Old FFXI Vs New FFXI

That video link was awesome....

Basically how the old HNM shells were in some cases

Also, as much as I love the way Abyssea changed the game for some jobs... I miss the old days in some ways. When you leveled a job that wasn't 'bandwagon' (aside from SAM) and knew how to play the job well. I hate the fact that XI is now basically 7 jobs (WAR BLM WHM MNK THF DNC NIN) for most everything, and all of the 2-box'd WHMs with people soloing. Atma really has changed the game, and I fear for the worst... Every time I see a Pink NIN/MNK/THF/DNC (especially those with Emp Weapon) it makes me wanna throw my laptop out the door. If you really care about your job, you need to gear it up. I almost do the same thing when I see SMNs in full AF1, or people wearing the BASE AF3 while in Abyssea Exp'ing. 99.999999999999999999% of the time, its not the best piece if you have other gear that is better... IDC if its 'town' gear or not.... I'll admit also, with Abyssea changes, I've leveled up new jobs (BST/PLD/NIN/BLU/COR) which has been a blessing compared to the old days. I know theres people out there that can pick up and play any job with a little bit of time, but most of the people you see nowadays dont know their way through a corn maze let alone play some jobs...

Honestly, the "FFXI only being 7 jobs now" thing cant be used. Before Abyssea, the only jobs that mattered were BRD, RDM, THF, PLD, WHM, SAM, sometimes WAR and/or BLM.

lol

I agree PLD was never good but what jobs are able to be used and matter depend on the views of the playerbase. In old FFXI in particular, if they didn't like your job, you weren't playing it. Anyone remember fun merit parties?

Anyone who has read any of my posts knows I was never a fan of PLD and never thought it was needed to do things but sadly, up until abyssea, most of the player based viewed PLD as a needed job to get anything done.

DRG had its uses, DRK had its uses, NIN had its uses, COR had its uses. Pre ToAU, yeah BLM had a place for SC/MB (remember that?) SCH and WHM were used when you couldn't find said RDM, and if you were TRULY desperate, you had SMNs healing

People used to lol at DNCs, now they're one of the top jobs. I remember when I was in Eden, I got lol'd when I wanted to level DNC, and people didn't want it to see 'the light of day'.

Not really, DNC was nice with Haste samba. Now its just a job you get annoyed with as they take 50 minutes to solo a NM.

Nah... get more annoyed with PUPs and BLUs trying to solo stuff

I just feel (and maybe I'm abit wrong) that the entirety of the world Vana'diel will go largly unexplored now because I seems people just want to zerg crap for gear. "Play for Profit" gameplay never has and never will suit me.

Amazed that no one has hit the thread since update was done and we have seen in what state the game was left.

From what i heard dynamis sucks now. My group will do it today and we'll see how it goes.

i am sick of people getting lazy and leeching, you cant accuartly play your job unless you use it and not stand around opening chest. then you expect someone like me who got all my high levels before wings of the goddess to help you. I dont understand why people pay for a game they arent even playing. I remember when final fantasy use to be fun and you had to pay attention to the game. when people actually use to help each other. i believe they need to put a minimium level of 70+ on abyssea so we can stop having gimped-skilled level 60s. you know there is more than one way to play final fantasy and it ia possible and more fun without it.

WHM 90, RDM 77, pld 75, brd 75,

You don't need to play the job 1-90 to learn it, it comes from research, forums, other people, common knowledge and trial and error. Capping skills isn't hard. In short, a basic reading ability coupled with any form of average intelligence will teach you the job.


Before WotG? Try further back, before CoP, that's when leveling was hard. Or further back yet, when having two 75s was pretty beastly.


So grinding XP for days and days and days counts as playing, but leveling to 90 in a day, and actually moving on to the more interesting content isn't playing the game? Uh oh, logic flaw.


Again, skill up party. All a cap would do is force people to XP slower again, gimps will be gimps no matter how they level.

i know, you're completely right, they're sort of like those lazy jerks who got through cop post level cap break

oh wait, you still didn't make it through even at that point

clearly all that time grinding has made you incredibly good at this game

I leveled my alt's scholar in six hours from 30-90. Gotta love this ***.

why do you acknowledge that there are different ways to play, but criticize those who don't play the way you do?

That's odd, because I leveled my THF from 30 to 85 in a day, and I already play it better than majority of THF on my server. But I guess this game is hard for some people? You don't have to have played a job before to know how to play it.

Only the crappy dancer's take 50mins to kill anything. You know, the ones that store TP for cures and ***.

i don't know about you, but i never see decent dancers soloing nms.

That's a dangerously bold statement. Explain to me exactly what qualifies you, having just hit level 85, as playing better than the majority of seasoned THFs on your server.

People really underestimate or forget nowadays how much personal experience improves your play style. I have no problem with Abyssea or the game itself as it is now, but I do find it a bit sad that people think they can read a quick FAQ about a job after leeching it to 90 and suddenly understand its deepest complexities. Exping in the past was a horrible, horrible grind, but it (in most cases, anyway) assured that by 75 you'd have grinded enough to really have the job hammered into your brain.

I'm not saying one can't play a job properly if they didn't grind on it for 3 months. But reading a guide and jumping in just isn't the same as personal experience through trial and error over time.

except he didn't say seasoned thfs, he just said the majority of thfs on his server. have you seen the majority of thfs (probably on any server)?

how many thfs do you know who would actually be able to /rng or /cor effectively? because i'm pretty sure it's not the majority.

I quit back when Lv85 just came out, mainly due to abyssea. I prefer the old days of XI, partying in different locations, low-manning NM's (Serket, Simurgh, Kreutzet, Adamantoise etc.) and generally doing any random ***with friends to pass the time.

I admit, the level cap increase was fun for a while, especially for my Blu when it got its own refresh and spells doing 3x damage compared to some melee's WS's... But it seemed to me like they were trying to cover up all the mistakes they were making by allowing everyone to hit big numbers. Don't misunderstand me, obviously an up-scale had to happen with out levels getting higher, but it was getting kinda ridiculous. I didn't even mind so much that XP was mainly in Abyssea... Even though I refused to take any job below 70 there... Solo was possible & I had friends to level with. However, the endgame got totally ruined for me. Every event turned into abyssea. Every NM people wanted to camp was in abyssea. Every item people wanted to farm as in abyssea. Every piece of gear people wanted was in abyssea. And the trials.. I mean what the hell. Sure, some weren't so bad and yet others... What the *** were they thinking?

Not only that, but being an EU player, even when I WANTED to do abyssea the shells were few and far between half run by tards. I don't think I ever got a Atma that I didn't solo. I feel sorry for the players who had been playing 6 years+ when all the new stuff came out. I'd only just been playing a little under 2 years at the time, and it was still annoying to throw pretty much 75% of my gear out. Especially since I was finally at the top of the list for limbus gear. Bah. Guess I just miss the old days. No other MMO I've tried has lived up to XI still.

Old FFXI was fun because you had good conversations while doing an exp party. It was priceless finding a group of 5 other people who played the same time as you and wanted to static to 75. That was fun because even though you were getting only 4~5k/hour you were having a good time talkin about random stuff. Oh and kills were atleast smooth because everyone was doing their job properly.

Old FFXI sucked when you couldn't find a party and had to sit around town with your flag up. I wish I had the resources back then that I do now to know where to farm synthing mats. I could've gotten alot of crafts leveled up while lfg back then =/

Old FFXI sucked because some of the best gear required a bot or selling your soul to a linkshell that lives on ffxi when you have a real life.

Current FFXI requires no 24/7 commitment for the best gear in town. You can have a solid group of 3~10 friends and do just about anything with enough practice. You can aquire great gear in a relatively small amount of time and get the jobs leveled that you want leveled quickly. I have very limited play time and can still get a considerable worth of stuff done in what time I have. That's why I'm still around playing FFXI.

Honestly, thinking about it in the car today....how many of those hardcore players can you count that had all the best gear got burned out? Alot of casuals have left the game also, but from my experience it's always due to kids/job/change in life.

As for knowing how to play the job like a pro because you grinded to 75....I can vouge that my DRG and MNK were 75 pre-Abyssea and I was not a pro at them. My gear was mediocre (sp) by 75 and when I took those jobs to Dynamis - Xarc or Einherjar sure I knew how to hit the 'Attack' button and hope for the best....but when crap hit the fan in Endgame....I usually died first because of lack of experience doing Endgame things on that job. Ive gotten more experience on those jobs since then but my only Abyssea-fied job (SMN) is a joke still currently. I love it and do my best to get playtime on it, but when crap hits the fan sometimes all I know how to do on that job is stare and die....where as on my RDM I could list on two hands ways to save my hide.

Basically trying to say playing a job has always been two seperate things. Exp'n =/= Endgame Ready. Any fool could exp, but only the few seasoned/practiced people on their jobs could shine in those difficult, fun yet challenging (Proto-Ultima/Omega @60 Anyone? I loved that fight on RDM!).

/nostalgia

Because THF uses marksmanship oh so often nowadays? I probably need that extra ranged accuracy bonus for landing throwing on Genbu. :(

I don't underestimate the importance of how much personal experience imrpoves play style. Neither did I read a quick FAQ about the job and expect myself to be amazing at it. I've been playing since release, and I've always kept up to date on other jobs, even the ones I never plan to level. Knowing other jobs lets you play along them alot better than if you don't know how the jobs work. You don't need to have prior experience to be good at a job. FFXI isn't as hard as you people are making it out to be.

A non-HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE person can play their job as good or as bad as they'd like to. I know THFs who just ding 90 and work on multiple sets such as MDT, Evasion, RACC, Aeolian Edge sets, you name it. And then I know THFs who have been playing the job since release, and the only swaps they own are TP and WS.

Don't be so quick to judge. Also, I do understand the shitstorm that can ensue from a statement such as the one I made about playing THF better than majority of people, but I'm not majority of people.