Old FFXI Vs New FFXI

Not on the server I was on when I did HNM. lol

You don't HAVE to use Atmas. I'm willing to bet there isn't an assassin from SE holding a gun to your head, demanding you use Atma every time you zone into abyssea or he'll kill all your loved ones, then you.

HNM weren't really hard, I mean... knowing the tricks to take down fafhogg and K/behemoth were more important than gear. Don't get me wrong, when Fafhogg spammed wing it could be a pain, but yeah.

Turtle just no.

I've seen one full alliance wipe to turtle and it still confuses me to this day.

How is that even possible lol I don't even

Far as atma goes: I ment I wish SE'd take off Apoc's non-stop rr effect>.> Im fine with everything else. It's just silly watching people zombie ***with it. lol

I just think NMs should rage far faster.

Fair enough, RR once but any more than that should seriously be risking a rage, or simply a depop.

Watching a group yesterday take... 30-45 mins on Guku and Sobek made me want to gouge my eyes out.

Spent like....3 days or so? Doing Sobek's for one of my ls members Sobek's, And doing CC to finish out GKT before merge and it's painful. :| JP group took 20min~? for 2 sobeks (each) Another NA group took close to 25minutes for one sobek because they kept trying to hold it for TH procs or something or trying to keep TP under control? idk ended up getting tusked like twice

Someone holding a t2 VNM yesterday was raging me too.

"Sorry waiting for a WHM to proc"

1 hour later, still holding it.

pick a new atma or play with people who don't use atmas tell me how easy abyssea is. no one is forcing you to use atmas and brews.

If people were as unhappy as they sound in this thread they would consider the above, but the truth is people will use Apoc atma just like I do, the difference is I'm not complaining about it. temp reraise scrolls are basically free now too people mad about that?

Sky, Sea, HNM, none of that took skill. Ive seen tons of stupid people with ebodies and dalmys back at 75 cap.

This was a terrible argument months ago and nothing has changed that. The tools given are part of the system and the difficulty of Abyssea should be evaluated as such. The option to remove them is an option for artificial difficulty, but it doesn't actually make Abyssea harder. Instead of "Abyssea", you're now engaging in and evaluating the difficulty of "Abyssea without X atmas".

Pretty much agree with that, even though it doesn't bother me.

It's like playing an FPS game and people telling you not to use an overpowered weapon if you hate it so much.

Really there is just 2 things for me the old FFXI had going for it that the new FFXI doesnt:

-Achievement factor
Which is rapidly diminishing thanks to relative ease of aquiring of top end equipment. Instead of being 5th in line for an item knowing full well you could attend the next 20 events and only 1 would drop, you can now pick up pretty much any equipment lvl76+ in a week, thus your af3+2 likely means nothing like what your first piece of homam or salvage body did.

-Endgame diversity
The best linkshells would be offering up 7+ different activities a week, all taking ~3hours to complete. Most people doing endgame probably did 3+ different events a week. These days its abyssea for 2-8+ hours or dynamis because of a lack of interest in what the other activities have to offer now plus not wanting to waste time on inferior equipment.

I think the problem is for most people old FFXI was too extreme in time commitment, where as others it was managable. Some people care about achieving things in-game that most can't be able/won't bother too while others just want to get on with some friends and demolish stuff for a new equip and it's the latter group SE seems to be targetting.

In my opinion, old ffxi being harder? That's relative to a person's experiance of it. Maybe people are forgetting;

-Back then if you didnt have a blm in your ls who could pull off 320/120 skill/int your ls was gonna suck for dmg on things that required nuking.

-Back then if you didn't have a DD with enough accuracy to even hit the mob, let alone do any decent dmg to it, you were going to find things difficult. I'm sure everyone remembers how often we saw players like that.

A lot of the times that leads to the mages running out of mp (probably because tanks didnt use pdt/mdt swaps either). It wasn't "hard" for the majority of LS pre-abyssea to find their members lacking the top end gear, that some considered easy to get or mandatory to enter a endgame ls, to find the game hard. Those who found it easy were those who had spent years learning game mechanics and building their gear sets and those who knew how to read wiki lol Old FFXI wasn't hard because of what was required to win but because of those who didn't make the right preperations to get the win.That still holds true today. (inb4 AV/PW who were designed to be "unbeatable challenges")

All people had to do when abyssea came out was buy cruor gear + join 18/18 alliances for the basic RR/VV/MM atmas and actually read wiki once the mechanics was found out. There's no excuse for failure anymore unless you've not done one of those 3 things.

in the past we had dif. event which was good thing in their own like dynamis for good macro gear or w/e, geting ls gilz, einheria for odin gear, sky for gods, limbus, jailer... many dif. event whjich was fun. Now only abyssea and some dyna but gilz only since u dont care about the gear anymore, so aby, aby, aby, aaaaand aby its so *** boring... for gear, as ppl said before af3 and emp. easy to get and the best with twilight gear, (hat, body) and easy tio get... se has to add 2 or 3 other events whcih good reward we can enjoy or else i must say die game is dead. for me ill take a break after this month since i dont c why i have to spent my money for a game where i only log for abyssea... since there isnt much other to do

"don't play with atma" is poor reasoning to continue playing a game that you wish had a higher difficulty. while some atma is obviously op, you could just say "don't play with gear." what really is the point then.

The biggest thing I saw at the beginning of abyssea was the advent of mobs that dropped hate. That was se's solution to difficulty, to make mobs run around and attack everything.

What I'd like to see is more mobs like fafhog, KB, tiamat. Not necessarily 21 hour windows, not stuff that have terribly OP abilities like AV. the kings were tough for a long time when they first came out, inventive strategy eventually fixed that. While you can argue that the mobs could be taken down lowman in gimp gear, they were also 4/5 years old at that point, strategy hadn't changed, and they still dropped the best gear in the game.

I'm sure if SE thought about it they could come up with appropriately level adjusted mobs, that required some strategy and dropped decent gear.

Gilgamesh.Tweeek said:

so much crying in this thread it's hilarious.. the fact that people liked ridiculously poor drop rates that required so much time consumption boggles my mind, take off your nostalgia glasses

Not so much the fact that, we miss piss poor drop rates or whatever, it's that old FFXI required skill (Or atleast more than it does now) Nothing in Abyssea is hard. Atma of Apoc prevents wipes from happening ever, not hard at all for casuals/gimps/idiots to get the best gear (Read: Gear doesn't fix stupid™) I'd LOVE for SE to due away with atmas (There's atma and ***inside new content) to bring back some level of skill to the game. :|
pick a new atma or play with people who don't use atmas tell me how easy abyssea is. no one is forcing you to use atmas and brews.

If people were as unhappy as they sound in this thread they would consider the above, but the truth is people will use Apoc atma just like I do, the difference is I'm not complaining about it. temp reraise scrolls are basically free now too people mad about that?




For a man Who kick one player in AByssea party to give a AF3 paladin feet to his friend , it's easy to talk...

Without Abyssea , Stupid players like you won't have chance to have Endgamegears

You're in my /blacklist cause i hate noobish like you coming with Abyssea add-on . Wow on fF XI wtf!


I really miss old time FFXI.

Abyssea kills the spirit of FF XI when good players were playing there jobs with respect and honor.


WOW in FF XI no thanks !!!!

Your gear is horrendous.

When the hell did you ever have to play 24/7 to get good gear? 2 hours a week on limbus, 6 hours a week if you did dyna generally, maybe a few hours here and there for farming sky/sea/znm? Sure drops werent always great, but its simply not true that only hardcore 24/7 players got good gear before abyssea. You can argue HNM but thats 90% afking lol.

You do realise XI has never been easier or hard than Wow?

Stop foaming.

Out with the casuals.

This again?

/facepalm.jpeg

lol jk, but really, some challenging group oriented fights pl0x.

agreed.


I MISS that :(

Some challenging group orientated fights for the first time ever would be cool (not saying this sarcastically, I would enjoy them... just there weren't any beyond NUMBERS).

Seriously? Again with this.. You really just don't seem to get it. Someone who got their w legs after the level cap.

Listen, fights like JOL, AV, PW, Einherjar, Bahamutv2 w/o zerg, Vrtra etc (there are more). These are group contented fights that were challenging. The older content was as well, later to be obsolete due to gear and using tested and true strategies. Back in the day things were just as challenging, Kirin, kings etc. After you spam something over and over using a strategy and perfecting it, yes it doesn't become a challenge anymore. Abyssea wasn't a challenge at all once you got atma, no strategy, just atma. MNK + WHM isn't a strategy in my book. Towards the beginning when people didn't know ***about it, maybe. After scars all bets were off, easy mode 24/7.

I honestly don't understand your "NUMBERS". You do realize how most MMO's function? What the hell is the perfect number to you. There are 19 jobs in this game, a group oriented fight should utilize a good combination of jobs to have a good strategy. Many fights in old XI DID this. I think you are just so interested in low man, its annoying. Abyssea was your time, now there needs to be something else.

I still think CoP missions were a bit close to my idea of decent balance. EX-item farming aside, of course.


Maat was hilarious too. For a short while, the limit break quests actually were slightly significant walls for some players. People leveling different jobs just to get around him? EXCELLENT.

TOSS MAAT v2.0 EVERYWHERE IN THE NEXT UPDATE.

THEN IF THEY OVERCOME MAAT, THEN A NEW CHALLENGE ARISES. DEFEAT HIM AND DEGENHARD IN A RIGGED 2v1 GAME OF RING TOSS.

pw ein bv2 vrtra were all zerg oriented events lol

bard rotation and drks and sams =/= challenging

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