Would You Trade Your Relic Weapon Back?

I don't disagree, there is a possibility that what ya'll are claiming may be right, and I hope it is. SE's inability to actually listen to the playerbase and make smart decisions for the growth of the game leads to my beliefs that we're just going to continue to get screwed over in the long run about the REM. They have broken too many of their own promises/statements (Cait Sith and Atomos anyone?) over the last few years to really make me wonder how ya'll can still have "faith in the system", if you will.

It is very sad that the forum community is more entertaining / active than the actual game.

I find it interesting that for the most part in this forum the very few people that have a Mythic weapon (which is the only weapon type of the three legendaries that actually required a daunting task to complete) seem like they couldn't care less about whether or not their weapons are relevant. Obviously relic and empyrean users will make up the majority of the complaining faction (as they are the majority in the R/M/E crowd since relics and empyreans are really easy to make) but it's interesting to see that the people with legit reasons to complain don't really seem to. Could be that I haven't read enough of the threads to find said people though.

those crazy *** are too busy playing the game to get on the internet & complain about it.

lol

Pretty sure it's as was stated earlier, the people that made it to be useful are pissed they're no longer uberleet best DD. Most of those with the resources to make a mythic don't really have to worry about their usefulness being called into question.

Before adoulin, if you had a 99 relic you were generally considered a pretty top end DD. Now, the weapons are commonplace and things like your race, the rest of your gear, etc are called into question. You no longer have your guaranteed DD spot status. Hence, mad.

People who play many hours, are 'good' at the game, or are even in leadership rolls don't have to worry as much about fitting into a group. They'll get the newest gear and/or they'll be in the position to put their DD in the alliance. Someone who grinded for months to make a relic just so they could stop going to VW on BLM no longer has that option, if you want a DD spot you need to either be exceptional or make your own group.

I feel like people are expecting to just download an update and log in to item level 120 RME.

It won't be like that. If they make RME level 120, you will need to complete level 120 content to upgrade. If they make the item level high enough that the weapons will still be good, your average herpaderp I soloed dynamis for my relic and now it suxxx player will still be stuck with crap.

This has always been a problem. People thinking that just because they possess a relic they instantly earned "Elite" status giving them this false sense of superiority over others.

I'm not suggesting it's the correct method of thought, just saying it's a reason people are mad.

You may not have been around long enough to remember when building a relic weapon *was* a daunting task. When you could only enter dynamis every few days due to 72 hour restrictions, glass purchases being 1mil, Currency only going to run leaders as everyone scrambled over killing ***and lotting their job gear, and competing against 17 other players. Currently, building a relic is a joke now, than it was previously.

that's me.

I'm ok with crap. it's the 75m (for umbral marrows) & the verticle progression that pissed me off. I've since moved on to the "acceptance" stage of grief.

Calling BS.

How about you give me 3 years of your life (which I spent on EM) to me before you want to accuse others "you're pissed because you're not elite anymore and you can't get invite". I rarely ever mention my gear when I asked for invite and still got invite pretty often, I don't think I've ever claimed to be "elite" either, in fact it's the opposite. So your claim is completely false.

I finished my mythic the day I quit. I knew I was gonna quit and said *** it I'll sell all my items and buy the last remaining alex. Did the fight,left it at 75 without a trial stamp. I was well aware that even with the PDT cap limit break on burtgang it is very situational. Knew this forever and I still didnt give a ***when R/M/E were outdated

This I will admit is the case as I have not being playing this game anywhere near as long as most people on here seem to have. But even that doesn't really seem daunting just more time consuming. Doing all assaults x2, getting 30,000 alexandrites, camping ToA kings(which some ppl claim can take weeks), killing the four salvage bosses, clearing Nyzul Isle to floor 100, getting 100,000 ichor, etc. Assuming 75 cap like you mentioned, the multitude of tasks you have to complete really was daunting as opposed to just sponsoring a dynamis farming run every 3 days or what have you for a year or however long it used to take before.

You didn't give a ***because Burtang didn't change, like shield/instrument. It's a situational weapon before SoA, it's still same function after SoA: that means it's still RELEVANT.

Those who QQed, their weapon aren't even RELEVANT. 0 use, not even "situational".

You could think about it that way, and maybe some people are that way. But it can also be more like people spent a lot of their time/effort in order to participate in the leading events of the game, and now they no longer can. They're unhappy with the return on their investment. Those people, like me, find themselves a couple of steps behind the cutting edge players, no matter what, and it can be frustrating. (While the very cutting edge players plow through content and *** about having nothing to do - what a weird situation.)

I've never, ever met a single person that acted as if their possession of a particular weapon made them superior than anyone else. The closest thing I've ever encountered is people setting requirements for various events - but thinking, even incorrectly, that X is required to win Y isn't the same thing.

When you have to log on twice a week, 3hr+ each time(sometimes longer due to gathering time), for years......yeah, it was a daunting task. It doesn't SOUND hard, but when you do it for real, it can get pretty painful.

Surely if you could go back in time and undo your mistakes, you would be he same person you were before the mistake and make them again no?

Mitstakes lead to personal growth, just sucks your mistake might have been a bit bigger by spending your time on a game making an item with no garantee's it would remain the ultimate thing ever created. That said, I do believe it should be upgraded, but how and when...

No I would never take back any mistake I ever made. Mistakes at the time were painful, but looking back, I can now find some of them funny.

I just look at things differently. And the way I saw it,i just didnt care. Same way everything was omgzergDDtank for ages,i just didnt care that it was making my job/weapon obselete. Hell,I started work ob the weapon seriously at 75 (even bar alex done back then) and i didnt care it wasnt top back then or that it wasnt top/useful till 90 or whenever they added pdt cap break. I madr it because i wanted to. Like i said,different way of looking at it

So question, if Burtang is zomg awesome that's game changing in every way, would you still quit the day you finish it? Or would you play a bit longer to play with it?

Obviously you just skimmed through the thread otherwise you would know I was talking about the asinine superiority complex relic/empyrean wielders seem to have and this thinking that having a relic/empyrean automatically somehow makes them elite. It's not hard to make a relic nor empyrean, I don't think anyone would logically debate that.

As I stated before mythic wielders I could understand if they complain because of the sheer volume of tasks they had to complete in order to attain their weapon but these people from my albeit short experience in reading these forums don't really seem to care (or rather they dont seem to feel as strongly about their weapon remaining at the top as R/E people). The reason for this is likely a combination of mosin's response (that they are too busy playing the game to care about posting) and comeatmebro's response earlier.

Regarding the "can't get an invite" part I have no idea where you're coming from with this as I haven't made any posts on this thread talking about people's inability to join events. You're gonna have to post a quote to refresh my memory on that but as you brought it up (alongside comeatmebro) yes this is probably another big reason the majority of the people complaining are complaining.

Not to mention the botched runs where someone does something stupid, and pops all the mobs at once, by running where he shouldn't.

The original quota of alex used to be 50k, but mythic builders got a reprieve at 30k instead. There was also the fact that 90% of their tasks could be done in small groups, as small as groups of 3. Building ZNM pops and killing them wasn't even a challenge before SE upped the plate value either.

Building a Mythic, for the most part, was a series of small tasks that simply looked more daunting than it was. You could do multiple pieces of it at once during any given day. The biggest issue, was finding people willing to sell you alexandrite so you didn't have to spend the time farming it from salvage. SE also implemented Alex as rewards from NNI bosses, and increased possible drops in Salvage 2.

It's not about being "hard" to make REM, but it takes LONG TIME for avg players, and more time than every other weapons in this game, including delve weapons. If you're an avg player with no high lv craft/ADL group, it takes around 200hr+ to make a relic. But it takes 5hr to get a delve boss weapon just doing NMx5+boss clear run x3. Hell it's even faster than getting a Toci's harness before cell added.

200hr of work face slapped by 5hr of work. Do your math, which one takes longer? You may argue that elite players takes less than 200hr to make REM, but I doubt it'd be 5hr too, counting time to lv up craft, fishing or do ADL.

You can't logically deny time is valuable too. It's not even about "I deserve to be elite with REM, cuz it's hard". It's about "I invested 200hr~ 1000hour of my time on something, and cheated by SE". I don't think I've ever seen ppl complain about REM talked about how "hard" it is, but rather the amount of time they spent on it.

If REM takes 5hr to get like delve (boss) weapons, I bet nobody would complain.

It had nothing to do with me quitting. As the R/M/E thing didnt. I had made the choice to quit already based on alot of other things and I cant think of a single thing,your listed situation included,that woulda kept me on the game. Regardless of even if it had made me the most OP and/or desired person in the game/server

I'd complain it's too easy. Just to have something to complain about.

This is true and I can understand this frustration but technically speaking the way things are set up now is supposed to be beneficial to these types of players. These delve weapons and this new model of weapon progression that was installed was done so I believe (granted it is SE so who knows for sure) so that people that don't possess the insane log in time that some of the upper class players have can still advance while only doing a fraction of the work the hardcore players do. It doesn't take months/years to get/rank a delve weapon. So technically these types of players shouldn't be complaining but they generally are anyway. The reason they do so is most of the time (of course not always) because they no longer feel special or privileged over others. They like that false sense of superiority that the R/E weapon gave them over non R/E users. Its why you saw those HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE threads about "SE needing to upgrade lvl 85 and 90 emps). I used to see these types of people all the time on Siren, you're lucky if you don't seem em in fenrir.

Lol the gap still exist from what I've seen. Before SoA an avg player can catch up to hardcore player by soloing or playing with a few friend. Now if you can't log in while another group doing delve NM/boss, you're *** up.

Nothing changes, really.

Honestly I don't see what's wrong with able to solo a god tier weapon. It's always nice to have a solo/low-able content to do if you only want to log on 1hr a day, and still able to get best gear in 1 slot. You will never become "elite" with 1 best gear in the slot, but it's nice to be able to do something and make progress whenever you play. If you can only solo 2nd best or 3rd best weapon, it won't be as appealing.

You don't have to worry about ppl shouldn't be elite by soloing. We all know that you need way more than 1 gear to become elite. Ideally you want to have content that's solo/lowmanable(and gives best gear), and group content that gives best gears too. That way you can always do something whether you have 1hr or 5hr of time.

It's easy to say that in retrospect.

Then again, I look at my FFXI time as kind of a free university, except without all the liberal-agenda behind it; since for every hour actually playing FFXI I spent two or three waiting for stuff to happen and thus randomly searching internets for interesting tidbits.

Of course, we have to filter out all the time spent on Encyclopedia Dramatica from the argument, so I'm left with maybe 6 hours a week of actual enlightenment, as opposed to getting hyperlinked to moar goatse.