How is sending me to a humane slaughter information site tell me what actually is happening on said farms. You make it sound like you have intimate knowledge that every farm other than the one depicted treat the animals humanly. Which you haven't done.
I can send you to a page that tells how to give the perfect ***, certainly doesn't mean everyone is practicing said techniques.
Because "Humane Slaughter Information Sites" aren't biased?
/sarcasm.
If you demand PETA-only information, you will find that they are very one-sided when it comes to meat and methods of killing for the survival of mankind.
Listen, I'm going to level with you, I think you're partially HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. I never asked for that, I asked what information he had that these practices don't go on at every factory farm, he then pointed me to that, which I then replied to.
But you are assuming that (by your previous posts) since this one farm does XXX type of slaughters, they all must be doing the same thing.
You are assuming the worst. Farmers don't go around beating dying turkeys with an iron pole, that is what shotguns are for.
I bet some of you concerned mofos are sitting infront of your computer eating a juicy steak that was beaten to death. Yes. That steak, dont eat it, be a veggo and stfu.
How is sending me to a humane slaughter information site tell me what actually is happening on said farms. You make it sound like you have intimate knowledge that every farm other than the one depicted treat the animals humanly. Which you haven't done.
I can send you to a page that tells how to give the perfect ***, certainly doesn't mean everyone is practicing said techniques.
Because "Humane Slaughter Information Sites" aren't biased?
/sarcasm.
If you demand PETA-only information, you will find that they are very one-sided when it comes to meat and methods of killing for the survival of mankind.
Which is why I linked you to a government site and a scientific publication. Except you didn't acknowledge that information either, and insisted you were right despite evidence to the contrary. ¬.¬
All i got to say is *** PETA for that animal cruelty bull.
No one cares what happens to food when it gets to your plate. If you really Wanna avoid the Chain food ***stop eating at McDonalds and KFC, buy a farm raised chicken support your local Farmers markets and stop whining about corporate supply and demand. The only animal cruelty is depriving your body of what it needs. and Humans need Meat. We're carnivores by nature.
But you are assuming that (by your previous posts) since this one farm does XXX type of slaughters, they all must be doing the same thing.
You are assuming the worst. Farmers don't go around beating dying turkeys with an iron pole, that is what shotguns are for.
You're assuming that is the worst, I'm assuming that's what I've seen and read. I certainly hope it doesn't get much worse.
It doesn't. What you seen was the worst anyone can do, and what I can see, I still say that there is a bigger chance that the whole video was staged (the employees beating the animals were in fact PETA people, but that is what I think, I have no way of proving it unless I go to the employee's house and take a picture of them with a PETA shirt on).
It is not logical for anyone to beat an animal to death, it makes the meat harder to debone, it makes the business look bad, and if the meat is mishapped, then it makes the consumer not buy it. Plus, there is already machines to decapitate the animal, that is what it was bought for, and it is not hard to use.
It is also not logical to split the meat open while the animal is alive, because you still have to drain all of the blood out, and the insides of an animal stinks. If you split the meat while the animal is alive, it is just going to thrash around and create a huge mess which you would have to clean up, and who would want to go through that much hassle? Plus the smell really is that bad, and it takes longer to drain the blood out if the animal is thrashing out of control, and you really don't want to create that much trouble for yourself.
That is why I'm saying that farms don't do that, nor slaughterhouses. Its too much trouble, the methods shown, in killing an animal.
How is sending me to a humane slaughter information site tell me what actually is happening on said farms. You make it sound like you have intimate knowledge that every farm other than the one depicted treat the animals humanly. Which you haven't done.
I can send you to a page that tells how to give the perfect ***, certainly doesn't mean everyone is practicing said techniques.
Because "Humane Slaughter Information Sites" aren't biased?
/sarcasm.
If you demand PETA-only information, you will find that they are very one-sided when it comes to meat and methods of killing for the survival of mankind.
Which is why I linked you to a government site and a scientific publication. Except you didn't acknowledge that information either, and insisted you were right despite evidence to the contrary. ¬.¬
I didn't say it was impossible for a vegan to live, I'm saying that it is a lot of effort and money into doing so, plus that vegans would have to eat more food to get the daily needs that a meat eater gets daily.
I never discounted your sources either, in fact, I used them for my counterargument.
All i got to say is *** PETA for that animal cruelty bull. No one cares what happens to food when it gets to your plate. If you really Wanna avoid the Chain food ***stop eating at McDonalds and KFC, buy a farm raised chicken support your local Farmers markets and stop whining about corporate supply and demand. The only animal cruelty is depriving your body of what it needs. and Humans need Meat. We're carnivores by nature.
Animals die horribly in the wild and in captivity, the notion of humans-bad, animals-good is a little old. x.x We live in an imperfect world, if your goal is perfection, you will die disappointed. /endrant I suppose.
I'm not sure who is making any argument about humans being bad, and animals being good
I just to work at a slaughter house, now i work where they come dead already and just get process. The way pigs get slughter is with an electrical rod straight to the head, this pretty much knocks them out cold. Then they get cut in the throat and hanged so they can bleed out. to beat an animal is foolish since then you lower the quality of the meat,and trust me companies pay more for better quality.
Animals die horribly in the wild and in captivity, the notion of humans-bad, animals-good is a little old. x.x We live in an imperfect world, if your goal is perfection, you will die disappointed. /endrant I suppose.
I'm not sure who is making any argument about humans being bad, and animals being good
Gandhi I guess. :3
I don't know if breaking anything Gandhi down to black and white, good/bad situations is a good idea. His message was a bit more complicated than that. The quote is actually a decent example of that.
Again, I don't know why people insist on taking this debate outside its purpose.
No one (here) is saying eating meat is bad, or bad for you.
However, this is a discussion about how farm animals are treated and cared for prior to slaughter.
And it's a worthwhile discussion, and one that you should pay attention to ... especially if you enjoy eating meat.
The type of food the animals receive, the amount of activity/exercise they get, the condition of their living space ... all these things directly impact the quality and condition of the meat on your plate.
So, before you say "*** animal cruelty, give me my steak", realize that no one is trying to deprive you of meat by standing up for animal rights ... they are trying to ensure that the animal's basic needs are met, and therefore ensuring the healthiness of the meat you wish to consume.
Again, I don't know why people insist on taking this debate outside its purpose.
No one (here) is saying eating meat is bad, or bad for you.
However, this is a discussion about how farm animals are treated and cared for prior to slaughter.
And it's a worthwhile discussion, and one that you should pay attention to ... especially if you enjoy eating meat.
The type of food the animals receive, the amount of activity/exercise they get, the condition of their living space ... all these things directly impact the quality and condition of the meat on your plate.
So, before you say "*** animal cruelty, give me my steak", realize that no one is trying to deprive you of meat by standing up for animal rights ... they are trying to ensure that the animal's basic needs are met, and therefore ensuring the healthiness of the meat you wish to consume.
That is the problem.
They take the worst of the worst out of context and scream out "THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE IN ALL FARMS AND SLAUGHTERHOUSES, DON'T EAT MEAT AT ALL AND SAVE THE LITTLE PIGGIES FROM THIS!!!!"
They use PETA's video as proof, but we all (should) know that PETA's goal is to make everyone vegans. Hell, if you actually watch the first 15 seconds of their video, that is exactly what they said.
I still stand by my theory that the video was staged, because of the reasons I stated previously. Nobody has disputed it, so my theory stands.
Again, I don't know why people insist on taking this debate outside its purpose.
No one (here) is saying eating meat is bad, or bad for you.
However, this is a discussion about how farm animals are treated and cared for prior to slaughter.
And it's a worthwhile discussion, and one that you should pay attention to ... especially if you enjoy eating meat.
The type of food the animals receive, the amount of activity/exercise they get, the condition of their living space ... all these things directly impact the quality and condition of the meat on your plate.
So, before you say "*** animal cruelty, give me my steak", realize that no one is trying to deprive you of meat by standing up for animal rights ... they are trying to ensure that the animal's basic needs are met, and therefore ensuring the healthiness of the meat you wish to consume.
well said.
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They pick the worst of the worst for these videos. The reality is that most places aren't this cruel. this is just a scare-video to try and get people to one side of the argument. It may be cruelty, but just because 1 or 2 places ( that have probably been shut down) do it, doesn't mean they all do it.
It's no surprise the most extreme and rare footage is used to shock others to help bring others to their own ends, but frankly it's like Penn and Teller said:
It's not an ethical matter as there is virtually no difference in the manner of location or form of death, but rather an aesthetic one. If you don't like what you see, don't eat it.
I bet some of you concerned mofos are sitting infront of your computer eating a juicy steak that was beaten to death. Yes. That steak, dont eat it, be a veggo and stfu.
If the folks at PETA had their way, entire industries worth billions would collapse. Put millions of people from multiple industries (including Mom and Pop farms and restaurants) out of jobs. But where does it stop? The worms underneath the soil where the plants grow like someone else said?
Yes it is hard to deny that such cruelty exists, but it is unfortunately a necessary evil.
