Is Evasion+ Gear Worthless??

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Is Evasion+ gear worthless??
 Bahamut.Aeronis
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-07-16 12:34:21
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So I was talking with a Ninja today, we were on the subject of solo, because I was giving Ancient Goobbue a go on DNC. From what he was telling me, Evasion+ gear is only useful when your evasion skill isn't capped, and Evasion Skill+ maximizes the chance of evading. Is this true? If someone could clear things up, that would help me out tremendously.
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By Raldo 2010-07-16 12:48:26
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No, evasion gear still boosts your evasion even if your evasion skill is capped.

Evasion skill+ and evasion+ boost your evasion by roughly the same amount.

I don't dwell on numbers, but I think the consensus is that it's roughly -1% hit rate for every +2 evasion or evasion skill you add.

I defer to anyone else with more knowledge on the subject, but I think that's the gist of the last thread that popped up related to this.
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By Carbuncle.Shadowwind 2010-07-16 13:10:14
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Hit Rate = 75% + (Accuracy - Evasion)*0.5% + (Attacker's Level - Defender's Level)*2%

use it, love it. Just know hit rate can't drop below 20% for anyone, including the mob. So if you use that formula and start getting some numbers below 20%, then know you can take off gear and supplement something else.

EDIT: Still prioritize haste mostly though where you can.
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By Lakshmi.Hypnotizd 2010-07-16 13:19:57
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I actually took some time and went to the tree to test the effects of +10 eva vs +10 eva skill. These are the results of my findings with over 1000 attack rounds under no evasion, +10 evasion and then +10 evasion skill.

No evasion: 22.48% Evade rate
+10 evasion: 29.71% Evade rate
+10 evasion skill: 27.49% Evade rate

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By Unicorn.Nymphadora 2010-07-16 13:20:36
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Having more evasion skill still gives you room to play around and substitute gear with other useful stats. Would depend on the mob's acc and whatnot too, I'd imagine.
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By Stefo 2010-07-16 13:32:35
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Difference between Evasion skill+ and evasion+ works like this:
Evasion skill is compared to the targets attack skill. like in PvP if a THF and WAR were sparring, the evasion skill would be compared to the opponent's Great axe for example.
So it is likely that an EM+ would generally have close to the approx.skill cap to compare to your skill cap.
Evasion+ is compared to the target's accuracy+... just like you would equip more acc+ when fighting a target with high evasion.
Basically everything has a yin and yang so to speak:
DEX vs. AGI
VIT vs. STR
Attack vs. defense
accuracy vs. evasion etc., etc...
These are generally how things work in a nutshell with exceptions to the rule obviously. Such as:
the Behemoth NM you pop for FoV elite training in Behemoth's Dominion has IMMACULATE accuracy and ridiculous Triple attack rate. So even a THF with 300+ evasion skill and evasion+ gear on will still get pummeled.
When you fight Charybdis in another example, you would want to tank on THF or NIN with as much Evasion Skill+ and then pile on as much evasion and subtle blow+ as you can after that and simply whittle away at it til its dead.
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