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Newborn Baby found in Boston Alley
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By Siren.Maximillion 2010-09-21 12:55:05
Gilgamesh.Shayala said: Just to provide a different point of view here....
none of us know whether the mother was of legal age to have a baby, or whether she was mentally competent to understand what was happening to her. She could have been a 12 year old Downs Sydrome sufferer for all we know.
I will reserve judgement until facts are known.
Just to provide a different point of view here....
Seriously? Even if she isn't the legal age doesn't mean she can dump a baby in an alley. Seriously, what's with people always trying to justify something as inane and pathetic as this. Even people with down syndrome would be able to raise a child, just look at Stanflame and Flion.
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2010-09-21 12:55:53
Gilgamesh.Shayala said: Flionheart said: Gilgamesh.Shayala said: Just to provide a different point of view here.... none of us know whether the mother was of legal age to have a baby, or whether she was mentally competent to understand what was happening to her. She could have been a 12 year old Downs Sydrome sufferer for all we know. I will reserve judgement until facts are known. Then she should be put in a mental home, as clearly she can't function as a member of society. I don't want to get into an argument with you. I will tell you that I have a son who has Asperger's Syndrome and I find the 'put mentally disabled children into homes' attitude offensive.
I think he was suggesting that, if she does ***like this and doesn't know it's wrong and blah blah, then there is something wrong and she needs to be someplace where she can be taken care of.
By Flionheart 2010-09-21 12:57:41
Gilgamesh.Shayala said: Flionheart said: Gilgamesh.Shayala said: Just to provide a different point of view here.... none of us know whether the mother was of legal age to have a baby, or whether she was mentally competent to understand what was happening to her. She could have been a 12 year old Downs Sydrome sufferer for all we know. I will reserve judgement until facts are known. Then she should be put in a mental home, as clearly she can't function as a member of society.
I don't want to get into an argument with you. I will tell you that I have a son who has Asperger's Syndrome and I find the 'put mentally disabled children into homes' attitude offensive.
I find the whole "It's fine she dumped a baby in an alleyway because she has down syndrome" attitude offensive :/ I mean clearly if she's doing ***like that she's not fit to be among normal people. Not saying everyone with a mental handicap is the same, but come on.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Degeneration 2010-09-21 12:58:02
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: I've lost all hope in humanity... again. ^
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By Titan.Wombat 2010-09-21 13:03:20
Quote: Hours later, police said they found the boy's 18-year-old mother. Neighbors said she lived on the second floor.
"The reason as to why the child was abandoned or the child was left, we're still trying to determine that, so before we demonize anybody or point fingers, I think right now we want the investigation to kinda do its thing, and try to find out why this happened," said Officer James Kenneally of the Boston Police Department. Quote: Police also wanted to remind reminded people that they can bring a newborn (up to seven days old) to a hospital, fire station, or police station under the Massachusetts Baby Safe Haven Law.
From: http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/12002273692799/newborn-baby-found-abandoned-in-boston/
So, she lived on the second floor of the building the baby was left next to.
Edit: And she's 18.
Edit 2: lol at "remind reminded people"
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By Siren.Maximillion 2010-09-21 13:03:30
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: So where are the people that will come in and say this isn't worse than throwing puppies in a river?
I know some of y'all are lurking; don't be shy lol.
lol, the puppies thread had literally everyone from all servers posting on it and going crazy over it. Who gives a ***about a human baby, right?
Lakshmi.Galvaya
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By Lakshmi.Galvaya 2010-09-21 13:03:57
Ummm. Nobody has said this yet.... If .....
She is preggers
Has downs, or something else.
Lives in boston(large city, not the safest.)
WTF was she doing in an alley by herself.
She is prolly teen at the most.
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By Gilgamesh.Shayala 2010-09-21 13:17:52
Asura.Bartimaeus said: I was going to be more or less confused why someone MIGHT reserve judgement on something like this until they had "all the facts", but Shay has a unique perspective within the point she is trying to make. I'm sure either way she thinks it's a horrible thing, just not something that MIGHT be as simple as it seems. (/dump and run or whatever) Edit: My own opinion is that it probably is just a *** up person doing a *** up act, and it's terrible and I wish the worst type of pain on the person. All I'm saying is I can see her point.
I agree it is probably a *** up person doing a *** up act. I have gotten all angry about stuff like this before (and still do) but on one occasion the person dumping the baby was underage and had been raped by her father. She carried the baby to term with nobody noticing, gave birth in her bathroom and then panicked and dumped the baby because she knew her father would probably harm the baby and her.
I tend to wait for the facts nowadays before assembling an angry mob >.>
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-21 20:13:01
whatever happened to natural instinct... it's to protect ones child, this woman regardless of age and mental stability, how the *** can you toss an innocent fragile child?
after having mine, I don't care of the situation I will hold on to it.
:/
This is just crazy, why not leave the baby in the hospital? that's legal thing to do. geez... at least the baby is fine.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-21 20:14:07
Gilgamesh.Shayala said: Asura.Bartimaeus said: I was going to be more or less confused why someone MIGHT reserve judgement on something like this until they had "all the facts", but Shay has a unique perspective within the point she is trying to make. I'm sure either way she thinks it's a horrible thing, just not something that MIGHT be as simple as it seems. (/dump and run or whatever) Edit: My own opinion is that it probably is just a *** up person doing a *** up act, and it's terrible and I wish the worst type of pain on the person. All I'm saying is I can see her point.
I agree it is probably a *** up person doing a *** up act. I have gotten all angry about stuff like this before (and still do) but on one occasion the person dumping the baby was underage and had been raped by her father. She carried the baby to term with nobody noticing, gave birth in her bathroom and then panicked and dumped the baby because she knew her father would probably harm the baby and her.
I tend to wait for the facts nowadays before assembling an angry mob >.>
no excuse to dump a baby, can always give it to someone who can take care of it.
it's hearless to do this, regardless of the situation, get it on your head. or maybe you are a ton of worst than HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE yourself that you can't understand that?
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By Caitsith.Judaine 2010-09-21 20:31:11
Even if I were given a baby and was told I could either take care of it till it was 18 and moved out of the house and have to sacrifice my social life and basically my life at school, or dump it in an alley and never see it again, I'd STILL take that baby.
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-09-21 20:35:17
I don't know how long postpartum depression takes to kick in (not that I believe in that cop out), but I hear you can do pretty messed up things.
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By Fenrir.Shallow 2010-09-21 20:55:38
Baby: Yet so many couples cannot have a baby and look to adoption of a child. A new born child would have immediately been adopted right off the back.
Person who dumped the baby: However its hard to say what was going through this person's mind at the time. No one can ever remain calm in a critical situation. Most people do in fact, panic. Panic leads to confusions... confusion to stupid choices. Its no excuse, I'm just trying to give people here some inside look at what this person might have been thinking.
Alternative: Could have been a boyfriend or some such as well. There are a lot of sick *** out in the world. Had someone in a link shell before who told us that if his girlfriend ever came home with news that she was pregnant, he would have a rusty coat hanger waiting for her. (Needless to say I left that ls)
Phoenix.Darki
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-21 20:58:22
ugh men lack every bit of instinct at being parents, they will never live up to a woman's maternal instinct.
if men carried babies, humanity would be over.
still... who on their right mind does this?
do you know the feeling of looking into an innocent humans eyes? I just don't see how can a woman do this :/ i can't really.
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By Fenrir.Shallow 2010-09-21 20:59:59
Phoenix.Darki said: ugh men lack every bit of instinct at being parents, they will never live up to a woman's maternal instinct.
if men carried babies, humanity would be over.
still... who on their right mind does this?
do you know the feeling of looking into an innocent humans eyes? I just don't see how can a woman do this :/ i can't really. ***.. if I got a girl pregnant, I'd stop playing FFXI and get my *** a job to support her!!! I would also probably read books, watch dvds, classes, etc. to learn how to take care of the child. ><
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-09-21 21:01:33
Phoenix.Darki said: ugh men lack every bit of instinct at being parents, they will never live up to a woman's maternal instinct.
if men carried babies, humanity would be over.
still... who on their right mind does this?
do you know the feeling of looking into an innocent humans eyes? I just don't see how can a woman do this :/ i can't really.
Not all men. I generally think the maternal instinct is stronger, but I've met more than my share of women who just shouldn't be mothers.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-21 21:02:25
Phoenix.Darki said: ugh men lack every bit of instinct at being parents, they will never live up to a woman's maternal instinct. if men carried babies, humanity would be over. still... who on their right mind does this? do you know the feeling of looking into an innocent humans eyes? I just don't see how can a woman do this :/ i can't really. If women had to support babies I'd give us 3 weeks
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2010-09-21 21:03:02
Phoenix.Darki said: ugh men lack every bit of instinct at being parents, they will never live up to a woman's maternal instinct.
if men carried babies, humanity would be over.
still... who on their right mind does this?
do you know the feeling of looking into an innocent humans eyes? I just don't see how can a woman do this :/ i can't really. men were not built for nurture, we were built for war. That's why women came about to make sure there are more men in the world for more war.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-09-21 21:03:27
Phoenix.Darki said: ugh men lack every bit of instinct at being parents
if men carried babies, humanity would be over.
Remember when we had the philosophy "Slave, fetch me water and woman get back in the kitchen" and everyone said that that was racist and sexist?
Same ***that you just did.
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-09-21 21:03:35
I'd bet a good 50%, if not more of the time, it's the grandparents doing the raising these days.
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By Odin.Liela 2010-09-21 21:04:05
Phoenix.Darki said: ugh men lack every bit of instinct at being parents, they will never live up to a woman's maternal instinct.
if men carried babies, humanity would be over.
still... who on their right mind does this?
do you know the feeling of looking into an innocent humans eyes? I just don't see how can a woman do this :/ i can't really.
Not so much true on the men part. I've known several men who were very good with children and loved them. I also lived with my father when my parents divorced, and while I loved my mom, my dad took much better care of my siblings and I than my mom could have/would have.
I do hope whoever left the child to die is punished in the most severe way possible, though. It would take a horrible, murderous monster to do such a thing.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-21 21:04:12
Ramuh.Dasva said: Phoenix.Darki said: ugh men lack every bit of instinct at being parents, they will never live up to a woman's maternal instinct. if men carried babies, humanity would be over. still... who on their right mind does this? do you know the feeling of looking into an innocent humans eyes? I just don't see how can a woman do this :/ i can't really. If women had to support babies I'd give us 3 weeks what the *** are you talking about?
women can support babies on their own just fine, men only work now days as sperm donors for the most part.
Fairy.Spence said: Phoenix.Darki said: ugh men lack every bit of instinct at being parents, they will never live up to a woman's maternal instinct.
if men carried babies, humanity would be over.
still... who on their right mind does this?
do you know the feeling of looking into an innocent humans eyes? I just don't see how can a woman do this :/ i can't really.
Not all men. I generally think the maternal instinct is stronger, but I've met more than my share of women who just shouldn't be mothers.
just saying most men
some men just fall in love with their babies when they see it and get working more and harder, take what shallow said for example lol
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-21 21:05:44
Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: Phoenix.Darki said: ugh men lack every bit of instinct at being parents
if men carried babies, humanity would be over.
Remember when we had the philosophy "Slave, fetch me water and woman get back in the kitchen" and everyone said that that was racist and sexist?
Same ***that you just did. its still true lol Odin.Liela said: Phoenix.Darki said: ugh men lack every bit of instinct at being parents, they will never live up to a woman's maternal instinct.
if men carried babies, humanity would be over.
still... who on their right mind does this?
do you know the feeling of looking into an innocent humans eyes? I just don't see how can a woman do this :/ i can't really.
Not so much true on the men part. I've known several men who were very good with children and loved them. I also lived with my father when my parents divorced, and while I loved my mom, my dad took much better care of my siblings and I than my mom could have/would have.
I do hope whoever left the child to die is punished in the most severe way possible, though. It would take a horrible, murderous monster to do such a thing. i think its safe to assume the person that left the baby has had enough punishment and is *** mentaly enough by life.
and most men lack a lot of parent instinct...
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-21 21:05:52
Phoenix.Darki said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Phoenix.Darki said: ugh men lack every bit of instinct at being parents, they will never live up to a woman's maternal instinct. if men carried babies, humanity would be over. still... who on their right mind does this? do you know the feeling of looking into an innocent humans eyes? I just don't see how can a woman do this :/ i can't really. If women had to support babies I'd give us 3 weeks what the *** are you talking about? women can support babies on their own just fine, men only work now days as sperm donors for the most part. Wtf are you talking about. Men can raise babies just fine on their own. Women only work now days as an incubator and stay at home home mom for the the most part.
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By Asura.Daleterrence 2010-09-21 21:06:18
Phoenix.Darki said: and most men lack a lot of parent instinct...
No, just men you know.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-09-21 21:06:58
Phoenix.Darki said: Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra said: Phoenix.Darki said: ugh men lack every bit of instinct at being parents
if men carried babies, humanity would be over.
Remember when we had the philosophy "Slave, fetch me water and woman get back in the kitchen" and everyone said that that was racist and sexist?
Same ***that you just did. its still true lol
So black people are less evolved and women are the inferior sex.
Got it.
Phoenix.Darki
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-09-21 21:07:23
Ramuh.Dasva said: Phoenix.Darki said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Phoenix.Darki said: ugh men lack every bit of instinct at being parents, they will never live up to a woman's maternal instinct. if men carried babies, humanity would be over. still... who on their right mind does this? do you know the feeling of looking into an innocent humans eyes? I just don't see how can a woman do this :/ i can't really. If women had to support babies I'd give us 3 weeks what the *** are you talking about? women can support babies on their own just fine, men only work now days as sperm donors for the most part. Wtf are you talking about. Men can raise babies just fine on their own. Women only work now days as an incubator and stay at home home mom for the the most part.
lol most women i know do all the work with the babies, stop putting men in a pedestal, because it's not true.
Fairy.Spence said: I'd bet a good 50%, if not more of the time, it's the grandparents doing the raising these days.
for kids having kids duh.
Asura.Daleterrence said: Phoenix.Darki said: and most men lack a lot of parent instinct...
No, just men you know.
MUST BE MOST THEN
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-21 21:07:30
Phoenix.Darki said: and most men lack a lot of parent instinct... And most women lack anythign resembling a work ethic and think it's perfectly fine for others to completely support them. I can point out a few in the forums
What the hell is wrong with people, I could have sworn Boston had a safe baby program. When they find this women, this should be attempted murder, didn't even cut the umbilical cord. Its hard to think stuff like this can even happen in this world, hard to ignore...
http://www.necn.com/09/21/10/Shocking-discovery-Newborn-baby-found-in/landing_newengland.html?blockID=315043&feedID=4206
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