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Gear Swaps and /wait 1 ?
Phoenix.Kailynn
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By Phoenix.Kailynn 2010-06-23 09:19:03
I have a macro question.
When you're doing gear swaps do you have to put a /wait 1 between whatever it is you're doing.
E.g. my Thunder 4 macro looks like this
/equip main "Jupiter's Staff"
/equip ...
/wait 1
/ma "Thunder IV" <t>
Is the wait 1 necessary?
I ask this because as I've been reading the forums, I see a lot of ppl have been talking about swapping in Loq. earring before ichi/ni casting. And I think to myself when I'm casting shadows on NIN I don't want to have to /wait 1 while waiting for Loq. earring to load before casting shadows. When I want shadows I want them now!
What's the deal here?
Cerberus.Lilla
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By Cerberus.Lilla 2010-06-23 09:22:39
i use:
/ma "Thunder IV" <t>
/equip main "Jupiter's Staff"
i have a nuke gear macro I use before nuke spell
I believe as long as you get all gear swapped before casting is done, effects work, hence, the /wait 1 not needed.
i use wait one for flee
/equip feet "Thf af"
/wait 1
/ja "Flee"
i added it after i noticed sometime effect didn't work
Phoenix.Kailynn
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By Phoenix.Kailynn 2010-06-23 09:33:36
Yeah the /ja are why I always used a /wait 1. Thought I needed it to take effect for gear changes too; hence, the question today...
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By Shiva.Chaosgod 2010-06-23 09:36:55
For spells i dont use the /wait, because by the time the spell casts, your gear will be changed
I just use
/ma "spell" <t>
/equip "?"
/equip "?"
Cerberus.Lilla
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By Cerberus.Lilla 2010-06-23 09:43:22
i use spell first, well on 90% since spell won't go off that fast, i have equipment macros without any waits in them, so change gear instant, hit spell macro, i like using spell first expespecially on some high tier spells, the extra 2 seconds can be a life or death situation.
Phoenix.Kailynn
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By Phoenix.Kailynn 2010-06-23 09:46:53
Well that's good to know for my BLM nukes. What about for trying to get Cast Time (as opposed to Recast Time) down using Loquacious Earring for example while casting shadows?
If you equip after starting ichi/ni does the casting speed up?
Cerberus.Lilla
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By Cerberus.Lilla 2010-06-23 09:50:51
well, i never experimented gear with shadows yet, {Yes, lazy thf}, if anything, i use my haste gear macro for shadows, most i really ever do are Goobbues in tree, CON T and never had issues getting shadows up, I don't have Loq earring, if i get desperate to get shadows up, i hit eva gear macro and hope for the best, usually works, wish i knew more to help your question >.<
My safe assumption would be you need it equipped first for effects, but i am guessing.
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By Odin.Blazza 2010-06-23 09:56:01
I'm actually not sure of this answer myself. I have loq. in my utsu macros, but whether or not it procs for casting speed I don't know. However, like you say, there's no point waiting one second to be sure it procs, when it's not going to shorten your cast time by close to that amount. The main point of fast cast gear is to cast things faster, so waiting longer before starting the cast is counter-productive. I'm pretty sure that sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, which I notice a lot more on rdm thanks to 3 fast cast pieces. I wish I knew how to be sure they proc'd every time :/
As for equipping stat gear for nukes, and using fast cast gear for RECAST though, it really doesn't matter, because you only have to be wearing the gear by the END of the spell. Even the fastest casting spell, your equipment swap will have registered by the time it's done casting, even if some animation has stopped you from blinking yet.
Cerberus.Lilla
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By Cerberus.Lilla 2010-06-23 10:02:45
There is one way to find out, you may get lucky, ask a GM, they not supposed to help, but a few moons ago, was curious on how thf TH effects drops, GM told me all thf has to do it hit mob once, and TH effects are added. Got tired of hearing thf has to hit first or last blah blah blah. You might get lucky and find a GM that is willing to give you the answer.
Siren.Kytio
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By Siren.Kytio 2010-06-23 10:08:12
Fast cast is done before the spell is started so adding fast cast gear AFTER the /ma spell <t> will only reduce the recast time and not the casting time.
Oh, and you can only do /wait from 1 up to 60. Using windower scripts you can do .1 though which is quite useful.
Asura.Tygon
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By Asura.Tygon 2010-06-23 10:12:32
Maybe I missed something. Why would you
/ma "spell" <t>
/equip "?"
/equip "?"
Why wouldnt you equip the gear and then nuke?
/equip "¿"
/equip "¿"
/wait 1
/ma "pwnaga III" <t>
Cerberus.Lilla
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By Cerberus.Lilla 2010-06-23 10:16:26
as long as the gear is equipped before spell goes off, gear effects are added, so when you have a 20 second spell timer, i use spell first to get a jump on it going off. Very helpful on BLM if you are soloing, the few seconds can make a difference.
Cerberus.Lilla
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By Cerberus.Lilla 2010-06-23 10:22:30
Asura.Tygon said: Maybe I missed something. Why would you
/ma "spell" <t>
/equip "?"
/equip "?"
Why wouldnt you equip the gear and then nuke?
/equip "¿"
/equip "¿"
/wait 1
/ma "pwnaga III" <t>
So lets say @ 18:00 you hit your:
/equip " "
/equip " "
/wait 1
/ma "whatever"
20 second cast timer, that means at approx 18:12 spell goes off.
same secenrio
/ma "spell"
/equip "whatever"
/equip "whatever"
you can hit as many gear macros as you want till spell goes off, which will be @ approx. 18:10
Asura.Tygon
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By Asura.Tygon 2010-06-23 10:31:11
ahh ok I c now. Thx for clearing that uop for meh
Cerberus.Lilla
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By Cerberus.Lilla 2010-06-23 10:37:42
Asura.Tygon said: ahh ok I c now. Thx for clearing that uop for meh your welcome, I should have just said get spell off faster lol
Siren.Stunx
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By Siren.Stunx 2010-06-23 10:42:48
Cerberus.Lilla said: i use: /ma "Thunder IV" <t> /equip main "Jupiter's Staff" i have a nuke gear macro I use before nuke spell I believe as long as you get all gear swapped before casting is done, effects work, hence, the /wait 1 not needed. i use wait one for flee /equip feet "Thf af" /wait 1 /ja "Flee" i added it after i noticed sometime effect didn't work
i have /equip af feet > flee with no wait and get the 45 secs.
as well as ws gear > ws, no wait
Cerberus.Lilla
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By Cerberus.Lilla 2010-06-23 10:45:26
Siren.Stunx said: Cerberus.Lilla said: i use: /ma "Thunder IV" <t> /equip main "Jupiter's Staff" i have a nuke gear macro I use before nuke spell I believe as long as you get all gear swapped before casting is done, effects work, hence, the /wait 1 not needed. i use wait one for flee /equip feet "Thf af" /wait 1 /ja "Flee" i added it after i noticed sometime effect didn't work
i have /equip af feet > flee with no wait and get the 45 secs.
as well as ws gear > ws, no wait
i am sure i have missed the time extension, i made the macros ages ago, i'll have to change it and remove the wait, maybe when i made it, it was a goofy glitch at the time, thanx!
I have a macro question.
When you're doing gear swaps do you have to put a /wait 1 between whatever it is you're doing.
E.g. my Thunder 4 macro looks like this
/equip main "Jupiter's Staff"
/equip ...
/wait 1
/ma "Thunder IV" <t>
Is the wait 1 necessary?
I ask this because as I've been reading the forums, I see a lot of ppl have been talking about swapping in Loq. earring before ichi/ni casting. And I think to myself when I'm casting shadows on NIN I don't want to have to /wait 1 while waiting for Loq. earring to load before casting shadows. When I want shadows I want them now!
What's the deal here?
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