Leviathan.Angelskiss said:
i love the leo swagger <3
RawrRufus said:
strutters gonna strut
RawrRufus 2 months ago +38
RawrRufus 2 months ago +38
Old FFXI Vs New FFXI
Old FFXI vs New FFXI
I personally prefer the old FFXI (CoP era and maybe ToAU), but that has nothing to do with the difficulty of the game. I just liked the overall feel of the game back then. To me it felt like it had much more substance.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Fenrir.Enternius said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Many fights in old XI DID this.
Wrong.
Also, people saying ffxi today is easy mode clearly don't remember how easy everything was at 75 cap, bar AV. And no one kills AV without zerging. And zerging =! talented play for large groups.
It's no easier than it used to be, just more accessible for lowman.
Flion hit it right on the head.
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
I didn't rush to get any of what I have. I just have a lot of freetime atm because I took the semester off due to personal reasons.
People just want the things you by chance already have due to extra time on your hands, can't blame them for that
It was never a question of rushing to get the best gear in the current system. It's a question of wanting the best gear being handed to you in 20m instead of working towards it. Anyone can get the best gear within 1hr max atm, casual or not. They want the best gear handed to them, it's been said a lot in this thread but the feeling is just diminished when you get it so quick. The current system is just set up to be that way.
Bahamut.Serj said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Who says group oriented content is 18 players? Those are bare minimums tbh, most fights were just a bit over that or just around. JOL, some ZNMs etc are missing from that list. Comparing average groups of today to average groups of old XI, those are bare minimum numbers.
Ok? And none of it was challenging in the least. I have high hopes for Voidwatch. But everyone's claim at how much easier xi is now is just funny.
Are you HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE? You are honestly comparing 6 man odins and duo KS99 Wyrm to mnk + whm cure spam? You think they require the same skill and "challenge"?
Go mnk+whm and kill every heroes nm.
You know what? You can't.
What...? Yes you can LOL
Woops let me amend that, GASP, add a BLM. Now you can do every hero NM!
I don't know why everyone is getting het up. MMOs are never going to be hard outside of that one boss or NM that seems nearly impossible without a very specific setup.
MMOs are for casually skilled players.
It's about the grind, not the difficulty.
MMOs are for casually skilled players.
It's about the grind, not the difficulty.
[+]
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Fenrir.Enternius said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Many fights in old XI DID this.
Most of us are talking about the other 95% of Abyssea. You can say the same thing with AV these days but people will still zerg it with Alex.
i don't see how people can say that things aren't any easier.
any shitty player can solo any nm in abyssea by leeching in a party for 1-2 hours. how is that not completely different from pre-heroes, at least?
any shitty player can solo any nm in abyssea by leeching in a party for 1-2 hours. how is that not completely different from pre-heroes, at least?
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Who says group oriented content is 18 players? Those are bare minimums tbh, most fights were just a bit over that or just around. JOL, some ZNMs etc are missing from that list. Comparing average groups of today to average groups of old XI, those are bare minimum numbers.
Ok? And none of it was challenging in the least. I have high hopes for Voidwatch. But everyone's claim at how much easier xi is now is just funny.
Are you HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE? You are honestly comparing 6 man odins and duo KS99 Wyrm to mnk + whm cure spam? You think they require the same skill and "challenge"?
Go mnk+whm and kill every heroes nm.
You know what? You can't.
What...? Yes you can LOL
K, go do it.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Fenrir.Enternius said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Many fights in old XI DID this.
Wrong.
Also, people saying ffxi today is easy mode clearly don't remember how easy everything was at 75 cap, bar AV. And no one kills AV without zerging. And zerging =! talented play for large groups.
It's no easier than it used to be, just more accessible for lowman.
Shiva.Flionheart said:
I don't know why everyone is getting het up. MMOs are never going to be hard outside of that one boss or NM that seems nearly impossible without a very specific setup.
MMOs are for casually skilled players.
It's about the grind, not the difficulty.
MMOs are for casually skilled players.
It's about the grind, not the difficulty.
I'm not getting bent out of shape over this, just expressing my opinion like everyone else is. Nothing I say here will make any impact on the developers of this game, just some place to mess around when I'm bored. Obviously people share the same views, if not the difficulty I want the variety back with the relevance it had.
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Leviathan.Angelskiss said:
i love the leo swagger <3
RawrRufus said:
strutters gonna strut
RawrRufus 2 months ago +38
RawrRufus 2 months ago +38
Fenrir.Enternius said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Fenrir.Enternius said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Many fights in old XI DID this.
Wrong.
Also, people saying ffxi today is easy mode clearly don't remember how easy everything was at 75 cap, bar AV. And no one kills AV without zerging. And zerging =! talented play for large groups.
It's no easier than it used to be, just more accessible for lowman.
Not really.
As a BRD in a group of 3 players I'm doing no more work than I would be in a group of 6 players.
There are less players, NMs are geared around smaller populations of players.
If you add mobs that require 18 people they won't be done as XI is dying.
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
I don't know why everyone is getting het up. MMOs are never going to be hard outside of that one boss or NM that seems nearly impossible without a very specific setup.
MMOs are for casually skilled players.
It's about the grind, not the difficulty.
MMOs are for casually skilled players.
It's about the grind, not the difficulty.
I'm not getting bent out of shape over this, just expressing my opinion like everyone else is. Nothing I say here will make any impact on the developers of this game, just some place to mess around when I'm bored. Obviously people share the same views, if not the difficulty I want the variety back with the relevance it had.
I agree with variety being a necessary component for the future of XI.
Yes that means its easier. One person didn't do all the work, it was a collective.
Fenrir.Enternius said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Fenrir.Enternius said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Many fights in old XI DID this.
Wrong.
Also, people saying ffxi today is easy mode clearly don't remember how easy everything was at 75 cap, bar AV. And no one kills AV without zerging. And zerging =! talented play for large groups.
It's no easier than it used to be, just more accessible for lowman.
difficulty vs artificial difficulty
old ffxi was mostly artificial difficulty. need to use a certain amount of time to get x item! need to overcome a certain length of queue to get y item! You didn't need more than 6 for most mobs, and for many even less.
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
Fenrir.Enternius said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Fenrir.Enternius said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Many fights in old XI DID this.
Think about it, what needed 18 people or you'd never succeed? like 2 mobs, 3 at 75?
Just because we needed 18 to beat AV or PW doesn't mean in the perfect strategy 18 were needed
No but not everything needed 18 to be considered a group oriented event, 8~12 was just fine. The point was, it required specific job combinations with people each having a specific role. Now you just need 4 people to do EVERYTHING in Abyssea. These 4 can do anything and only one is fighting, the other is cure spamming and the other two are only there to boost drop rate/basic utility.
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Yes that means its easier. One person didn't do all the work, it was a collective.
Which made you need the same skill as you do today as they've geared NMs around smaller groups.
Instead of a collective being needed to take down something, instead you can do it with 2 people.
Those 2 people are doing the same amount of work as they did before, but a mass isn't needed.
Yes it would be easier if you brought 6, but seeing as for the most part you'll be hanging out with 3 or 4 people it's about as difficult as it was before.
Needing 18 people for a fight doesn't necessarily mean it was harder for each player individually.
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
:D:D:D
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Bismarck.Josiahfk said:
Fenrir.Enternius said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Fenrir.Enternius said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Many fights in old XI DID this.
Think about it, what needed 18 people or you'd never succeed? like 2 mobs, 3 at 75?
Just because we needed 18 to beat AV or PW doesn't mean in the perfect strategy 18 were needed
No but not everything needed 18 to be considered a group oriented event, 8~12 was just fine. The point was, it required specific job combinations with people each having a specific role. Now you just need 4 people to do EVERYTHING in Abyssea. These 4 can do anything and only one is fighting, the other is cure spamming and the other two are only there to boost drop rate/basic utility.
Need a war, a nin, a blu, a blm, a whm, and a thf. Add in mnk for tanking, and brd so the blm doesn't have a crappy sub.
Congratulations, you're doing the exact same thing you were at 75.
Edit: except people have to pay attention to proc nms. Which, by golly, is more effort than they'd put forth than they would at 75! OMG
;D
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Needing 18 people for a fight doesn't necessarily mean it was harder for each player individually.
Uh no, you don't "need" a war or a nin. THF WHM BLM BLU is all you need for everything in Abyssea pertaining to NM fights. Even the highest tier NMs, this is all you need.
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Uh no, you don't "need" a war or a nin. THF WHM BLM BLU is all you need for everything in Abyssea pertaining to NM fights. Even the highest tier NMs, this is all you need.
Have fun spamming nms and wasting time trying for KI!
Ramuh.Lorzy said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Needing 18 people for a fight doesn't necessarily mean it was harder for each player individually.
I assume the majority of people who say XI is easier now.
All FFXI content and images © 2002-2025 SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD. FINAL
FANTASY is a registered trademark of Square Enix Co., Ltd.