... if this weren't an online game. Play however you want to play, so long as it is not effecting others. If you're soloing, farming by yourself, crafting, etc... I could care less how you do it. But if you're part of a larger group, this mentality is what leads to many failed events. Also, the idling gear set -- unless you mean a Refresh set -- is only essential if you have problems managing hate, or positioning. If you're nuking, you should be in nuking gear; resting in resting gear; +MND gear for stoneskins, etc. But if you're standing around, what the hell are you doing getting hit?! Quit standing in AoE range. Or, if you're standing and a mob comes after you -- learn to manage the hate. Idle gear isn't your problem, it's the lack of understanding game mechanics. You really only need four builds for events as a BLM: accuracy build, MAB build, and resting build, and a stoneskin build. There are other jobs out there that are more suited for enfeebling and sleeping (RDMs and BRDs). It boggles my mind... rather than using a job that is best-suited for enfeebling (RDM), people opt to use the second-best job.
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By Garuda.Hypnotizd 2009-03-10 13:33:56
Shindo said: how do you people go about macroing in all these different gear sets without the aid of a windower for expanded macro slots? Windower for expanded macro slots >.>
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By Shiva.Artemicion 2009-03-10 13:46:50
Shindo send me a PM if you wanna know how to use scripted macros.
And although some good points were made earlier about certain sets made to benefit black mages. The credibility and due respect became immediately invalid simply by a poor choice of words, arrogant disposition and lack of consideration and respect for all others who may or may not agree with you. I wouldn't give the time of day to any elitest *** regardless of how valid or good of a point they may had, it immediately ruins their credibility.
Cerberus.Saiya
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By Cerberus.Saiya 2009-03-10 13:50:10
/Cheer Artemicion
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By Hades.Boogers 2009-03-10 13:53:02
Sovereign said: Says me, yes. What makes me know so much about this is experience. I've been playing endgame for years. I've been in tons of linkshells and played on 3 different servers. I've met a lot of people, and seen a ton of different play methods and strategies for various group setups.
I've been part of a 2 minute Kirin zerg. I've maxed out Dynamis-Xarc with 64 people for my first DL kill. I've even had a GM materialize while my linkshell was wiping to AV to congratulate us on our superior Love strategy, and I have the screenshots to prove it.
2 minute Kirin zerg? FAIL. Are people AFK while you guys zerg? It should take less than a minute to zerg him, and that's not even using DRK Krakens. Quote: Hanging out in a linkshell with 90 someodd people doesnt make you focus as much on perfecting your game. If you want to perfect your game, you would do it regardless of the size of your linkshell. If it takes having a smaller shell in order for you to actually put effort into your game, then despite your years of experience, I'd have to say you still suck. In fact, a LARGER group will more likely motivate the weaker members. Larger numbers means more competitiveness amongst the group. Consider all the DD's sizing each other up with their damage. Or all your BLMs trying to outdo one another. If you have a lazy member, they're going to be lazy whether your group is 90+ or ~12. The downside to having lowman groups is that you all become cookie-cutter players. Everyone wears the same gear, uses the same combination of macros etc. With a large group, the diversity allows for ingenuity to occur. One guy tries to one-up everyone else, and if he succeeds then he raises the bar for the rest of the group.
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By Garuda.Hypnotizd 2009-03-10 14:16:22
Hypnotizd said: Shindo said: how do you people go about macroing in all these different gear sets without the aid of a windower for expanded macro slots? Windower for expanded macro slots >.> I suppose it would be possible to use the ingame macro system for more than 6 gear swaps from the same macro combo by the following. But it will require you to hit he same macro 4 times for all the swapping to take place and bring you back to your starting macro set. BLM Book Macro Set #1 CTRL+1: /equip main itemname /equip sub itemname /equip ammo item name /equip head item name /equip neck item name /macro set 2 BLM Book Macro Set #2 CTRL+1: /equip ear1 itemname /equip ear2 itemname /equip body itemnam /equip hands itemname /equip ring1 itemname /macro set 3 BLM Book Macro Set #3 CTRL+1: /equip ring2 itemname /equip back itemname /equip waist itemname /equip legs itemname /equip feet itemname /macro set 4 BLM Book Macro Set #4 CTRL+1 /magic "Blizard IV" <stnpc> /macro set 1
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By Shiva.Artemicion 2009-03-10 14:19:26
Yeah, technically you can make extended macros that way thanks to new macro book commands. It's just a bigger pain in the *** lol.
Diabolos.Sovereign
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By Diabolos.Sovereign 2009-03-10 14:23:53
Boogers said: 2 minute Kirin zerg? FAIL. Are people AFK while you guys zerg? It should take less than a minute to zerg him, and that's not even using DRK Krakens. Last time I zerg'd Kirin was in late '06... the game was a lot different then, and 2 minutes was an exceptional feat. Even today, a 2 minute kill is something 95% of linkshells on any server cannot accomplish. So... I dont really see how this is 'fail' in any way. Boogers said: If you want to perfect your game, you would do it regardless of the size of your linkshell. If it takes having a smaller shell in order for you to actually put effort into your game, then despite your years of experience, I'd have to say you still suck.
In fact, a LARGER group will more likely motivate the weaker members. Larger numbers means more competitiveness amongst the group. Consider all the DD's sizing each other up with their damage. Or all your BLMs trying to outdo one another. If you have a lazy member, they're going to be lazy whether your group is 90+ or ~12. The downside to having lowman groups is that you all become cookie-cutter players. Everyone wears the same gear, uses the same combination of macros etc. With a large group, the diversity allows for ingenuity to occur. One guy tries to one-up everyone else, and if he succeeds then he raises the bar for the rest of the group. As far as this is concerned... you obviously do not solo or low man anything in this game if you have that mentality. All of the linkshells I've played with tend to have problems with more members. It's more difficult to effectively coordinate events, people start going afk cause they think others can pick up thier slack, etc. Yeah, the competitive spirit between players, trying to out do one another and all... yeah that's awesome. That's what keeps people playing the game, I think. But at the same time, BLM isnt all about how much damage your Burst II can do. Being a good DD isnt all about how high your weaponskill damage can go. There is a lot more to playing these jobs than just that. You say the downside to having low-man groups is that we all become cookie-cutter players... there's a reason for that, you know. It's because there is an optimal solution to every issue, and all of these players have realized it. That's why they all do things the same, thyey do things in the most effecient manner. I challenge each and every one of you to find a better way to play BLM than what I've described here, in the pages of these threads. If you can come up with one, I'll quit the game today, leave this forum, and give you my POL account info. I already know you won't be able to find one. The game has been out for like eight *** years. All the research, all the testing... it's all been done. It's all available for anyone to research themselves online. There are no better ways to play the job, only worse or lazier ways. In fact, looking back on what I've written in this thead, I believe I offered a lot of good advice to playing BLM. Probably with more substance than what anyone else offered. Maybe I didnt do it in the most amicable fashion, and for that I apologize. But it wasnt until I called you all cheap and lazy for not playing the best way possible that you guys all got upset and butthurt. Guess the truth strikes too close to home, yeah?
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-03-10 14:27:10
Sovereign said: Guess the truth strikes too close to home, yeah? Speak for yourself. Only person around here acting butthurt is you xD
Diabolos.Sovereign
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By Diabolos.Sovereign 2009-03-10 14:40:12
Wooooodum said: Sovereign said: Guess the truth strikes too close to home, yeah? Speak for yourself. Only person around here acting butthurt is you xD How is that?
Bahamut.Kodo
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By Bahamut.Kodo 2009-03-10 14:41:46
the truth is unless you are kaeko, i dont give a rat's *** about what you have to say about how to play blm.
Diabolos.Sovereign
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By Diabolos.Sovereign 2009-03-10 14:46:01
Kodo said: the truth is unless you are kaeko, i dont give a rat's *** about what you have to say about how to play blm. I'm telling you the same ***he does...
Bahamut.Kodo
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By Bahamut.Kodo 2009-03-10 14:48:01
Sovereign said: Kodo said: the truth is unless you are kaeko, i dont give a rat's *** about what you have to say about how to play blm. I'm telling you the same ***he does... oh really? good thing i didnt waste time to read the same ***twice then. already read what kaeko has to say. peace
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By Shiva.Artemicion 2009-03-10 14:50:08
The problem is not with the information you give. It's the manner in which you give it. You're acting completely out of line, arrogant and ignorant to outside opinions and thought that may or may not follow your beliefs. Nobody wants to hear an elietist jerk rant about what is and isn't right and that if anyone else disagrees they suck.
If you want people to actually listen and respect you, give views, opinions and points that you feel make it valid, sans insults and condescending attitude.
Fairy.Basilo
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By Fairy.Basilo 2009-03-10 14:51:06
Sovereign needs moar plutos staff. :D
Fairy.Basilo
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By Fairy.Basilo 2009-03-10 14:56:44
Sovereign said: I challenge each and every one of you to find a better way to play BLM than what I've described here, in the pages of these threads. If you can come up with one, I'll quit the game today, leave this forum, and give you my POL account info.
*Epenis pump set to maximum suck*
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By Asura.Moonglow 2009-03-10 15:04:48
are my posts even working? they seem to disapear? hmmmm.. *Edit* never mind didnt see there was already another page added lol found it!
Gilgamesh.Alyria
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-03-10 15:13:54
Cerberus.Saiya
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By Cerberus.Saiya 2009-03-10 15:23:58
Basilo said: *Epenis pump set to maximum suck* I lol'd XD
Fenrir.Shindo
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By Fenrir.Shindo 2009-03-10 16:01:20
Boogers said: In fact, a LARGER group will more likely motivate the weaker members. Larger numbers means more competitiveness amongst the group. Consider all the DD's sizing each other up with their damage. Or all your BLMs trying to outdo one another. If you have a lazy member, they're going to be lazy whether your group is 90+ or ~12. The downside to having lowman groups is that you all become cookie-cutter players. Everyone wears the same gear, uses the same combination of macros etc. With a large group, the diversity allows for ingenuity to occur. One guy tries to one-up everyone else, and if he succeeds then he raises the bar for the rest of the group. I'm forced to disagree with this statement (or at least part of it). As a misanthropic, emotionally dead human being I'm of the opinion that people are inherently lazy and greedy. I would imagine most go to endgame strictly for "their gear" and care very little how they stack up against others. I know when I did dynamis the only person that visibly outshined me was the guy going for his relic and sponsoring the runs. Knowing I'll never make that kind of gil in my life (mostly because I have friends and other obligations) I didn't really care how much more damage he did than me. Of course it didn't help that he was a bit of a *** about the gear I was using. Anyways that's just my opinion.
Midgardsormr.Frobeus
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By Midgardsormr.Frobeus 2009-03-10 16:06:16
Shindo said: Knowing I'll never make that kind of gil in my life (mostly because I have friends and other obligations) While I pretty much agree w/ the rest of your post, I really hate using this excuse as a reason to suck.
Fenrir.Shindo
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By Fenrir.Shindo 2009-03-10 16:16:14
Frobeus said: Shindo said: Knowing I'll never make that kind of gil in my life (mostly because I have friends and other obligations) While I pretty much agree w/ the rest of your post, I really hate using this excuse as a reason to suck. It's certainly not perfect I'll agree with you. I generally only half-mean things like that. There are better examples I could give, but I'd rather not derail the topic.
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By Odin.Moondaddy 2009-03-10 16:54:34
Boogers said: You really only need four builds for events as a BLM: accuracy build, MAB build, and resting build, and a stoneskin build. There are other jobs out there that are more suited for enfeebling and sleeping (RDMs and BRDs). It boggles my mind... rather than using a job that is best-suited for enfeebling (RDM), people opt to use the second-best job.
so ya, the job that gets sleepga1&2 not best suited sleepers um wtf you talkin bout
Ok, so, this is for the young in heart (not the leet, they know this already) and unfamilar with this job. This topic is being told in this thread but I wish to not derail this thread too much. If you are a BLM who is endgame. Please respond by placing your message to the newbies. If you are a BLM who is a newbie, please, listen to sage advice. Here it goes: Korpg said: Aledacia said: Depending on what you're doing...
Merits. 8/8 Enfeeb, 5/5 Para II, 4/5 Slow II, 1/5 Phalanx II.
Use AF tabard + AF head or Elite Beret/+1 + Enfeebling/Spider Torque for Enfeebs.
MND Set - Paralyze/II, Slow/II: Sapphire Ring x2, Errant/Mahatma Slops, Devotee's Mitts/+1, Errant/Mahatma Pigaches, Rainbow Cape, Al Zahbi Sash/Penitent's Rope/Witch Sash. Just to name a few. Theres better stuff, but they cost more. ^^
INT Set - Gravity, Dispel, Poison, Bio I-III, Bind: Diamond Ring x2, Errant/Mahatma Slops, Errant/Mahatma Gloves, Errant/Mahatma Pigaches, Rainbow Cape, Al Zahbi Sash/Penitent's Rope/Witch Sash...
MND+ helps Para and Slow land more plus increases potency - particularly noticeable with Para.
INT+ helps Gravity, Dispel, Poison, Bio, Bind and other elemental/dark-based enfeebs/DoT's land.
MP Set - Intensifying Cape, Hierarch Belt, Serket Ring, Ether Ring, LV62 & LV70 RSE (in some cases), Astal/Insomnia/Antivenom Earrings, Hedgehog Bomb, Staff Strap, and so on.
Enfeebling Torque by far has to be the best investment I made in RDM. +Skill really helps, but in the long run you're gonna want to use Torque, AF bod, and Elite Beret/Duelist's Chapeau at maximum for +skill. +Stat for everywhere else.
Meripo or healing situations, focus on MP+ and maybe a healing Torque, along with Errant/Mahatma Bod + legs.
Wise head, pants and gloves may be beneficial in some circumstances, but personally I don't use them.
During Events, if you're /WHM, focus on healing, Slow, Para (switich between MP & MND sets as appropriate) refresh/phalanx II if you're in BLM PT... - unless they actually give you something in particular to do that differs from that. Slow II and Para II help a lot.
/BLM is most likely gonna be for things like Dynamis, maybe Einherjar... Sleepga, Sleep II, Sleep takes priority, other than that, enfeeb mobs, refresh/phalanx II if you're in BLM PT...
If you're in a DD PT, Haste, Refresh(if DRK, BLU, PLD etc) all members...heals, bar-ra spells as needed and so on. >_>
I can go on to DD and tanking sets if you want. >_> I agree with Aledacia on all but the bolded points. Reason 1: Find out who's your main RDM in your shell (if endgame and events) and ask them what their merits are. Whatever your main RDM has, don't merit it for the shell. If you don't have an endgame shell, then merit whatever you want. Go 6/6 spells if you feel like it. Reason 2 (both parts in the same sentence): In merit and healing situations, healing magic skill doesn't really help at all. You will be hitting cap if your MND is up there anyway (and if your healing magic is below 120 when you dinged 75, wtf have you been doing in your parties anyway?) Don't just work on MP+ though. Work on Enmity - also, so that emergancy cure bomb won't land you on the ground face first. Reason 3: No matter what, your sleepga in any situation will suck. If you are in a BLM party, you are not going to sleep shit, except maybe something with a Sleep II (if somebody is stupid enough to have /autoattack on still in events like that). Sleepga II > all. Einherjar = BLMs use ES + Sleepga. Even when I was the only BLM in this one run for Einherjar (which was a pain in the ass, I had to D2 30 people afterwards) I still had a great sleep rate over RDMs and SCHs in the same group. Without ES also (using ES ment that they slept for a lot longer, which ment that they didn't rape me when they woke up afterwards). The time for RDMs to sleep shit is over. BLMs > all. Oh, and another thing. Who ever uses Phalanx II on a BLM? Any BLM worth his/her salt would have /RDM. Let the BLM cast his own Phalanx (saves you MP, and helps them survive on their own). Korpg said: Aledacia said: @Reason #3, I've never had a problem with my sleepgas, but that could be due to 314 Enfeebling Magic & lots of +INT... I've rarely done Dynamis where the BLM's are the ones doing sleepga (or are good at it). =/
@Phalanx thingy - almost always the BLM's I've done events with are /WHM because they're too cheap to buy reraise items.
I do agree with asking your shell's main RDM about their merits. I'm my shell's main RDM at the moment so I didn't even think of that. @_@ Personally I <3 my Phalanx 2, Slow 2, Para 2 and Blind 2 merits...taking out Dia 3 and Bio 3 so I can enhance my enfeebs.
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Earth 2/5, Ice 2/5, Wind 1/5 potencey and 5/5 Convert merits are the way to go if you're doing a wide span of events and soloing.
Taru RDM... may wanna do 4/8 HP and 4/8 MP merits. 8/8 Enfeeb, 8/8 Enhancing. 4/8 Spell Interuption Rate will help too. Strange that your BLMs can't sleep shit. I have my usual setup (i.e. really cheap gear) of Iqira or however you spell it head/legs + AF body just for enfeebs (no torque) and 1/8 enfeeb merits (working on Elemental merits atm, then will do Enfeeb, but....) and I rarely get resists on anything, dynamis/ein-wise. You should yell at your BLMs to buy a RR earring (or not die) and sub RDM. It works wonders... Really cheap gear still gives you about 90% accuracy rate on enfeebs, and merits takes care of the rest. Aledacia said: Yeah its kind of sad actually. A lot of the time at least one of the following things happens, at least in Dynamis shells I've been in;
A. BLM's don't have Sleepga II, usually because they sold it upon getting it. B. BLM's can't land Sleeps of any kind... C. BLM's refuse to Sleepga, and say let the RDM's do it, because they don't want to die. (Even if there are off-tanks.) D. Don't know how to sleep/target something that isn't being pulled. (Gogogo Sleepga 1 the front of the Sandy AH while we're pulling from the East Ronfaure gate. -.-)
I've been in maybe two-three shells where BLM's actually Sleepga -> nuke. Generally, everyone relies on the RDM's to do it.
Thus, I'm thinking of getting Hermes Sandals so I can pull on COR, instead of playing RDM and wanting to /wrists every run. =D Now, there is a lot of info that doesn't count towards BLMs (like RDM merits, but that was why this thread was made) but still, if you can see what the problems lie, then you will realize what we are talking about. So again, please say what you want to say. This is a discussion (and gripe session if you want it to be) of what newb BLMs should know now.
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